This is American Justice...

bshole

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This little piece of human excrement who tortured, raped, murdered and mutilated an innocent young woman just trying to live her life has had his sentence overruled by a federal judge. Utterly disgusting. The family of Theresa Halback is being victimized all over again.

Brendan Dassey, who was convicted along with his uncle, Steven Avery, in the murder of Teresa Halbach, had that conviction overturned Friday by a federal magistrate judge in Milwaukee.
 

Binarycow

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my professor who was also a lawyer told us a long time ago that you don't go to court to seek justice, you go to see how the law works.
 
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MongGrel

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my professor who was also a lawyer told us a long time ago that you don't go to court to seek justice, you go to see how the law works.

This is very true. I learned that in a roundabout way myself in my early 20's over a minor issue or two involving the UCMJ at the time.
 

bshole

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You are bringing emotion where it doesn't belong.

This family of inbred fuck twits are beneath contempt. This guy is going to be released, do you realize that?! A MOUNTAIN of physical evidence all over the junkyard. A confession from the murderer's own mouth and here we are.... spitting in the face of Theresa Halbachs family because of a DISHONEST Netflix series and a bad judge.

POLICE: OK. Let's start with when you bring her out to the garage. Where do you put her?

DASSEY: On the floor.

POLICE: And continue, tell us what happens.

DASSEY: And then he stabs her and then he tells me to and then he puts her into the jeep and then he said he would rather burn her so then he put her back on the floor and then he shot her five times.

POLICE: Where does he stab her?

DASSEY: In the chest.

POLICE: Show me where.

DASSEY: Like right here.

POLICE: Where do you stab her?

DASSEY: In the stomach.

POLICE: What does she say when you stab her?

DASSEY: To stop what I was doin'.

POLICE: What's that? Is she screaming?

DASSEY: Yeah.

POLICE: Is she screaming and saying stop what you're doing? Is she swearing at you? Is she struggling or what? Tell us how that happened.

DASSEY: Just that she was crying a lot.

POLICE: Are you holding her down?

DASSEY: No.

POLICE: Who is?

DASSEY: Steven is.
 

Jhhnn

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Those who enforce the law must follow it in the course of their duties. Period.

Anything else is an invitation to tyranny.
 
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Not sure why the freak out. If there is ample evidence to convict they can retry him if they choose to. The confession definitely seems questionable.

While you quote one part I suggest looking at the section of his confession about her being shot. He initially said nothing about her being shot until it was fed to him. He then said she was shot once. Three times. Ten times. Was shot in the yard. In her car. Was laying on her back on the floor when she was shot.

If nothing else he deserves a new trial without the tainted confession. You say there is tons of evidence. Let it speak to his guilt. As I remember there wasn't much if any physical evidence linking him.
 

bshole

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Not sure why the freak out. If there is ample evidence to convict they can retry him if they choose to. The confession definitely seems questionable.

While you quote one part I suggest looking at the section of his confession about her being shot. He initially said nothing about her being shot until it was fed to him. He then said she was shot once. Three times. Ten times. Was shot in the yard. In her car. Was laying on her back on the floor when she was shot.

If nothing else he deserves a new trial without the tainted confession. You say there is tons of evidence. Let it speak to his guilt. As I remember there wasn't much if any physical evidence linking him.

Thats what you remember from the series. They did not present the damning evidence.

There was clearly some shady shit here, but I snooped around in various Reddit threads and through some local news reports and found a few pieces of evidence not presented in the docuseries that persuade me that Avery was probably guilty. Some of this was presented at trial, while some of it was excluded in pre-trial motions.

Here's what I found.

-- The documentary said that part of Avery's criminal past included animal cruelty. To my recollection, it didn't specify exactly what that animal cruelty was. I know that for some of our readers, knowing is enough to want to see Avery get the death sentence regardless of whether he murdered Halbach: He doused a cat in oil and threw it on a bonfire (this is not relevant to the murder trial, but it certainly diminishes the sympathy some of us felt for him).

-- Past criminal activity also included threatening a female relative at gunpoint.

-- In the months leading up to Halbach's disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.

-- Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn't want to go out to Avery's trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.

-- On the day that Halbach went missing, Avery had called her three times, twice from a *67 number to hide his identity.

-- The bullet with Halbach's DNA on it came from Avery's gun, which always hung above his bed.

-- Avery had purchased handcuffs and leg irons like the ones Dassey described holding Halbach only three weeks before (Avery said he's purchased them for use with his girlfriend, Jodi, with whom he'd had a tumultuous relationship -- at one point, he was ordered by police to stay away from her for three days).

-- Here's the piece of evidence that was presented at trial but not in the series that I find most convincing: In Dassey's illegally obtained statement, Dassey stated that he helped Avery moved the RAV4 into the junkyard and that Avery had lifted the hood and removed the battery cable. Even if you believe that the blood in Halbach's car was planted by the cops (as I do), there was also non-blood DNA evidence on the hood latch. I don't believe the police would plant -- or know to plant -- that evidence.


http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movie...-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php




The facts against Avery remain overwhelming. Teresa Halbach was at Avery’s property to take photographs for an auto magazine, he was her final appointment of the day and there is no evidence she ever left the property. Avery was the last confirmed person to see her alive.

Let’s pause here for a moment. That would, in the mind of any police officer with a modicum of common sense, make Avery a serious suspect right off the bat. Then her car was found at the Avery family auto salvage yard, his blood and sweat (or some other non-blood DNA) detected in, and on her car, her charred remains discovered on his property, her car key with his DNA (not blood) found at his home and a bullet with her DNA identified in his garage.

The only other case I can recall with this kind of bounty of physical evidence against a defendant where any substantial portion of the public (or a jury for that matter) believed in innocence was, well, O.J. Simpson. And like the Simpson case, there is only one way the defense can explain away that sort of glut of incriminating details, by claiming it was planted by corrupt police officers. But at least in the Simpson case, they had some, albeit far-fetched, explanation for each item of incriminating evidence. Each piece, they argued meticulously, was either planted by shrewd and cunning police officers or mishandled and contaminated by the same team of officers who were simultaneously inept buffoons.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...tely-guilty-dassey-innocent/story?id=36429891
 
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I never watched the series and knew nothing of this case until this thread. I take my opinion from the judges reasoning on the release order.

Again, if there's evidence that Dassey participated they can retry him without the confession. The confession was highly questionable.
 

woolfe9998

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Jaskalas

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It doesn't lie with Brendan who brutally raped and murdered a girl while she BEGGED for her life?

Apparently there were two "suspects" involved. A 25 year old and a learning-disabled 16 year old.
Moreover — unlike Avery, whose conviction was based largely on DNA evidence — no physical evidence linked Dassey to the slaying of Halbach.
 

purbeast0

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I thought the OP was being sarcastic, in multiple posts, but now I see he is being serious.

LOL
 

Moonbeam

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It doesn't lie with Brendan who brutally raped and murdered a girl while she BEGGED for her life?
How could it be. The judge ruled that somebody went around the law to convict him illegally. An illegal conviction is not a conviction and without a conviction there is no punishable guilt. Anybody and everybody can be illegally convicted of anything. The intent of the law is not to convict the guilty only but more to prevent that from happening.
 
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JSt0rm

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How could it be. The judge ruled that somebody went around the law to convict him illegally. An illegal conviction is not a conviction and without a conviction there is no punishable guilt. Anybody and everybody can be illegally convicted of anything. The intent of the law is not to convict the guilty only but more to prevent that from happening.

Its uncomfortable for some people to think that the justice system is flawed. The simple mind likes the black and white yes and no it creates.
 
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justoh

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This netflix show must be really well produced to have inspired this level of foolish passion from the OP.
 

agent00f

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IMO the most revealing part of this whole thing is what the netflix documentary exposes about our legal system through this case is mundane rather than extraordinary.
 

JSt0rm

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IMO the most revealing part of this whole thing is what the netflix documentary exposes about our legal system through this case is mundane rather than extraordinary.

yeah. Its completely fucked from the top down. The illusion is really what people want.
 

GagHalfrunt

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It doesn't lie with Brendan who brutally raped and murdered a girl while she BEGGED for her life?

Other than blatant prosecution misconduct there's not a shred of evidence to suggest that Brendan was involved in any way. If they had a single piece of actual evidence linking him to the crime they would not have had to illegally railroad a retard into a confession.
 

WHAMPOM

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This little piece of human excrement who tortured, raped, murdered and mutilated an innocent young woman just trying to live her life has had his sentence overruled by a federal judge. Utterly disgusting. The family of Theresa Halback is being victimized all over again.
You must mean the conviction that may only be the result of a murder committed by and with planted evidence by members of a vindictive police Department?
Where will your rage be if this comes out?
 

tracerbullet

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I'm not surprised and in agreement with him either getting a new trial or being released. If they can prove he assisted, then he is likely guilty and should be in jail. If everything they have is his confession, which is what I have read is all they have, then I am fine with him being free. I've seen much of that confession, and *in my opinion* he was not confessing to anything, just telling people what they wanted to hear so he could go home.
 
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