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fuzzybabybunny

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Wow thanks! I might just take you up on the offer to ask you more questions! I'll definitely look into if there are UTD or GUE classes around here. Vancouver isn't the diving mecca of the world but we have lots of divers here so I would be surprised if there weren't such courses here.

Please ask questions and read a lot. Scubaboard is awesome.

Scuba is something that can seriously fuck you over if you're not knowledgeable and well-practiced and trained. I had a friend die from scuba this year and numerous other people died in the Monterey area this year from diving.
 

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I didn't realize there could be such a difference. As I pointed out above, we spent a LOT of time in the pool, simply working on things that you seem to have pointed out, especially buoyancy control. As far as burning through a tank, the teenagers tended to do that regardless of how much the instructor tried to convince them to slow down - the best point being, "you're going to be out of air and in the boat 20 minutes before everyone else."

It's interesting to look back on it though - a lot of the skills were through imitation; not specific verbal instructions, although at the surface, people would ask a lot of questions. Texashiker mentioned that in their open water test, they had to take their masks off and take the regulator out of their mouth? Hell, during pool time, we were leaving most of our equipment on the floor of the deep end, including mask, swimming down (only 12 feet in the pool), and putting it all on. We had to clear our masks dozens of times. We had to have our eyes closed with the regulator out of our mouths and have our dive partner position it somewhere floating behind us - and we had to find it with our eyes closed. Having to clear a mask during the open water dive didn't result in people gagging - the trivial things we had to do during the open water test left many of us thinking "that's it? That's all we had to do during the open water test?"
Mine was a PADI class. The instructor really knew his shit and had been diving for decades. I think he took it very personally as his responsibility that we weren't going to injure ourselves after leaving his class.
 
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Spg1

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I would say to go through Naui or Padi then look into GUE/UTD if you are going to travel. Naui and Padi are more known the world over right now, so there are less potential issues with people recognizing your cert card.

At first I was looking for a short class and to just get into the water. I am glad I ended up with a Naui class that took about a month. It was 1 night of classroom, 1 night of pool and 1 weekend morning of ocean (1 or 2 dives) per week. Some classes are just worth the extra time.

Take your time and visit all the shops around and meet the instructors and talk to them about the class. Go to http://www.scubaboard.com and take a look around there are tons of threads and forums on lots of different subjects.

Then after your class I would look into a primer or fundamentals class with GUE/UTD or another tech agency. That can start getting pricey though. So just go dive and have some fun and if you want to go further in diving there are plenty of opportunities out there to do it.

Also try different BC's (and other equipment) during your class to see which type you like better (jacket/back inflate). I liked the back inflate but eventually moved to a back plate and wing.
 

BoomerD

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PADI...Pay And Dive In...

I know people who have gotten their certs from both PADI and NAUI. None really have any complaints. It's more the quality of the instructors than anything else.

Locut0s, while you were in Belize, or even in Vancouver, you should try the PADI introductory course to see if you really want to make the investment of time and money into SCUBA.

http://www.padi.com/scuba/scuba-diving-guide/start-scuba-diving/try-scuba-diving/default.aspx

It'd be more enjoyable to do in tropical waters than in the icy waters of the PNW though...Might be time for a week or two in Hawaii...if you like what you do in the introductory dive...you can quickly get certified while in Hawaii...IIRC, 3-4 days gets you your basic certs.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I didn't realize there could be such a difference. As I pointed out above, we spent a LOT of time in the pool, simply working on things that you seem to have pointed out, especially buoyancy control. As far as burning through a tank, the teenagers tended to do that regardless of how much the instructor tried to convince them to slow down - the best point being, "you're going to be out of air and in the boat 20 minutes before everyone else."

It's interesting to look back on it though - a lot of the skills were through imitation; not specific verbal instructions, although at the surface, people would ask a lot of questions. Texashiker mentioned that in their open water test, they had to take their masks off and take the regulator out of their mouth? Hell, during pool time, we were leaving most of our equipment on the floor of the deep end, including mask, swimming down (only 12 feet in the pool), and putting it all on. We had to clear our masks dozens of times. We had to have our eyes closed with the regulator out of our mouths and have our dive partner position it somewhere floating behind us - and we had to find it with our eyes closed. Having to clear a mask during the open water dive didn't result in people gagging - the trivial things we had to do during the open water test left many of us thinking "that's it? That's all we had to do during the open water test?"
Mine was a PADI class. The instructor really knew his shit and had been diving for decades. I think he took it very personally as his responsibility that we weren't going to injure ourselves after leaving his class.

Ya this sounds closer to my experience as well. I was certified through NAUI probably back in 1995. It's funny about the tank burn... I was probably 13 when I was certified and 15 when I really started diving with great frequency. My dad and I always lasted 20 minutes longer than everyone else. Always the last ones up on the boat and greeted with cold stares.

If you're diving in Vancouver you should probably consider dry suit training. Shit's cold!

Get a DAN membership.
 

Spg1

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It'd be more enjoyable to do in tropical waters than in the icy waters of the PNW though...Might be time for a week or two in Hawaii...if you like what you do in the introductory dive...you can quickly get certified while in Hawaii...IIRC, 3-4 days gets you your basic certs.

I agree it would be more enjoyable to get certified in a warm water location. But if you are planning to dive locally (where you live) I would take the class at home. Just about anybody can fall off a boat with 80°F water and 80' visibility and be lead around by a divemaster with no problems.

But when you get back home and the water is 50-55°F and the visibility is around 5-10', you are wearing a 7mm wetsuit with a ton of weight and your divemaster does not get in the water with you it will be a very different experience. Or you are doing shore dives and you were never really taught how to get through 3 foot surf.

Not impossible to do. But much easier to get certified at a more difficult location and then vacation dive with great conditions. I leave Friday for my dive vacation in nice warm water for 7 days. But my other 60-80 dives a year are in Southern California where conditions are not as nice.
 

ichy

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PADI...Pay And Dive In...

I know people who have gotten their certs from both PADI and NAUI. None really have any complaints. It's more the quality of the instructors than anything else.

This. A lot of people bash PADI, but the quality of the instructor matters far more than the certifying agency. I've done Open Water, Advanced Open Water & Nitrox through PADI and saw a world of difference between my OW (good instructor) and AOW (crappy) courses. Check out Scubaboard to find a local instructor with a good reputation and don't worry too much about what agency he's with.
 

purbeast0

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$600 does seem like a lot. i've been looking into it locally and I'm seeing it for around $400 - $450 for everything.

you could also check out scubaboard.com they have a lot of informed and knowledgable people.
 

TheSlamma

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as SPG1 said, get it there in Vancouver. The nice thing about getting your cert in harder conditions is when you do go vacation dives in ideal conditions it's much easier, doesn't work the other way around.

I got certified here in Colorado and basically all of our dives are "night dives" due to the average of 3 feet of visibility in our mudholes here. "If I can dive here, I can dive anywhere!"

Scubaboard has some great info on it, but make sure you are also prepared for some strong opinions on certain things on that board, keep in mind that you are starting out as a recreational diver, don't get caught up in all the comparisons of the equipment or which agencies sucks, as others have said, looking for a good quality/safe/experienced instructor is more important.

Once you do get certified make sure you don't go diving alone, if you need dive buddies hit up your local dive shops, many of them do local dives throughout the month with their divemasters/instructors. Also you can go here http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/pacific-northwest-orca-bait/ and look for more info and other divers in your area.
 
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Whiskey16

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Vancouver isn't the diving mecca of the world ...
No, actually the South West Coast of BC is considered by many throughout the world to be the top among cold water diving destinations. Your mis-statement there actually motivated me to register an account here after lurking on and off for over 10 years.

'For some of the best diving, look no further than B.C.'

I second nearly all that fuzzababybunny recommended, but as Vancouver and the surrounding areas indeed are meccas for diving, you do have plenty of business and university club options for lessons from the basics with PADI or NAUI on up to and technical courses and diving groups.

For getting an introduction into diving few should have an issue with you taking an Open Water course via the PADI route. But -- shop around. In a cold water environment an option of a swimming pool is perfectly acceptable for the first water lessons due to some students presenting a phobia or firm discomfort when being submerged. This happens among classes. Best to happen in a more controlled environment where the shock of cold water on the face and extremities won't amplify anxieties and disrupt a class and their progression to the first dives.

A PADI open water course is an introduction to diving and none should equate that to making one a proficient diver. It will provide you an overview and taste of what you may wish to further pursue. If you want to continue then consider a route to progress up to some tech courses with another organisation. As with many, I did start off locally with a PADI route and even continued in the tropics for their Divemaster (another PADI term that ought to be taken as hyperbole) certification... Though that was done as a way to achieve a cheap diving vacation of 2 to 5 daily/nightly dives around a quiet and beautiful Caribbean reef for nearly two months. :thumbsup:

Beyond a comfortable and well fitting mask plus possibly a snorkel - DO NOT yet buy any further equipment. Taking a class should provide what you will need. Dive equipment is expensive and it will be counter productive to your progression and enjoyment by investing into gear without have some familiarity, practice, and comparisons with the choices available.

Some here recommended that you use a dry suit. Ignore that bad advice. You will be learning to dive and no responsible instructor will out-fit such students in a dry suit without them first learning the fundamentals and then employee safe and good buoyancy techniques. Dry suits complicate this and can greatly increase the risks associated with poor buoyancy control. That said, many local experienced divers still prefer dives in a wet suit. A cold rush will first flow in -- but you WILL warm up. The water beyond 4m is the fairly the same temp year round, so just accept it with proper insulation.

Late fall, winter, to early spring winter diving around here is fantastic with many areas offering clear water. Best in class dive sites. Best diving in North America. You live here so take advantage of it!
 
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