This big bang "inflation" think is complete NONSENSE

[SaltyNuts]

I'm reaching the "big bang" itself, and I think I'm going to come to the conclusion that the big bang itself is BS. But that is a topic for another thread.

What is absolutely clear based on my current research, however, that the whole "inflation" thing is made up and complete BS. It was made up to help explain why the universe is not uniform in every direction we look. But, from the outset it makes no sense. When scientists say that "when you see light from a galaxy that is 13.7 billion light years away, that light is 13.7 billion years old". One can easily see right off hand how that makes NO SENSE AT ALL. That would necessitate that the entire universe inflated AUTOMATICALLY to its current size. In literally no time at all. But the "big bang", of course says the universe has always been expanding and is still expanding.

Completely contradictory, and total, utter, BS.

 

[BxgJ]

I'm reaching the "big bang" itself, and I think I'm going to come to the conclusion that the big bang itself is BS. But that is a topic for another thread.

What is absolutely clear based on my current research, however, that the whole "inflation" thing is made up and complete BS. It was made up to help explain why the universe is not uniform in every direction we look. But, from the outset it makes no sense. When scientists say that "when you see light from a galaxy that is 13.7 billion light years away, that light is 13.7 billion years old". One can easily see right off hand how that makes NO SENSE AT ALL. That would necessitate that the entire universe inflated AUTOMATICALLY to its current size. In literally no time at all. But the "big bang", of course says the universe has always been expanding and is still expanding.

Completely contradictory, and total, utter, BS.

No it doesn't mean that. The expansion continued after inflation, and light takes time to travel.

 

[child of wonder]

lol

Ok. Whatever you say "SaltyNuts."

 

[dave_the_nerd]

...I think...

Don't think. You're not equipped.

 

[SaltyNuts]

"No it doesn't mean that. The expansion continued after inflation, and light takes time to travel."


LOL. Let me educate the kiddos.

A light year is the distance light travels in a calendar year.

So, absent inflation/expansion, light from 13.7 million light years away would have taken 13.7 million calendar years to get here.

But, if there was inflation/expansion, it would have had to cover a MUCH GREATER distance to get here, due to said inflation/expansion. Therefore, it must come from a MUCH CLOSER source, if you believe inflation/expansion and that it really took 13.7 light years to get here.

Light 13.7 million light years away taking 13.7 million calendar years to get here is completely contradictory to inflation/acceleration.

Damn this place is almost devoid of intellect! Its like explaining things to pre-school kids.

 

[SaltyNuts]

child (lol I really am explaining things to kids) and nerd guy, thank you for your valuable contributions to this thread. Two intellectual powerhouses, you kids!

 

[Andro Boy]

So if the Big Bang is BS, what's your theory on the origins of the universe, then? And don't give the alternative answer that we know is popular with certain segments of the population.

 

[yhelothar]

Big bang inflation is from the observation of redshift in every direction we look. The only way that observation can be explained is through an expanding universe.

 

[Jaepheth]

If you want to call BS on a current scientific theory you can't just poke holes in the analogy used to try and give laymen a visual picture. You're going to have to poke holes in the actual underlying math.

I'll just wait here while you go do the relevant post-grad and probable post-doctoral work.

 

[BxgJ]

"No it doesn't mean that. The expansion continued after inflation, and light takes time to travel."


LOL. Let me educate the kiddos.

A light year is the distance light travels in a calendar year.

So, absent inflation/expansion, light from 13.7 million light years away would have taken 13.7 million calendar years to get here.

But, if there was inflation/expansion, it would have had to cover a MUCH GREATER distance to get here, due to said inflation/expansion. Therefore, it must come from a MUCH CLOSER source, if you believe inflation/expansion and that it really took 13.7 light years to get here.

Light 13.7 million light years away taking 13.7 million calendar years to get here is completely contradictory to inflation/acceleration.

Damn this place is almost devoid of intellect! Its like explaining things to pre-school kids.

The only laughing here is at you. If you think you are smarter than almost all the physicists over the last 100+ years then you will need to provide a much better explanation than the one you have. An explanation which is completely incorrect also, as you are seemingly incapable of understanding my very simple rebuttal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

based on my current research

Please, tell us more.

 

[Meghan54]

Please, tell us more.

Noooooo.......please don't get him to talk any more.....the stupid is horrific!

This is a person that, until last week, thought Pringles were real potato chips, thinks that peeing in your yard is good for the grass, and asked this question:
Can I buy a copy of the map Columbus used to discover America?

Seriously, this kid needs to get out more and read, think, whatever to expand his mind, which seems stuck in 3rd grade neutral.

 

[dullard]

Light 13.7 million light years away taking 13.7 million calendar years to get here is completely contradictory to inflation/acceleration.

If I throw a ball to you when I was 100 feet away from you, does that mean that I must be 100 feet away from you when you catch the ball? No, of course not. I can move while the ball is in the air. Heck, so can you.

If we see light that has travelled 13.7 million light years, then it came from an object that was 13.7 million light years away from our current location when the light was emitted. That doesn't mean that the object is still in that same exact place now.

 

[deadlyapp]

Thank you, I was coming to post this exact thing and your analogy is on point.

If I throw a ball to you when I was 100 feet away from you. Does that mean that I must be 100 feet away from you when you catch the ball? No, of course not. I can most while the ball is in the air. Heck, so can you.

If we see light that has travelled 13.7 million light years, then it came from an object that was 13.7 million light years away from our current location when the light was emitted. That doesn't mean that the object is still in that same exact place now.

 

[nakedfrog]

Please tweet your theory to Neil deGrasse Tyson so he can have a good chuckle at your stupidity today.

 

[DigDog]

not every part of the universe expands at the speed of light. for example, the area of space between the earth and the moon, does not inflate at the speed of light.

anyway, the theory is in its very early conceptual stage and it exists more because it's part of the process of discovery, rather than it being an attempt to explain the universe big bang.

and it might be that we simply missed something colossal in the redshift.

 

[child of wonder]

If I throw a ball to you when I was 100 feet away from you, does that mean that I must be 100 feet away from you when you catch the ball? No, of course not. I can move while the ball is in the air. Heck, so can you.

If we see light that has travelled 13.7 million light years, then it came from an object that was 13.7 million light years away from our current location when the light was emitted. That doesn't mean that the object is still in that same exact place now.

Exactly. And given that the rate of expansion of the universe decreases as the light gets closer to us (the further away something is, the more red shifted it is, the greater its rate of acceleration away from us) the shrinking 74 km/s rate of expansion per megaparsec doesn't do much to photons traveling at 300,000 km/s towards us.

 

[Paratus]

Big Bang theory and the Theory of Inflantion are the best most accurate models for the observable universe.

PBS Spacetime has some excellent YouTube videos on the Big Bang and what we are certain of and what we are not:

This link is for inflation theory.
https://youtu.be/blSTTFS8Uco


Check them out and come back with questions.

 

[Tequila]

The best way to understand the Universe is to watch Rick & Morty. It will all make sense especially if you watch every episode in a marathon while drinking a bottle of tequila.

 

[Ken g6]

Want your mind really blown? Some theories say the greater universe is always experiencing inflation, and it's just the local universe (meaning the visible universe plus a little more) that temporarily stopped inflating for some reason. If this is correct eventually inflation will come back and we'll have a "big rip".

 

[PowerEngineer]

Noooooo.......please don't get him to talk any more.....the stupid is horrific!

This is a person that, until last week, thought Pringles were real potato chips, thinks that peeing in your yard is good for the grass, and asked this question:
Can I buy a copy of the map Columbus used to discover America?

Seriously, this kid needs to get out more and read, think, whatever to expand his mind, which seems stuck in 3rd grade neutral.

Yes, pretty much what I was thinking.

OP, the next time you come across something that makes no immediate sense to you, remember that there are two possibilities:

1. You are right; It is "total, utter, BS".
   
2. It is right; you just do not know enough to understand it.

And given your track record here, you should use that second possibility as your default.

 

[Pulsar]

Why are you guys bothering? He's the typical post-then-leave troll. He rarely returns to threads more than once. Just ignore him and he'll starve for attention and find greener pastures.

 

[stormkroe]

Those guys should go buy all the lottery tickets they can with that much luck. I mean, how lucky do you have to be to use an incorrect theory to predict/discover:

Cosmic microwave background radiation temp
Planetary trajectory
Black holes
Time dilation
Compression of at least 6 space dimensions
Trans-field agreement of the age of the earth, sun, stars
That pepsi products are actually better than coke products
etc
(Didn't want to go to google to flesh out the list so there's some filler there)

 

[sdifox]

Tune in tomorrow when op explains how magnets are hoaxes.

 

[John Connor]