This is a good trend for the country

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Majes

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It's a little jolting for me to read the hatred and disdain for religion that a lot of people have considering it's been nothing but a positive in my life.

I think it would help a lot if religious people acknowledged there was at least a decent possibility they were wrong.

It's also sad that it's so very easy to see the corruption and hypocrisy of believers, both currently and historically. We preach a perfect standard that none of us can live up to and it's terribly embarrassing and often harmful when we fail.
 

ch33zw1z

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It's a little jolting for me to read the hatred and disdain for religion that a lot of people have considering it's been nothing but a positive in my life.

I think it would help a lot if religious people acknowledged there was at least a decent possibility they were wrong.

It's also sad that it's so very easy to see the corruption and hypocrisy of believers, both currently and historically. We preach a perfect standard that none of us can live up to and it's terribly embarrassing and often harmful when we fail.

Cool, millions don't have the same experience, and millions more are persecuted under the religious boot.
 

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pmv

Lifer
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I love you Moonie.

To the topic, I don't agree this trend is good for the country. Not because of anything having to do with religion mind you, but because of loss of community.

Churches tend to do best where there's a lack of any other form of community. They seem to be a last-resort safety net against the harshness of life. If they are declining it could potentially be because people don't need them as much as they used to.

The reverse might be the case in China, hence they are growing there.
 

dank69

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Of course! As evident by all the DNC memorabilia and liberal/DNC hats you see all over the place.

Do you know you are delusional or do you just try to pretend you don’t know? How many friends and family members stopped talking to you this week?
That just proves Biden sucks and you are embarrassed by him!
That is rather disturbing and creepy.
This is FAR from a one-off. This has permeated your tribe.
 

kage69

Lifer
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That's great news for the country.

Fewer holy rollers fucking over America in order to foist their cult on the rest of us is good thing.

I bet this could have been avoided if the churchies kept to themselves, didn't bring down the wall between church and state. Selling out to a conman sacrilegious by their own standards and reversing their own talking points of the last 60 years proves they are every bit the poseurs and hypocrites we've thought. The support for fascism and their leaders being allowed to sidestep justice is an accelerator for their culture war dumpster fire.

Good riddance, may informed Americans heal the country from what the zealots have allowed to happen.
 

brycejones

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It's a little jolting for me to read the hatred and disdain for religion that a lot of people have considering it's been nothing but a positive in my life.

I think it would help a lot if religious people acknowledged there was at least a decent possibility they were wrong.

It's also sad that it's so very easy to see the corruption and hypocrisy of believers, both currently and historically. We preach a perfect standard that none of us can live up to and it's terribly embarrassing and often harmful when we fail.
As long as you live your faith without trying to force it on others I have no problems. Unfortunately religious conservatives seem to be unable to do this. The desire to dominate the society they are a part of regardless of faith Hindu, Christian, Islam, etc. is overwhelming. They can all fuck off.
 

Homerboy

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Unfortunately, It's being replaced by religious like membership to the Democratic/Liberal political church.


yeah - just completely ignore the Trump truck/boat parades and flag waving nutsos everywhere. That's not a "religious like membership" in any shape way or form. God damn, you people are dense.
 
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ivwshane

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It's a little jolting for me to read the hatred and disdain for religion that a lot of people have considering it's been nothing but a positive in my life.

I think it would help a lot if religious people acknowledged there was at least a decent possibility they were wrong.

It's also sad that it's so very easy to see the corruption and hypocrisy of believers, both currently and historically. We preach a perfect standard that none of us can live up to and it's terribly embarrassing and often harmful when we fail.

The issue isn’t the hypocrisy or the corruption or the failing to live up to what you preach, it’s the preaching that’s the issue.

Stay out of people’s business unless they ask you in. Religion shouldn’t tell others how to live it should help those that are struggling to live.

Religion itself isn’t bad it’s the people who push it that make it bad.
 

Majes

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Stay out of people’s business unless they ask you in. Religion shouldn’t tell others how to live it should help those that are struggling to live.

Religion itself isn’t bad it’s the people who push it that make it bad.

I actually like this a lot. Excellent post!
 

Juiblex

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The issue isn’t the hypocrisy or the corruption or the failing to live up to what you preach, it’s the preaching that’s the issue.

Stay out of people’s business unless they ask you in. Religion shouldn’t tell others how to live it should help those that are struggling to live.

Religion itself isn’t bad it’s the people who push it that make it bad.
Like this post and almost every other one in P&N? Isn't everybody pushing an agenda, opinion, idea, or "way of life?" This isn't just a religious "problem"... Its a people problem. So are you for pushing ideas or opinions or not? Or are you saying that its only your side or your ideas that come from your camp that should be allowed because you've deemed them "acceptable?"

That said, to the OP, this is only a good trend if you are full of hate. If you aren't full of hate, it shouldn't matter to you if someone goes to church or not.
 

pmv

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That said, to the OP, this is only a good trend if you are full of hate. If you aren't full of hate, it shouldn't matter to you if someone goes to church or not.

That seems pretty simplistic. Not to mention a bit hypocritical (you don't see any hate involved in accusing those you disagree with of being "full of hate"?).

There are plenty of reasons why one might see it as a good trend, particularly given the destructive and intensely-political nature of the brand of Christianity that has dominated in the US. The counter-argument is that it's not the only kind of damaging ideology that there is, and it depends what it's being replaced by. Sometimes I think nothing ever improves, it just changes.
 

mect

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Humans are social creatures.
Churches historical provide a social function to communities.
Ministers have been replaced by memes
Church socials have been replaced facebook.
Interpretations and opinions of ancient Arab folk tales read aloud is now some random idiot on youtube telling you how you are going to be shocked and that you should like and subscribe. People in need now can start up a gofundme.

I wish churches could have been replaced by something a little healthier than Facebook. I'd say that's more of a lateral move than progress, unfortunately.
 

dank69

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Like this post and almost every other one in P&N? Isn't everybody pushing an agenda, opinion, idea, or "way of life?" This isn't just a religious "problem"... Its a people problem. So are you for pushing ideas or opinions or not? Or are you saying that its only your side or your ideas that come from your camp that should be allowed because you've deemed them "acceptable?"

That said, to the OP, this is only a good trend if you are full of hate. If you aren't full of hate, it shouldn't matter to you if someone goes to church or not.
There is a difference between pushing policy based on opinions and pushing policy based on solid evidence. Religion falls squarely in the former.
 

Pohemi

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Like this post and almost every other one in P&N?

That said, to the OP, this is only a good trend if you are full of hate. If you aren't full of hate, it shouldn't matter to you if someone goes to church or not.
Fuck off, clown.
 
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mect

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Like this post and almost every other one in P&N? Isn't everybody pushing an agenda, opinion, idea, or "way of life?" This isn't just a religious "problem"... Its a people problem. So are you for pushing ideas or opinions or not? Or are you saying that its only your side or your ideas that come from your camp that should be allowed because you've deemed them "acceptable?"

That said, to the OP, this is only a good trend if you are full of hate. If you aren't full of hate, it shouldn't matter to you if someone goes to church or not.
Once again, conservatives projecting. The reason people are pleased that church membership is declining isn't because people care about if someone goes to church, it is because of what people are taught at church. People are taught to oppress others because of their gender. People are taught to oppress others because of the color of their skin. People are taught to oppress others because of their sexual orientation. People are taught to oppress others because of their gender identity. People are taught to oppress others if their god is different. People are taught to reject science based facts. In other words, a big chunk of what happens in a larger percentage of churches is teaching people to hate.
 

JD50

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Once again, conservatives projecting. The reason people are pleased that church membership is declining isn't because people care about if someone goes to church, it is because of what people are taught at church. People are taught to oppress others because of their gender. People are taught to oppress others because of the color of their skin. People are taught to oppress others because of their sexual orientation. People are taught to oppress others because of their gender identity. People are taught to oppress others if their god is different. People are taught to reject science based facts. In other words, a big chunk of what happens in a larger percentage of churches is teaching people to hate.

Exactly. And even if those people keep their beliefs to themself, they still vote, and that affects us all.
 
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Like this post and almost every other one in P&N? Isn't everybody pushing an agenda, opinion, idea, or "way of life?" This isn't just a religious "problem"... Its a people problem. So are you for pushing ideas or opinions or not? Or are you saying that its only your side or your ideas that come from your camp that should be allowed because you've deemed them "acceptable?"

That said, to the OP, this is only a good trend if you are full of hate. If you aren't full of hate, it shouldn't matter to you if someone goes to church or not.

I would love to see what kind of sermon is preached at your church then review the vile shit you say.
Personally I would have zero fear reviewing my posts with my pastor.
I’m sure he’d give me some feedback regarding love and forgiveness, I’ll accept that.
 

Majes

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Once again, conservatives projecting. The reason people are pleased that church membership is declining isn't because people care about if someone goes to church, it is because of what people are taught at church. People are taught to oppress others because of their gender. People are taught to oppress others because of the color of their skin. People are taught to oppress others because of their sexual orientation. People are taught to oppress others because of their gender identity. People are taught to oppress others if their god is different. People are taught to reject science based facts. In other words, a big chunk of what happens in a larger percentage of churches is teaching people to hate.


I disagree with pretty much all of this... If a church is teaching you to hate others I wouldn't consider it a church any longer...
 

Pohemi

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I disagree with pretty much all of this... If a church is teaching you to hate others I wouldn't consider it a church any longer...
If a church ISN'T pushing veiled hate and division...it might not be based on a religion. Just saying.
 
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