This Christanity thing is confusing.

[Mai72]

I just don't get it.

A guy like Hitler who started WW2 and almost wiped out the Jews could go to Heaven if he just admitted his sins and found God before he died.

Yet, a school teacher who devoted her life to the betterment of society by educating the young could find herself in Hell if she never committed herself to God before her death.

Hitler- Heaven
Teacher who did everything morally right- Hell

Seems about right.

 

[olds]

It's not real

 

[Newbian]

This is why I go to the church of the flying spaghetti monster.

 

[IronWing]

If religion made any sense it would be called something else.

 

[Newbian]

If religion made any sense it would be called something else.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Religion in general is just something people tell themselves to mend their mind from the complexities of simply saying "I don't know".

Instead of saying "What is this world and why are we here?" some people need that to be filled with white noise bullshit with some mythical creature created everything magically.... While anyone with half a brain and an ounce of logic simply says the phrase "I don't know [yet]"

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Religion in general is just something people tell themselves to mend their mind from the complexities of simply saying "I don't know".

Instead of saying "What is this world and why are we here?" some people need that to be filled with white noise bullshit with some mythical creature created everything magically.... While anyone with half a brain and an ounce of logic simply says the phrase "I don't know [yet]"

That "I don't know" thing is unpalatable for many because those are some seriously scary unknowns and it's comforting to commit to something with an answer. Which is fine. If you want to believe in a higher power to give your life meaning and settle that "why are we here?" question or you want to believe in some possibility of continuing existence like heaven or reincarnation, go for it. Latch onto whatever invisible man you want and hope for the best. That makes sense, sort of.

But why Christianity? Why latch onto an invisible man that made you broken, hates you for being born and demands a life spent kissing his ass to gain forgiveness for something you didn't do? There are better gods out there. In fact, it's hard to find a worse one. If you can't deal with "I don't know" and absolutely have to believe in something with answers, believe in literally ANYTHING else. Shake tambourines in airports, build a shrine to a blue six-armed elephant, worship that green stuff growing on your shower curtain, they're all better choices than trying to jump through all the hoops demanded by the most evil god ever invented.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That "I don't know" thing is unpalatable for many because those are some seriously scary unknowns and it's comforting to commit to something with an answer. Which is fine. If you want to believe in a higher power to give your life meaning and settle that "why are we here?" question or you want to believe in some possibility of continuing existence like heaven or reincarnation, go for it. Latch onto whatever invisible man you want and hope for the best. That makes sense, sort of.

But why Christianity? Why latch onto an invisible man that made you broken, hates you for being born and demands a life spent kissing his ass to gain forgiveness for something you didn't do? There are better gods out there. In fact, it's hard to find a worse one. If you can't deal with "I don't know" and absolutely have to believe in something with answers, believe in literally ANYTHING else. Shake tambourines in airports, build a shrine to a blue six-armed elephant, worship that green stuff growing on your shower curtain, they're all better choices than trying to jump through all the hoops demanded by the most evil god ever invented.

If you need stories that would normally be placed in a fiction section of a bookstore in order to comfort you then simply put - you're an idiot. And that pretty much sums up every religion that has produced a book or any literature in a nut-shell.

My mother in law is a great example. Finds herself incredibly religious, yet is incredibly scared of any heights. Just going over a bridge in a car freaks her out (and I'm talking a highway overpass, not a bridge over water). Every single time I'm with her and she wants me to drop her off upfront instead of going over a walking sky-bridge I just want to ask... Where is your god now?

By all means, if you would normally be going crazy without that self-fulfilling BS literature, then by all means - I guess if it's better for you then go ahead. The problem is I think there is an argument as to if it's better for people or not.

 

[madoka]

Whenever these anti-religious threads pop up, I always think that I'd rather be tag-teamed by Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons missionaries coming to my house to convert me rather than deal with atheists pat themselves on the back over how much smarter they are than religious folks.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Let us know if atheists show up at your door.

Poor persecuted religion.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Whenever these anti-religious threads pop up, I always think that I'd rather be tag-teamed by Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons missionaries coming to my house to convert me rather than deal with atheists pat themselves on the back over how much smarter they are than religious folks.

No but srsly, I'm pretty atheist and at no point have I ever felt the need to bring up the topic of religion to people in real life. It hasn't really ever happened, even when religion has come up such as saying "I went to church on Sunday". At no point did I feel the need to interject with my stance as an atheist, so I'm not sure where that stereotype comes from.

 

[Ventanni]

No but srsly, I'm pretty atheist and at no point have I ever felt the need to bring up the topic of religion to people in real life. It hasn't really ever happened, even when religion has come up such as saying "I went to church on Sunday". At no point did I feel the need to interject with my stance as an atheist, so I'm not sure where that stereotype.comes from.

Man, me either!

 

[madoka]

Let us know if atheists show up at your door.

Poor persecuted religion.

Show me one time someone posted on ATOT promoting their religion and denouncing atheism.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Show me one time someone posted on ATOT promoting their religion and denouncing atheism.

Show me one post on ATOT that you were forced to read and respond to.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

And from your unfriendly neighborhood Deist, a reminder that the God of the Abrahamic religions is the only being who could possibly deserve the epithet "Devil" with a capital D.

Any being that demands worship is unworthy of it. When you understand this, you will understand why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are devil-worship, and why their followers are demoniacs.

 

[madoka]

Show me one post on ATOT that you were forced to read and respond to.

Well in that case, you're not required to answer your door either.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Well in that case, you're not required to answer your door either.

You're not required to answer the door, but if you don't answer the religious nutjobs keep coming back. If just once you go to the door completely naked except for pink, thigh-high go-go boots, a Mexican banditio bandolier and a propeller beanie while holding a running chainsaw and singing the theme song from "Shaft" they leave you alone forever. Actually your neighbors, your relatives and even the tax collectors leave you alone forever too, so it's a pretty useful ploy.

 

[Sonikku]

Ever since I was discharged from the hospital and started telling my story people have been pushing me to take up Christianity at every turn. I have yet to experience anyone pushing atheism on me however.

 

[Paladin3]

This is likely a really bad idea, especially since I am an agnostic and don't believe this myself, but if you asked most Christians the question the OP poses this is *probably* the answer you would get.

Histler will NOT go to heaven because you have to make an honest, loving attempt to follow God's laws, not just give lip service to the idea of being a Christian right before you die. Accepting Jesus as your savior requires more than just proclaiming it, especially after a lifetime of committing some of the worst sins possible. Only God/Jesus would be capable of looking into Hitler's heart and knowing if he was truly repentant, even then it might be too late. We don't decide who goes to Heaven, only Jesus/God does can know for sure. Just because someone may or may not seem righteous to us doesn't mean they are in God's eyes.

The school teacher (and all of us unbelievers) will be resurrected and shown, either at death or later (the last will be first and the first will be last) when Jesus comes back to take control of his kingdom on Earth, the truth of the existence of God. We will then know the truth and be given a choice to accept Jesus/God as our savior and live in Heaven for eternity as we were meant to before Adam and Eve sinned and got us all kicked out of Eden. If we/the school teacher insist on rejecting Jesus/God after being show the truth, either we go to Hell or just cease to exist (meaning Hell = not existing in a loving relationship in Heaven with God as we were created to.)

I'm not claiming to believe any of this, but this is more or less what most the common Christian belief. We can debate the existence of God but the way the OP puts common Christian belief is just ignorant. Of course we all know he was just trolling and probably won't even be back.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You're not required to answer the door, but if you don't answer the religious nutjobs keep coming back. If just once you go to the door completely naked except for pink, thigh-high go-go boots, a Mexican banditio bandolier and a propeller beanie while holding a running chainsaw and singing the theme song from "Shaft" they leave you alone forever. Actually your neighbors, your relatives and even the tax collectors leave you alone forever too, so it's a pretty useful ploy.

Not to mention, there are completely legitimate things that can knock at your door - and you don't have the knowledge to determine what the credentials are of the person knocking.

They could be....
1. Someone serving you papers to appear in court (very important).
2. Someone dropping off mis-delivered mail - or dropping off mail packages to be delivered.
3. Someone that wants to speak with you about a legitimate issue (homeowners association, neighbor, etc...).

Point being, you can't determine or judge anyone until you open the door.

This is likely a really bad idea, especially since I am an agnostic and don't believe this myself, but if you asked most Christians the question the OP poses this is *probably* the answer you would get.

Histler will NOT go to heaven because you have to make an honest, loving attempt to follow God's laws, not just give lip service to the idea of being a Christian right before you die. Accepting Jesus as your savior requires more than just proclaiming it, especially after a lifetime of committing some of the worst sins possible. Only God/Jesus would be capable of looking into Hitler's heart and knowing if he was truly repentant, even then it might be too late. We don't decide who goes to Heaven, only Jesus/God does can know for sure. Just because someone may or may not seem righteous to us doesn't mean they are in God's eyes.

The school teacher (and all of us unbelievers) will be resurrected and shown, either at death or later (the last will be first and the first will be last) when Jesus comes back to take control of his kingdom on Earth, the truth of the existence of God. We will then know the truth and be given a choice to accept Jesus/God as our savior and live in Heaven for eternity as we were meant to before Adam and Eve sinned and got us all kicked out of Eden. If we/the school teacher insist on rejecting Jesus/God after being show the truth, either we go to Hell or just cease to exist (meaning Hell = not existing in a loving relationship in Heaven with God as we were created to.)

I'm not claiming to believe any of this, but this is more or less what most the common Christian belief. We can debate the existence of God but the way the OP puts common Christian belief is just ignorant. Of course we all know he was just trolling and probably won't even be back.

You're clearly not agnostic, you're just another typical idiot that can;t make up there mind. There is a clear (and distinctive) difference.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Whenever these anti-religious threads pop up, I always think that I'd rather be tag-teamed by Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons missionaries coming to my house to convert me rather than deal with atheists pat themselves on the back over how much smarter they are than religious folks.

Tell me of all the Atheists who have knocked on your door to proselytize. You know you can't, It is just happens in response to you bringing the subject up first. Atheists feel sorry about your ignorance and try to educate you.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Ever since I was discharged from the hospital and started telling my story people have been pushing me to take up Christianity at every turn. I have yet to experience anyone pushing atheism on me however.

Misery loves company and your conversion will validate their belief. Shared illusions are real!

 

[Paladin3]

You're clearly not agnostic, you're just another typical idiot that can;t make up there mind. There is a clear (and distinctive) difference.

Yeah, it's impossible to understand something and not believe in it. Fuck you.

I call myself agnostic because I don't know if there is some kind of supreme being or not. I lean heavily towards not, because science so far hasn't found evidence to support a creator or intelligent design. That doesn't mean I can absolutely rule it out because our knowledge of the Universe isn't complete yet.

 

[Pulsar]

Show me one time someone posted on ATOT promoting their religion and denouncing atheism.

I am not even going to waste my time finding one of the DOZENS of examples of people like retro rob spewing their religious BS. Do your own work.

 

[elitejp]

To the OP.
The premise is simple. Neither individual lived a completely moral life (perfect life). The school teacher lived a good life but not without wrong doing. Hitler lived a terrible life with much wrong doing. The crutch being that neither was perfect. In your example Hitler before dying admits that he lived an immoral life and asks for forgiveness accepting that Jesus paid the substitution, therefore he isnt trying to make it to heaven based upon his (hitlers) own good works but rather based on what Jesus did.

The same goes for the school teacher who at death still continues to base her entering heaven on her good works. However her good works will never be good enough so she would never qualify.

The easiest illustration in what Jesus did can be likened to you committing a crime and having your brother (who has not committed any crime) talk to the judge and bear the penalty that you deserve. You did the wrong but he paid the penalty.