This is a good trend for the country

Moonbeam

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Neither the religious nor the non-religious know much about why faith and doubt exist. The secret protects itself. Of what use is the truth to those who are blind to the fact they assume they already know it? Who opens themselves to the awareness they are empty?

A man was chased off a cliff by a tiger. Another looked up from below. Grip weakening, ha saw a strawberry growing there and plucked it. It tasted so good.
 

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ivwshane

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Unfortunately, It's being replaced by religious like membership to the Democratic/Liberal political church.

Of course! As evident by all the DNC memorabilia and liberal/DNC hats you see all over the place.

Do you know you are delusional or do you just try to pretend you don’t know? How many friends and family members stopped talking to you this week?
 

pmv

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One thing I noticed about Trump culters, they love to project. Makes me chuckle when Trumphumping cultists start talking about politics as a religion



Yup, I was going to ask, does it include Qanon and Trump-worship?

I believe it was GK Chesterton who said "When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing, he believes in a crackpot conspiracy theory and a bright orange narcissist". (I may have misremembered the quote)
 

trenchfoot

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The more church memberships decline the more politically active their leadership will become. As a result, preaching political dogma from the pulpit will become more mainstream, more prevalent. The church, like the Repub party are unique bedfellows in that both are in decline, both find themselves desperately clinging to Trump and both casting curses and vile untruths about those "liberal socialist unclean heathen" that would, get this - "Destroy America from the inside out", which is exactly what the Repub party is doing in order to cling to power.

In essence we will have a heavily influenced faith-based Repub party to deal with, a theocratic form of rebellion littered with strict fundamentalists, racists, supremacists and radical nationalists all financed by Corporate America and to a lesser extent, those millions of minions that have been indoctrinated in the ways of hate, fear and dehumanizing those who are, for one asinine reason or another, "not like they are".
 

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Talk to the hardcore white evangelical trumpsters - they're twisted. They believe this is their country, given to them by god. Defending it against multiculturalism & liberal democracy is their sacred task.

It goes way beyond bad acid trip twisted.
It's true. They have some strange divine right thing going with gaining power in the country so that they can impose their sharia level laws. There is simply no compromise or mutual understanding possible with these people. They will always view anyone outside as the enemy, even if the enemy wants to improve their lives in some way. The terrible thing about belief systems not grounded in reality is that they will constantly change their views to meet a desired outcome. Even better, they enjoy someone in their bubble to tell them what to think.
 
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My very favorite of all time quote on religion is by one of my least favorite people of all time:

"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in other people's business. I live by the golden rule: Treat others as you'd want them to treat you. The religious right wants to tell people how to live."



But he wussed out on it later.
 

cytg111

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I think religion is natural phenomenon that emerges, when a set of a certain size of people have close proximity to each other, as a self governing principle.
Its leadership, its order and its direction.
I mean, drop WW3 and watch "humanity" crawl back to the surface 200 years later with no pillars of history to stand on, I am 100% certain we will give rise to another set of divinities... and then we will evolve our sociological sciences and once again come to see religion for what it is. I cant hate on religion, that would be to hate myself, my history and where I come from. It's just for this current state of evolution of mankind, it has sort of served its purpose - for a lot of us anyway.
 
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I think all religion should be outlawed and violators flogged with cat o nine tails with beanie babies tied to the ends.
 

WelshBloke

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American religion always seems peculiarly stridently political looking from the outside.
I guess in most countries religious issues impinge on political ideology but in the US they seem tightly woven together.
Even bizarre things like gun ownership! I don't remember Jesus in the bible being massive about shooting people in the face but I haven't read it much.

I think ultimately that in that brand of ideology politics and religion are just going to choke each other. Either that or the religion is going to have to change to be unrecognisable from where it came from. I suppose that you can actually see that in some branches of US churches. A bit racist, a bit violent, a lot about money...
 
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Pohemi

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Unfortunately, It's being replaced by religious like membership to the Democratic/Liberal political church.
Shut the fuck up, clown.
In essence we already have a heavily influenced faith-based Repub party to deal with, a theocratic form of rebellion littered with strict fundamentalists, racists, supremacists and radical nationalists all financed by Corporate America and to a lesser extent, those millions of minions that have been indoctrinated in the ways of hate, fear and dehumanizing those who are, for one asinine reason or another, "not like they are".
This has been in effect now for the past half century, and only accelerating in severity. Like a cornered rodent, they are desperate and have begun to start eating each other.

Religion can go fuck itself along with @brandonbull's dumb ass. Birds of a feather...they both base their fucktard statements and "truths" on bullshit, fantasy, projection, and lies.
 

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Neither the religious nor the non-religious know much about why faith and doubt exist. The secret protects itself. Of what use is the truth to those who are blind to the fact they assume they already know it? Who opens themselves to the awareness they are empty?

A man was chased off a cliff by a tiger. Another looked up from below. Grip weakening, ha saw a strawberry growing there and plucked it. It tasted so good.

I love you Moonie.

To the topic, I don't agree this trend is good for the country. Not because of anything having to do with religion mind you, but because of loss of community.
 

WelshBloke

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I love you Moonie.

To the topic, I don't agree this trend is good for the country. Not because of anything having to do with religion mind you, but because of loss of community.
Are the sorts of churches where you have to be a member good for a sense of community? Sure its probably good if you are part of the in group and go with what the church says but if you are part of the out group I bet you don't feel as much part of the community.
 
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ch33zw1z

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I love you Moonie.

To the topic, I don't agree this trend is good for the country. Not because of anything having to do with religion mind you, but because of loss of community.

The loss of a community where you're shunned or worse if you don't fit in, toe the line, etc...

People not being "members" of churches doesn't mean they're not going to church, or involved in communities, believers, it just means they're not registered members.

Fwiw, churches have enrolled members lists just like any other venue, and when you sign up they expect things out of you. One of those things is tithe, and if you don't follow thru they will harass you or kick you out. You can also give "offering" to curry more favor with the church.

I personally don't see falling church membership directly correlated to less activity in the community. That's a tough one, as different areas of the country are building up and dwindling at different times, and community involvement would have to be assessed with more detailed measurements.

I can say this though, the FYGM attitude that's been a huge factor in politics and religions in the last 50 years has played a part in the communities I'm involved with. So has the trickle down economics lie. People have much less free time to volunteer, and now even when they do have some spare time, the mental conditioning of FYGM means theyre less likely to volunteer.
 
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pauldun170

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I can't say religion's influence on society has declined or the number of religious people have declined. I believe that Church membership should be viewed from the lens of the Church's actual function in any given society. Where a church is a basically a community level social institution and provider of basic community level services.

A reason why Republicans LOVE to toss money to Churches and instead of investing in Government is because Church provide basic needs and can do so based on whatever discriminatory bullshit reasons they want and it can be done at the community level.

I believe the drastic decline in membership can be explained in 3 charts
Take a look at that less than High School line


Now take a look at


Now look at what has replaced the utility provided by Church


Humans are social creatures.
Churches historical provide a social function to communities.
Ministers have been replaced by memes
Church socials have been replaced facebook.
Interpretations and opinions of ancient Arab folk tales read aloud is now some random idiot on youtube telling you how you are going to be shocked and that you should like and subscribe. People in need now can start up a gofundme.
 
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