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Kelemvor

Lifer
May 23, 2002
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This is a really old story but glad the ruling came back in his favor.

It's his store so he should be able to put up any signs he want to.

No different than not letting people in restaurants unless they wear a shirt. Is that discriminatory against the homeless who might not have shirts?
 

puffff

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Jun 25, 2004
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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Make sure you follow your own rules if you travel overseas.

I always make an effort to speak the language when I travel overseas. Don't most people? Isn't that exactly why some people buy those phrase books in different languages?

When you're a tourist though, it's reasonable to expect that some places should know english to cater to you. Similarly, I have no problems with our museums and other tourist attractions having signs in japanese or spanish or french or whatever.

The difference is if you're gonna live in that new country. Places like government agencies shouldnt be burdened with the extra cost; if you're going to the DMV to get your driver's license, you better know the local language.
 

Rebasxer

Golden Member
Apr 10, 2005
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My great grandfather got off the boat from Italy and had to learn English. Immigrants should have to learn the native language, but the political correct BS seems to tell us that we need to change our lives to adapt to immigrants. Please, they're coming here.

Oh and I'm not from Philly and even I know that Geno's sucks. Jims or Tony Lukes are far superior and less obnoxious.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Rebasxer
My great grandfather got off the boat from Italy and had to learn English. Immigrants should have to learn the native language, but the political correct BS seems to tell us that we need to change our lives to adapt to immigrants. Please, they're coming here.

Oh and I'm not from Philly and even I know that Geno's sucks. Jims or Tony Lukes are far superior and less obnoxious.

I thought their copius neon lighting was gaudy and and recockulous, and I'd eat at pat's for that reason.
 

qaa541

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Jun 25, 2004
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This is America, please use tolerance. This is an immigrant country, not everyone may be able to speak English when they get here. That sign is in my opinion crass.

Its like if you go to a foreign country and don't speak the language, and you see an equivalent sign, I would be pretty pissed off (and probably leave hungry).
 

Xcobra

Diamond Member
Oct 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Make sure you follow your own rules if you travel overseas.
Exactly. This kind of thing is applauded by the narrow-minded twits.

I don't think you understand the real issue. I live in South Florida so obviously Spanish is everywhere. The real problems occur when you got the Spanish speaking immigrants refusing to even try to speak the language. They get upset whenever they walk into a store and the person they are speaking to only speaks English. They feel it is unfair. They feel that if you live in a city that is multi-lingual then you are in the wrong by not providing them service in their native language. They refuse to try and speak English. These same immigrants will also treat customers who only speak English with less respect and will often provide lesser quality service even if those English speaking customers try to speak their language. Pretty much they come to America in order to get away from their country because of how horrible it is, but they feel as if we are some how forcing our culture on them as they struggle to try and preserve it which sometimes leads to resentment. I can understand wanting to preserve your own culture, but I do not understand wanting to live amongst another culture while rejecting it at the same time. You can't have your cake and eat it too when it comes to that sort of thing and then expect life to be smooth sailing.

Those who at least actively try to make the language barriers work are not a problem. They may never master it themselves, but those are the same immigrants whose children will grow up being very much bi-lingual.

You are right in the fact that most people who don't speak English just stick to their own language. However, these people tend to be the people who come to the country from their country, which is usually older people. Try teaching old dogs some good tricks, same thing applies. You completely dismiss the fact that most kids (at least latinos) speak predominantly English. So in reality from generation to generation their native language is being used less and less. So I think your point is a bit flawed.
 

Xavier434

Lifer
Oct 14, 2002
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Originally posted by: qaa541
This is America, please use tolerance. This is an immigrant country, not everyone may be able to speak English when they get here. That sign is in my opinion crass.

Its like if you go to a foreign country and don't speak the language, and you see an equivalent sign, I would be pretty pissed off (and probably leave hungry).

...or spend the $10 to get one of those small hand books which get you by just fine when it comes to ordering food while you are on your vacation.

There is a big difference between living somewhere and just visiting. I agree with a previous poster who mentioned how we baby the immigrants so much to the point where it kills their motivation to even try and speak English. It makes perfect sense. Why would one try to learn something difficult like another language when they can get by without it despite how difficult it might make things for those who were born in that country?
 

sutahz

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Dec 14, 2007
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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Make sure you follow your own rules if you travel overseas.

There's a difference between visiting a country and taking up residence in a country.
 

LongCoolMother

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Sep 4, 2001
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You're all saying this now, but in 20 years, California's population will be 50%+ Mexican. Then there will be no good fundamental reason they shouldn't implement Spanish as the de facto official language. English is only considered the official language right now because most people speak it. What happens come the time everyone wants to speak Spanish?
 

Xavier434

Lifer
Oct 14, 2002
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Originally posted by: Xcobra

You are right in the fact that most people who don't speak English just stick to their own language. However, these people tend to be the people who come to the country from their country, which is usually older people. Try teaching old dogs some good tricks, same thing applies. You completely dismiss the fact that most kids (at least latinos) speak predominantly English. So in reality from generation to generation their native language is being used less and less. So I think your point is a bit flawed.

I didn't dismiss the future generations. Most of my friends down here consist of those future generations and speak English and Spanish just fine. I just didn't mention them because they obviously do not fall into the category of people who come over here and refuse to try and speak English while rejecting those that only speak it. They were born and raised here and most of their parents worked hard to learn English themselves. These same Hispanic friends of mine also hate the Hispanics I am referring to and that should say something to everyone.

And don't get me started on the old people. Even the old ones that get here legally are annoying because they don't spend hardly any time working in this country yet they still qualify for things like SS.
 

rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
You're all saying this now, but in 20 years, California's population will be 50%+ Mexican. Then there will be no good fundamental reason they shouldn't implement Spanish as the de facto official language. English is only considered the official language right now because most people speak it. What happens come the time everyone wants to speak Spanish?

You say that like California = United States.
 

Xavier434

Lifer
Oct 14, 2002
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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
You're all saying this now, but in 20 years, California's population will be 50%+ Mexican. Then there will be no good fundamental reason they shouldn't implement Spanish as the de facto official language. English is only considered the official language right now because most people speak it. What happens come the time everyone wants to speak Spanish?

You say that like California = United States.

It used too...

Miami is like that too. It might as well be an island off the coast somewhere. There is no other place in the US like it and I mean that in a bad way. They have a nick name for Miami down here. We call it "New Cuba".
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Has there been an official language poll before? Should I start one? I am not a US resident though
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Modelworks
There is a lawsuit right now in North Carolina.
The county office used an automated phone answering system, that had 1 for english, 2 for spanish.
They removed that option and when they did the local latin population filed court papers to make them put it back, and the court agreed.
Instead the county removed the answering system, and replaced it with real people.
So when you call you get a real person answering now, not a machine.
Those people don't speak anything but english.
The county also removed all signs in buildings that were bilingual.

The latin population again took them to court.
The courts said the county was just doing what they did to try to get around the court ruling.
The county is staying firm on their decision.

I understand that its hard for non-english speakers to be here.

But english is the main language and by putting too much support for other languages you lessen the need for non-english speakers to learn english.
What happens when other nationalities demand support ? Do we now have to have signs and phone options for greek, russian, chinese ?

thats awesome, got any links to these stories?

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/15295946.html
People calling Beaufort County offices will no longer have the option of picking the Spanish language.

The commissioners voted Monday night to remove Spanish language assistance and instructions on county phone systems.

Commissioner Hood Richardson says Spanish language translators are still available at county agencies, and he's happy the resolution passed. Richardson says, "There's nothing in the constitution of the U.S. nor in my heritage that says I have to accommodate illegals that invade my privacy my way of life and change the history of my family."

Commissioners also discussed the future process for policy making within the county government when it comes to providing services to illegal aliens.

http://www.beaufortobserver.ne...ish_phone_options.html
February 27, 2008
The Beaufort battle over the use of Spanish messages on county phone systems may soon be a war that engulfs more than a dozen other, similar counties.

Commissioners here have been trying to make Beaufort County less attractive to a flood of Hispanic/Latino illegal immigrants, many of whom tap public resources such as schools, health and social services.

On Feb. 4, commissioners voted 4-3 along party lines to remove pre-recorded Spanish from phones at the Department of Health. But before the week was out, Health Director Roxanne Holloman had found state attorneys in Raleigh who said that could cost the county dearly: More than $1 million in state and federal funding would be lost.

The bureaucrats told her that the absence of a Spanish phone option would be a violation of the Title VI provision of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination based upon national origin.

Hearing that, she consulted with Board of Heath Chairman Betty Jo Tetterton, and an illegal "emergency" board meeting was hastilly called without any public notice.

Board members met on Friday afternoon, Feb. 8, and ? faced with the alleged potential cutoff of major funding ? voted unanimously to keep Espanol on the phones.

While this county was trying to remove Spanish, other nearby and similar counties have never used it.

The Observer and County Manager Paul Spruill conducted separate surveys of similar counties' language policies, though neither knew that the other was investigating the issue.

What became apparent is that, while many counties with sizeable Hispanic/Latino populations do use Spanish on their phones, many others do not. And among those who "no speak Spanish," some are presumably inflicting a far greater negative impact.

U.S. Census estimates from 2006 give Beaufort County a 4% Spanish-speaking population. That means there may have been 1,854 immigrants who could have used Spanish assistance on Health Department phones if none could speak English and every one needed health services.

By contrast, Wilson County had more than double the ratio of Hispanics/Latinos (8.4%) and more than three times the number of Spanish-speaking residents (6,436). Still, a call this week to the Wilson County Health Department found no Spanish among the pre-recorded options.

The same was true for Nash County, which in 2006 had a higher portion of Spanish-speaking population (4.4%) and over twice the number of Hispanic/Latino residents (4,061) than did Beaufort.

Greene County had the sixth-highest H/L portion in the state at 11.5%, and it does have a Spanish message at its Health Department ? but you must know English to get to it! It says, "If you need to hear the following message in Spanish, press one."

Research by Spruill and the Observer found at least a dozen counties similar to Beaufort that have no Spanish-language phone options. They include Edgecombe, Jones, Duplin, Hyde, Martin, Hertford, Pamlico and Carteret.

All these health departments, including Beaufort, provide paid translators for H/L clients. But that, says Raleigh, is not enough.

So why does the state, at Holloman's invitation, put a bull's-eye on Beaufort County?

The Observer asked Terry Hodges, compliance attorney for the N.C. Dept. of Health and Human Services. He's the state's chief Title VI enforcer.

When told of all the others who don't bother with Spanish, he said, "Thank you for letting us know. ... We'll contact the OCR (Office of Civil Rights) about these possible violations."

The Board of Health meets next Tuesday, March 3, to hear from two state experts about language-compliance issues, and some county commissioners say they will be there.

When asked if he would attend, Hodges said, "I don't have the time to go around to 100 county boards of commissioners and convince them of something we already know is true."




So how many people do you have to have before its against the law to not support the language ?
 

soonerproud

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Jun 30, 2007
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Originally posted by: evident
thats messed up. I know how foreigners feel in this country, because when i went to japan and ordered food at a restaraunt, i couldn't speak a lick of japanese and people gave me the funny eye and in some places i felt unwelcome.
the reason why america is so great is because we're open to other cultures and languages. a sign like this is divisive, counterprogressive and retarded, IMO. most immigrants know that they need to learn english, theres no need to rub it in their face. Genos and pats suck anyway, any true philadelphian goes to jims or tony lukes.

Why would you travel to Japan and not at least learn how to conduct basic business in Japanese? Travel to Mexico and leave the tourist areas and you will find they will not provide service in any thing but Spanish.
 

soonerproud

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Jun 30, 2007
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Originally posted by: CPA

If you can read English then you should be able to speak it, doncha ya thing?

Having lived in Phoenix for eight years and being married to a Hispanic woman I can tell you first hand that many immigrants pretend to not understand and read English. In reality they not only understand the language, but can read it as well. This is a game many Hispanics like to play in the Southwest US, my ex-wife included.
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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"There's nothing in the constitution of the U.S. nor in my heritage that says I have to accommodate illegals that invade my privacy my way of life and change the history of my family."

What the hell?
 

Farang

Lifer
Jul 7, 2003
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lol at xenophobes. Spanish majority, English majority, I do not care. Doesn't seem like a difficult language to pick up.
 

EKKC

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May 31, 2005
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theres nothing wrong with that

similar to stores where they say "we speak your language"
this is just to say "we only speak english" but in a mean way.

mean is not discriminatory. a store should not have to go out of its way to learn another language to cater to customers.
 

Ackmed

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Oct 1, 2003
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I think it is crazy (being polite) that there are so many spanish and other signs out. For anything you go thru, you have to select English as the language. This is America, if they cant learn it, or are too lazy to learn it, then they shouldnt be here. Everytime I go to the ATM, I shouldnt have to pick English or Spanish. They should have to learn English, or get out.
 
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