This gif blows my mind if true

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
Imagine how advanced a civilization must be on one of those galaxies that's 13 billion light years out (any of the ones mentioned as most distant) if that civilization began 13 billion years ago.

They probably ended up destroying themselves long ago.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Originally posted by: IamBusby

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
I have been thinking about this exact topic the past few nights. It really puts a dim perspective on everyday life when you realize how much is out there, and how we will never see or experience it.

Just take a good look out there. There is no absolute wall to space. There is no end. There can't be. That means that beyond those photo's, there an truly an infinite amount of planes/stars/galaxies behind it. There is everything and anything out there. Space just keeps going, and going, and going. In space there must be everything imaginable. To be honest, it makes me think about my own mortality. It makes me hope that when I die i could go anywhere and do anything. I want to know what's out there.

I got some time to spare though. lol.

No matter how large the universe is it is finite.

As to there being a "Wall" at the end and your next question being "well what's on the other side?" If you were to keep travelling in a straight line it's theorised that you would would end up back where you started. I think this is where the Donut shaped universe theory comes from. Based on this you could also theorise that one of those points of light out there in space is actually our very own galaxy at an early age and the light has travelled in this straight line until it's reached us again.

How could it not be infinite?

Really, if the universe had some sort of shape, well that makes no sense. If it was in a shape, there would be space around it to give it that shape. And there is no possible way to go into a straight line and end up where you began without changing direction.

Draw a donut, then try to draw a straight line inside of the donut so it ends up exactly where it started. (mr obvious states that it isn't possible.) That theory is bull. If it was a relflection of our own galaxy, why it is reflecting off of? A wall? If so, there has to be two sides to a wall and that means something is beyond that.

It has to go on forever. I know its hard to believe, but I've wrapped myself in the thought plenty of times and there just can't be an "end" to space.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

Originally posted by: IamBusby

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
I have been thinking about this exact topic the past few nights. It really puts a dim perspective on everyday life when you realize how much is out there, and how we will never see or experience it.

Just take a good look out there. There is no absolute wall to space. There is no end. There can't be. That means that beyond those photo's, there an truly an infinite amount of planes/stars/galaxies behind it. There is everything and anything out there. Space just keeps going, and going, and going. In space there must be everything imaginable. To be honest, it makes me think about my own mortality. It makes me hope that when I die i could go anywhere and do anything. I want to know what's out there.

I got some time to spare though. lol.

No matter how large the universe is it is finite.

As to there being a "Wall" at the end and your next question being "well what's on the other side?" If you were to keep travelling in a straight line it's theorised that you would would end up back where you started. I think this is where the Donut shaped universe theory comes from. Based on this you could also theorise that one of those points of light out there in space is actually our very own galaxy at an early age and the light has travelled in this straight line until it's reached us again.

How could it not be infinite?

Really, if the universe had some sort of shape, well that makes no sense. If it was in a shape, there would be space around it to give it that shape. And there is no possible way to go into a straight line and end up where you began without changing direction.

Draw a donut, then try to draw a straight line inside of the donut so it ends up exactly where it started. (mr obvious states that it isn't possible.) That theory is bull. If it was a relflection of our own galaxy, why it is reflecting off of? A wall? If so, there has to be two sides to a wall and that means something is beyond that.

It has to go on forever. I know its hard to believe, but I've wrapped myself in the thought plenty of times and there just can't be an "end" to space.

Just because it doesn't feel right or is hard to believe doesn't make it false in any way.

 

[IamBusby]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx

How could it not be infinite?

Really, if the universe had some sort of shape, well that makes no sense. If it was in a shape, there would be space around it to give it that shape. And there is no possible way to go into a straight line and end up where you began without changing direction.

Draw a donut, then try to draw a straight line inside of the donut so it ends up exactly where it started. (mr obvious states that it isn't possible.) That theory is bull. If it was a relflection of our own galaxy, why it is reflecting off of? A wall? If so, there has to be two sides to a wall and that means something is beyond that.

It has to go on forever. I know its hard to believe, but I've wrapped myself in the thought plenty of times and there just can't be an "end" to space.

As Born2bwire says just because you can't wrap your brain around it doesn't make it untrue.

We think and work in 3 dimensions so we really can't grasp any extra dimensions but you would need these extra dimensions for the Donut shaped universe to work.

As for the light being reflected. It's not, the light is just going on for so long that it eventually comes back to it's origin. There is no reflection going on at all.

Think about what you say when you say the universe is infinite. If this was true then everything you can imagine will be happening at this exact moment on another planet.

Imagine you in a bed with Scarlet Johansen and Hitler and if the universe was infinite it would be happening on a planet somewhere out there, such is the way that inifinity works.

 

[Fritzo]

Didn't this make it's rounds last year?

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Newbian
I was waiting for a scare tactic during the whole show.

It's a gif

 

[SlitheryDee]

I think it was best said by Sagan in Pale Blue Dot

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
How could it not be infinite?

Because everything within it would have to be the same age, created at the same moment. If the universe were infinite, time would either stand still or not exist, or something incomprehensible like that, anyway.

 

[edro]

"The Power of Ten" depressed me in junior high.

How could we possibly have any impact on anything, when we are so tiny?
How could God care about us, when we occupy 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of the universe?

 

[Juddog]

What would really blow the minds of a lot of people is understanding that ours isn't the only universe out there.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: edro
"The Power of Ten" depressed me in junior high.

How could we possibly have any impact on anything, when we are so tiny?
How could God care about us, when we occupy 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of the universe?

For those who have not seen it.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: edro
"The Power of Ten" depressed me in junior high.

How could we possibly have any impact on anything, when we are so tiny?
How could God care about us, when we occupy 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of the universe?

Certain patterns exist throughout space; think of it as a fractal if you will. It's really egocentric to think that life only formed on our planet and nowhere else. People like to think of themselves as something special in order to give their lives meaning.

In the grand scheme of things, our lives do matter, but not a single one of our lives can individually affect things on an astronomic scale. That scares a lot of people who are focused upon themselves and think of their ego as all who they are.

There are cosmic events happening every day which affects entire star systems or even galaxies that we as humans are unaware of, simply because we cannot perceive it and don't have the telescopes aimed at the right areas of the sky. That's how wrapped up we are in this world that we live in. There are still people on this earth that despite technology are basically living their lives the same as people from two thousand years ago.

In essence it will take several leaps, or in other words, several orders of magnitude in technology, before we attain even a modicum of importance in the grand scheme of things, astronomically speaking.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
How could it not be infinite?

Really, if the universe had some sort of shape, well that makes no sense. If it was in a shape, there would be space around it to give it that shape. And there is no possible way to go into a straight line and end up where you began without changing direction.

Draw a donut, then try to draw a straight line inside of the donut so it ends up exactly where it started. (mr obvious states that it isn't possible.) That theory is bull. If it was a relflection of our own galaxy, why it is reflecting off of? A wall? If so, there has to be two sides to a wall and that means something is beyond that.

It has to go on forever. I know its hard to believe, but I've wrapped myself in the thought plenty of times and there just can't be an "end" to space.

Fortunately for the advancement of knowledge, people have learned not to rely on their intuitions.

Think about what you say when you say the universe is infinite. If this was true then everything you can imagine will be happening at this exact moment on another planet. Imagine you in a bed with Scarlet Johansen and Hitler and if the universe was infinite it would be happening on a planet somewhere out there, such is the way that inifinity works.

No. That's not what infinity means. The number of rational numbers is infinite, but if you look through all the rational numbers, you won't find any irrational numbers. Just because there are infinite possibilities doesn't mean that all possibilities exist. Now, to demonstrate the intuition fails thing: there are just as many even integers as there are integers - an infinite number of each. But, there are infinitely many more irrational numbers as there are integers.

 

[Schadenfroh]

If that gif blows your mind, this video will make you consider relinquishing your liver.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: destrekor
very true.

let me try and dig up the animation that is captured from

Close enough.

Haha, best YouTube comment ever right there: "This is not updated. There should be a Canis Majoris, follwed by my BALLS, right before yo fat mamma. "

:laugh:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Was cool until they brought "Star Trek Physics" into it. Jesus Christ...

That WTF

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Was cool until they brought "Star Trek Physics" into it. Jesus Christ...

Star Trek references help put things in perspective for people who don't know astronomy. Everything's far out, but how far is it? Star Trek gives a reference that laymen(me) are familiar with.

Putting it in perspective of a completely made up and arbitrary number ("warp")? Because anyone has ANY sort of scale of what star trek warp speed actually means.... no it was completely useless and unnecessary.

 

[Juddog]

I think everybody can agree that the star trek reference was stupid. It's like showing the number of planets we've found so far, and saying the death star would take x amount of days to blow them all up.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Was cool until they brought "Star Trek Physics" into it. Jesus Christ...

Star Trek references help put things in perspective for people who don't know astronomy. Everything's far out, but how far is it? Star Trek gives a reference that laymen(me) are familiar with.

Putting it in perspective of a completely made up and arbitrary number ("warp")? Because anyone has ANY sort of scale of what star trek warp speed actually means.... no it was completely useless and unnecessary.

Actual numbers are meaningless to someone who isn't into astronomy. Light years? who gives a shit? How long does that take to travel in human terms? Star Trek is fairly accurate, taking into account the made up technology, and it gives a "real life" comparison to distances being discussed.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Was cool until they brought "Star Trek Physics" into it. Jesus Christ...

Star Trek references help put things in perspective for people who don't know astronomy. Everything's far out, but how far is it? Star Trek gives a reference that laymen(me) are familiar with.

Putting it in perspective of a completely made up and arbitrary number ("warp")? Because anyone has ANY sort of scale of what star trek warp speed actually means.... no it was completely useless and unnecessary.

Actual numbers are meaningless to someone who isn't into astronomy. Light years? who gives a shit? How long does that take to travel in human terms? Star Trek is fairly accurate, taking into account the made up technology, and it gives a "real life" comparison to distances being discussed.

ROFL at Star Trek giving a "real life" comparison. :laugh:

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
How could it not be infinite?

Really, if the universe had some sort of shape, well that makes no sense. If it was in a shape, there would be space around it to give it that shape. And there is no possible way to go into a straight line and end up where you began without changing direction.

Draw a donut, then try to draw a straight line inside of the donut so it ends up exactly where it started. (mr obvious states that it isn't possible.) That theory is bull. If it was a relflection of our own galaxy, why it is reflecting off of? A wall? If so, there has to be two sides to a wall and that means something is beyond that.

It has to go on forever. I know its hard to believe, but I've wrapped myself in the thought plenty of times and there just can't be an "end" to space.

Fortunately for the advancement of knowledge, people have learned not to rely on their intuitions.

Think about what you say when you say the universe is infinite. If this was true then everything you can imagine will be happening at this exact moment on another planet. Imagine you in a bed with Scarlet Johansen and Hitler and if the universe was infinite it would be happening on a planet somewhere out there, such is the way that inifinity works.

No. That's not what infinity means. The number of rational numbers is infinite, but if you look through all the rational numbers, you won't find any irrational numbers. Just because there are infinite possibilities doesn't mean that all possibilities exist. Now, to demonstrate the intuition fails thing: there are just as many even integers as there are integers - an infinite number of each. But, there are infinitely many more irrational numbers as there are integers.

Good ol' Cardinality :thumbsup:

Mind-blowing when I first read it.

For those interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...dox_of_the_Grand_Hotel

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
my ego dwarfs all that shit.

Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash. And speaking of shit, if you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong.

 

[zerogear]

Originally posted by: Juddog
What would really blow the minds of a lot of people is understanding that ours isn't the only universe out there.

The problem with an infinite space (not universe, universe is finite), is chaos theory, since space is infinite, anything that can/will/ever happen has already happened, including possibility of another universe created out of another big bang, or another universe that is exactly the same/mirroring this one.

I think that is the main issue people have trouble understanding.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Scholzpdx
How could it not be infinite?

Really, if the universe had some sort of shape, well that makes no sense. If it was in a shape, there would be space around it to give it that shape. And there is no possible way to go into a straight line and end up where you began without changing direction.

Draw a donut, then try to draw a straight line inside of the donut so it ends up exactly where it started. (mr obvious states that it isn't possible.) That theory is bull. If it was a relflection of our own galaxy, why it is reflecting off of? A wall? If so, there has to be two sides to a wall and that means something is beyond that.

It has to go on forever. I know its hard to believe, but I've wrapped myself in the thought plenty of times and there just can't be an "end" to space.

Fortunately for the advancement of knowledge, people have learned not to rely on their intuitions.

Think about what you say when you say the universe is infinite. If this was true then everything you can imagine will be happening at this exact moment on another planet. Imagine you in a bed with Scarlet Johansen and Hitler and if the universe was infinite it would be happening on a planet somewhere out there, such is the way that inifinity works.

No. That's not what infinity means. The number of rational numbers is infinite, but if you look through all the rational numbers, you won't find any irrational numbers. Just because there are infinite possibilities doesn't mean that all possibilities exist. Now, to demonstrate the intuition fails thing: there are just as many even integers as there are integers - an infinite number of each. But, there are infinitely many more irrational numbers as there are integers.

Good ol' Cardinality :thumbsup:

Mind-blowing when I first read it.

For those interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...dox_of_the_Grand_Hotel

The easiest way I find to explain to people about higher than 3 dimensional space is to look at the universe like a giant trampoline - the more mass an object contains, the more it creates a divot on the surface of the trampoline. Now make the trampoline really huge, and wrap it around like a balloon. If you follow a straight line long enough you'll eventually come around again to the other side.

Computers have no trouble calculating objects with more than 3 dimensions. Math has no issue with it. The only reason we as humans are limited to it is that our brains have the equivalent to a 3d graphics card, if you will, in other words our brains have a large area devoted to understanding 3 dimensions. It's easy for almost anybody to create a 3 dimensional object within their mind and rotate it around, say for example a cube.

If you try and that same cube and expand it to 4 dimensions to create a tesseract, then suddenly the mind stumbles because it's not used to processing that type of object.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: zerogear

Originally posted by: Juddog
What would really blow the minds of a lot of people is understanding that ours isn't the only universe out there.

The problem with an infinite space (not universe, universe is finite), is chaos theory, since space is infinite, anything that can/will/ever happen has already happened, including possibility of another universe created out of another big bang, or another universe that is exactly the same/mirroring this one.

I think that is the main issue people have trouble understanding.

What you stated plays upon the ideas of ten dimensional space / time, which is a bit more involved than most ATOT is willing to wrap their minds around.

I'll toss a link in though for those that want to blow their minds:
http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php