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Chess

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Yeah, I work autonomously so I never have to report to anyone. Huge perk. As long as it all works they leave me alone.

That is the best.... I have the same situation... My boss just approves my timecard... no questions... Pretty sweet gig.
 

sourceninja

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Mar 8, 2005
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Yeah, I'm managing around 60 VMs by myself. I'm the only IT guy at the company. On top of that I have to manage all the NAS backups, the website, the SQL servers, the shipping system and all proprietary SW that we use. At least my days (and sometimes nights) go by quickly!

I'm lucky, most of our customers have moved to containers or serverless. So we dont really manager servers anymore. My life has devolved into salt, chef, python, cloudformation, and serverless/node.
 

B-Riz

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I would recommend taking some community college classes in programming if you want to learn it.

Is structured, has support, and you should be able to get a certificate in programming.

If you are going to DIY it, well, start with the free online course stuff. Learn object oriented, MySQL / database stuff, and work on some open source projects.

Did you do any programming in school? Usually EE's have to take a class or two in it...
 

bfun_x1

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IT engineers are probably just as strange and share many similar qualities. They always like to be in command and right in any discussion. Nothing will be different. Trust me, I've been doing this for 20 years from answering phones to running teams it's never ego free.

Can confirm. I think technical jobs where a persons knowledge is their main asset will be filed with difficult people. I work with people who refuse to share information or document anything in a useful manor. They believe they worked hard to get where they are at and there in no reason to give away information to someone else who didn't work for it or will compete for their job. In the end it usually works out for them. They become indispensable "experts" with job security and leverage.
 
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purbeast0

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We are always hiring EE in the DC area, working alot of cool things..IT requires a security clearance, and I cant really talk much about it due to NDA's.

If you are dead set on staying in the midwest my suggestions wouldnt work.

Ask @purbeast0 he loves DMV LOL
I like the area I just hate the fucking weather when it gets cold as shit and snow. Plus jobs will always be around here and you can make good money if you're good at software development.
 
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Chess

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I like the area I just hate the fucking weather when it gets cold as shit and snow. Plus jobs will always be around here and you can make good money if you're good at software development.

I had to bust your balls Snow this week... woop ha ha
 

purbeast0

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I had to bust your balls Snow this week... woop ha ha
Yeah I just went to the grocery store cause I always go Monday around 3:30 after the gym, and it was full on panic mode. I didn't even know it was supposed to snow until today.
 
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PowerEngineer

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It's not just that I don't like the work, I don't even like the industry that I'm in. I don't like my older coworkers - they are extremely arrogant/condescending. This is something that is probably prevalent in the entire industry. They take so much pride in being right, they're like little children. If they are ever proved wrong they go red in the face and act like someone just killed their family. One guy, around 52-53, was telling me that I was wrong for using a mouse with my laptop. Apparently keeping a computer in my bedroom is also wrong.

The amount of borderline autism in these people is literally mind boggling.

I see you like painting with a very broad brush!

Perhaps your coworkers are just as bad as you say they are, but it seems more likely to me that your attitude toward them is at least a part of the problem. The next field you try may not turn out any better for you if you take that same attitude with you. Just a thought...
 

ultimatebob

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Ya know, the 50 year old guy is right about the using a mouse with a laptop thing. You really should learn how to use the trackpad properly for when you're fully mobile, or go the docking station route in your office/cubicle and get a pair of external monitors with a keyboard and mouse.
 

SeductivePig

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Dec 18, 2007
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Ya know, the 50 year old guy is right about the using a mouse with a laptop thing. You really should learn how to use the trackpad properly for when you're fully mobile, or go the docking station route in your office/cubicle and get a pair of external monitors with a keyboard and mouse.

This was when I had to bring a laptop to a conference room.
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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Working as IT staff in a large company is terrible.

I think thats a bit broad. I've worked for companies with 1 other IT person all the way up to thousands of other IT people. While there are pluses and minuses to both and will vary by company but I liked the one with thousands of other IT people.

I think a lot of people don’t understand what I am looking for - maybe I phrased it incorrectly. Im not looking for an IT career. I want to get into tech. Two different things, I believe.

As for the suggestion about hobbies - I have had plenty of hobbies over the past five years. Does nothing to keep my mind off work.

I look at the next 25-30 years of my career and think, there’s no way I want to be an EE the rest of my life. Or even someone that’s purely technical.

I want to pursue different fields - big data, artificial intelligence, finance, tech, etc. i just see programming as a basis for all of that. I don’t have an end goal in mind for my career. I see work as an experience/opportunity to learn - the money is not a major concern because I think I would be comfortable past $90-100k which isnt that difficult these days with some experience.

IT is far from what I want - I can see how many of you think my expectations are ridiculous in that sense.

I guess I'm still a little confused about what you are looking for. "Tech" and "Programming" at a lot of places still falls under an IT umbrella. Bigdata\analytics as a noob would likely mean supporting someone else's environment so you'd get the grunt calls from people who either don't know how to use Hadoop\MongoDV\R\etc or deal with scientists\customers who don't understand what is possible (or that sales told them 'Yeah we can do that no problem'). I also think it would be a while before consulting would take off for tech related areas on your list. It could very well be tunnel vision on my part from my experience but a lot of the RFP\Q\I\D scoresheets I see would get you cut from consideration or ask someone with more experience be the one doing the consulting.
 

SeductivePig

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I think thats a bit broad. I've worked for companies with 1 other IT person all the way up to thousands of other IT people. While there are pluses and minuses to both and will vary by company but I liked the one with thousands of other IT people.



I guess I'm still a little confused about what you are looking for. "Tech" and "Programming" at a lot of places still falls under an IT umbrella. Bigdata\analytics as a noob would likely mean supporting someone else's environment so you'd get the grunt calls from people who either don't know how to use Hadoop\MongoDV\R\etc or deal with scientists\customers who don't understand what is possible (or that sales told them 'Yeah we can do that no problem'). I also think it would be a while before consulting would take off for tech related areas on your list. It could very well be tunnel vision on my part from my experience but a lot of the RFP\Q\I\D scoresheets I see would get you cut from consideration or ask someone with more experience be the one doing the consulting.

There are college grads who get jobs in consulting with little to no experience, and there are people who get tech jobs without even a bootcamp. Some people get hired as developers and learn on the job. I feel like too many people on the internet post discouraging advice but in reality that’s just not how it is. I wouldnt be surprised if I got an entry level consulting job with 5 years of oil/gas experience.

Example: My job required a masters or 2 years of experience. I had neither - actually didnt have any experience, just a degree in the field. I’m counting on luck like this to get my next role. Pretty sure there is some position out there for me..
 

Rumpltzer

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After 5 years in, it's a good time to jump ship and move on to something else. It's still not clear to me why this requires quitting job, learning something new, moving in with parents, etc. If you want another job in another industry, start applying for new jobs and see what comes up.

I'm having trouble at work. I work my ass off, I'm a rock star at solving problems and making things work, I bring in tons of new money in projects due to the things I've created, and my boss' boss hates me... and my boss is his ass-kissing dog. So I'm on the hunt for new work.

One of the places that offered does something completely different that anything I've ever done. They consider themselves a company that takes only the best of the best, they're massively popular and successful, and they've got a line of undergrads out the door wanting an interview. Once you get there, they work you to death, treat you like crap, but they feed you and give you free t-shirts and stuff like that. They told me that they want me during the interview, but then they offered that I take a 20% pay cut (with a 20% signing bonus). I declined. But my point is that random, not-my-job offers do happen.

My other option is to take my same pay (which is pretty high), but in a much less expensive, pretty undesirable location. They made it very clear during the interview that they wanted me as well, and it's in a related but pretty different field. I declined that as well; not enough upside.

I have two more places that say they'll offer, but it's not on paper yet. We'll see about those...

I'm mid-career, EE, PhD, high salary, already living in a pretty desirable location. I think it's harder to find places where they want experience, and I'm having trouble finding places that can offer enough upside for me to walk away from my awesome job (working for complete assclowns).

Five years in is a good time to be looking. I think people in this thread have made it clear that EE was a good choice. I think that you should simply look for something else and see what happens.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Ya know, the 50 year old guy is right about the using a mouse with a laptop thing. You really should learn how to use the trackpad properly for when you're fully mobile, or go the docking station route in your office/cubicle and get a pair of external monitors with a keyboard and mouse.
Sorry bud, gonna have to disagree, 50yo is wrong. Trackpads are well below mice on usability, to the point that I'd rather drag around a laptop, mouse, and book, rather than deal with a trackpad.

I'd have more respect for someone that brought around one of those stupid trackball mice rather than someone who worked with a trackpad. It's really sad.
 

snoopy7548

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Sorry bud, gonna have to disagree, 50yo is wrong. Trackpads are well below mice on usability, to the point that I'd rather drag around a laptop, mouse, and book, rather than deal with a trackpad.

I'd have more respect for someone that brought around one of those stupid trackball mice rather than someone who worked with a trackpad. It's really sad.

Try using that little nub in the center of the keyboard! I really don't understand how anyone can learn to use that thing.
 

Exterous

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Jun 20, 2006
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There are college grads who get jobs in consulting with little to no experience, and there are people who get tech jobs without even a bootcamp. Some people get hired as developers and learn on the job. I feel like too many people on the internet post discouraging advice but in reality that’s just not how it is.

I wouldnt be surprised if I got an entry level consulting job with 5 years of oil/gas experience.

Yeah - no where in my post did I say he wouldn't get a job or that college grads can't get consulting jobs. Anyone can get a job in consulting but that doesn't mean its a good job or that they know dick about what they are supposed to do. I said it would probably be grunt work to start or it would take a while to take off. That isn't necessarily a bad thing just something to be aware of. Are there jobs out there where you don't have to 'pay your dues' with crappy\boring IT\Tech\Analytic\Programming work? Of course. But they seem to be very few and far between. For a lot of the really unique and interesting (and fun) jobs customers absolutely will not hire or want to deal with a consultant without a substantial amount of experience - because that is exactly what they can get from competitors.
 

SeductivePig

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Yeah - no where in my post did I say he wouldn't get a job or that college grads can't get consulting jobs. Anyone can get a job in consulting but that doesn't mean its a good job or that they know dick about what they are supposed to do. I said it would probably be grunt work to start or it would take a while to take off. That isn't necessarily a bad thing just something to be aware of. Are there jobs out there where you don't have to 'pay your dues' with crappy\boring IT\Tech\Analytic\Programming work? Of course. But they seem to be very few and far between. For a lot of the really unique and interesting (and fun) jobs customers absolutely will not hire or want to deal with a consultant without a substantial amount of experience - because that is exactly what they can get from competitors.

Yea I understand the first few years wont be great. But thats no excuse to do something I hate for the next 30 years.
 

Carson Dyle

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You've clearly made up your mind, so any additional advice is futile. Get back to us in a couple of years when you're manning a support desk for $38k and let us know how your new career is going.
 

Mai72

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Sep 12, 2012
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It's not just that I don't like the work, I don't even like the industry that I'm in. I don't like my older coworkers - they are extremely arrogant/condescending. This is something that is probably prevalent in the entire industry. They take so much pride in being right, they're like little children. If they are ever proved wrong they go red in the face and act like someone just killed their family. One guy, around 52-53, was telling me that I was wrong for using a mouse with my laptop. Apparently keeping a computer in my bedroom is also wrong.

The amount of borderline autism in these people is literally mind boggling.

I'm not a guy with a big ego - living with my parents doesn't define me as a person. That, and I love my parents/family dearly. I haven't lived with them since I was 18, and wouldn't hesitate to move back in with them on a temporary basis. They are getting old.

Reminds me of the book antifragile. When you build your identity around always being right that is when you get in trouble. You become fragile, and you have a breaking point. It's also when ego becomes an issue. But, when you build your identity around being the learner you actually grow stronger and become antifragile. You are always in learning mode.

Anyway, I'm not an engineer or a programer. But, I am someone who thinks about things like regret and the shortness of life. Take a paper/pen and put down everything that could go wrong if you left your job. You could also do pros/cons and see if that might move you to leave. Be realistic of course. Think long term. Where do you see yourself in 5 years. I'm a strong believer in enjoying what you do for work. We spend over 1/3 of our lives working. It's insane to go to a job that you dislike. Both my parents were entrapanures and they LOVED what they did. Loving what you do for a living infects all aspects of your life. Good Luck.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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I think thats a bit broad. I've worked for companies with 1 other IT person all the way up to thousands of other IT people. While there are pluses and minuses to both and will vary by company but I liked the one with thousands of other IT people.

Too much bureaucracy and red tape at most large companies. Many seem to take ITIL way too literally and it kills productivity and morale, but the issue is, they're the ones that pay the best for the most part. Small companies and government can't afford me.

The best gig is being a consultant and going into large organizations - easily the best job I've had.
 

lxskllr

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I've been reading a forestry forum lately, and kinda wish I got into logging or tree cutting, but I'm too old now. You should get into logging while you're young. Think of all the money you'll save not having a gym membership.
 

sourceninja

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Too much bureaucracy and red tape at most large companies. Many seem to take ITIL way too literally and it kills productivity and morale, but the issue is, they're the ones that pay the best for the most part. Small companies and government can't afford me.

The best gig is being a consultant and going into large organizations - easily the best job I've had.
That red tape gets spawned from someone somewhere being traumatized. Example, I had a position a few years back where we had a accidental outage due to a mistake during routine maintenance. Now this was 100% my fault as I did not properly supervise my junior engineer who was assisting with the work. The outage took around 2 hours to resolve and was a complete site outage. The outcome of this outage was insanity. The manager decided that no work could be done until after hours. This ended with my team sitting at our desks from 9-5 doing nothing. We watched youtube, we played cards, etc. We then did all work from 11pm to 3am. I found a new job a few weeks later.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Sep 22, 2007
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That red tape gets spawned from someone somewhere being traumatized. Example, I had a position a few years back where we had a accidental outage due to a mistake during routine maintenance. Now this was 100% my fault as I did not properly supervise my junior engineer who was assisting with the work. The outage took around 2 hours to resolve and was a complete site outage. The outcome of this outage was insanity. The manager decided that no work could be done until after hours. This ended with my team sitting at our desks from 9-5 doing nothing. We watched youtube, we played cards, etc. We then did all work from 11pm to 3am. I found a new job a few weeks later.

At my current job, every decision is made by committee and often, multiple committees. To make matters worse, the bulk of our infrastructure was outsourced. It took us something like 8 months to do a project we could’ve done in 2-3 months if we had full authority. I told my coworker that I can never do another large project here again, as I will go completely insane.

Ironically, I just got an exceptional performance bonus this morning for my work on that project. It was hard not to roll my eyes.
 
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