THIS IS BS

[TechnoKid]

In california, being in the intersection as the light turns red is not running a red, it is blocking the intersection.

The law, in laymens terms, says that running a red light is crossing the first iteration of lines when the traffic light is red.

If the light is yellow, and you cross the first iteration, and then the light turns red before you can make it to the second iteration of lines (the lines on the other side of the intersection, or say if making a lead arrow left turn), this is not running a red light. All the redlight cameras in stockton and around me are setup to only take picture if somone runs a red as defined previously, not if they are in the intersection while the light is red. None of the right turn/straight lanes have senors setup, because many intersections you can make a right on red if it is safe to do so, so i guess you could "run the red" in the rightmost lane if you really had to.

Oh and in cali, yellow lights are to last a minimum of 4.3 seconds, if i recall correctly. When we first got red light cameras in the state, some were setup with short yellow lights, and many tickets got reimbersed because of this.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
A cop just pulled me over and gave me a ticket for going through a red light. I SWEAR THE LIGHT WAS YELLOW. But now it's just my word against his. Judical process my ass, I'm a victim of a guy in uniform who has a quota to fill. I saw the bright yellow light as I went through the intersection. I would admit if I was wrong, I got a speeding ticket a while back, and I knew I was speeding. But this is just utter bullsh|t. :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

I beat one of those once. Heres what you do.

Find a copy of your states DMV drivers manual. In it it will list stopping distances @ various speeds. If you were going X speed when the light turned yellow it would take Y distance to stop. 99% of the time, to try and stop at the speeds listed in the manual would put you past or in the middle of the intersection. I , however had a ace in the hole. It ALSO states that you MUST stop at a yellow light unless it is unsafe to do otherwise. At the time I was pulled over, I had a LARGE dog in the back of my car, I told the judge that slamming on my brakes would have put the LARGE dog in the FRONT of the car.

He tossed the ticket out!

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
In california, being in the intersection as the light turns red is not running a red, it is blocking the intersection.

The law, in laymens terms, says that running a red light is crossing the first iteration of lines when the traffic light is red.

If the light is yellow, and you cross the first iteration, and then the light turns red before you can make it to the second iteration of lines (the lines on the other side of the intersection, or say if making a lead arrow left turn), this is not running a red light. All the redlight cameras in stockton and around me are setup to only take picture if somone runs a red as defined previously, not if they are in the intersection while the light is red. None of the right turn/straight lanes have senors setup, because many intersections you can make a right on red if it is safe to do so, so i guess you could "run the red" in the rightmost lane if you really had to.

Oh and in cali, yellow lights are to last a minimum of 4.3 seconds, if i recall correctly. When we first got red light cameras in the state, some were setup with short yellow lights, and many tickets got reimbersed because of this.

Too bad, the OP is in New York, where California laws do not apply. And if you think for one moment that you can turn right on a red without stopping, you will be the next dumbass to complain about soime cop giving you as ticket for violating a clearly stated law, to wit, Right turn on red AFTER coming to a complete stop unless marked by signage.

 

[TechnoKid]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: TechnoKid
In california, being in the intersection as the light turns red is not running a red, it is blocking the intersection.

The law, in laymens terms, says that running a red light is crossing the first iteration of lines when the traffic light is red.

If the light is yellow, and you cross the first iteration, and then the light turns red before you can make it to the second iteration of lines (the lines on the other side of the intersection, or say if making a lead arrow left turn), this is not running a red light. All the redlight cameras in stockton and around me are setup to only take picture if somone runs a red as defined previously, not if they are in the intersection while the light is red. None of the right turn/straight lanes have senors setup, because many intersections you can make a right on red if it is safe to do so, so i guess you could "run the red" in the rightmost lane if you really had to.

Oh and in cali, yellow lights are to last a minimum of 4.3 seconds, if i recall correctly. When we first got red light cameras in the state, some were setup with short yellow lights, and many tickets got reimbersed because of this.

Too bad, the OP is in New York, where California laws do not apply. And if you think for one moment that you can turn right on a red without stopping, you will be the next dumbass to complain about soime cop giving you as ticket for violating a clearly stated law, to wit, Right turn on red AFTER coming to a complete stop unless marked by signage.

nice assumption there. Too many times i have almost been hit by cars that do not stop before they make a right turn on a red at an intersection that allows it. I always stop before making a right turn on a red. Making a right turn whitout stopping for a red is running the red, and ticketable. Notice i said in my op "safe to do so" and of course to determine that, you'd need to make a complete stop first. No where did I imply that you make a right turn on a red without stopping first.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
The only fvcking retard here is you who thinks that yellow means it's ok to enter an intersection.

Really. Then why didn't the officer tell me that I got a ticket for entering when the light was yellow? He argued with me and said the light was already red. :roll:

Nice try to deflect the arguement away from the facts and into an emotional arena though, you blowhard crybaby.

Interesting how I am the one deflecting the argument. You are the one who blamed it on Bush. Jeez. Please don't call me a crybaby, you're breaking me heart.

Edit: Actually Your hero (dumbya) reduced resources to local Law Enforcement agencies and INCREASED funding to the new National Police Agency, known as The Homeland Security Agency. That would be the same group of people known as The Transportation Security Agency , who hire from the lowest echelon of applicants.
So I doubt that there was anyone to "pat him on the back" at the station other than a chief a sargent or two and a dispatcher.

Take it to P&N, it has nothing to do with this thread. I'm sure the flaming libs there will welcome you to their circle jerk with open arms.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Funny thing about this town.... The cops claim they don't have quotas....however, they do get some kind of "bonus" incentive for writing a certain number of traffic violations. That's total B.S. that the office would do that. Most cops don't like writing tickets...

 

[Svnla]

If you go to court, it will be your word vs. the cop word so this is what I did. I called the DA and ask him to lower the charge and I would go to traffice school (less casework for him and save him time) and he did.
You still have to go to school and will cost you money and time but no point/insurance surchage.

 

[Modeps]

There's no such thing as a quota.

 

[Gothgar]

I have family in law enforcement, and they DO HAVE A QUOTA...

Especially Highway Patrol and motorcycle cops.

 

[Lawrencetan21]

was he from behind? If he was, it might be his perception. even if the light turns red after you pass but se obly see your car and the light and doesn't know that you had passed the intersection already.

I wonder if you can get a friend to be a witness in court.

 

[IHYLN]

Quotas are unwritten rules in most municipalities. I have several friends who are cops and they won't tell me the specifics but if I ask them about quotas they say they are told to "tighten the belt" around the end of each month *cough*

edit:
Here's a good example of a quota victim, I'll use myself as the example. My fiancee and I are driving down RT-17 N in NJ. This is in Hasbrouck Heights where there is a offramp for another highway and between that offramp and RT-17 is a wedge where there is a Diner where truckers usually go. There are white lines that begin as the road started to split. A lot of people will be in the lane for the offramp to the other highway to cut through traffic and will sometimes end up going through the white lines.

So that particular day I ended up doing the same thing, yes I did go over the white lines breifly and what I missed was the cop parked in front of a semi and pulling people over by the boatloads. I see him literally every month. They give you tickets with no points associated so that way you are more inclined to just pay the fine instead of trying to fight it. That's the key there.

 

Originally posted by: ThePresence
A cop just pulled me over and gave me a ticket for going through a red light. I SWEAR THE LIGHT WAS YELLOW. But now it's just my word against his. Judical process my ass, I'm a victim of a guy in uniform who has a quota to fill. I saw the bright yellow light as I went through the intersection. I would admit if I was wrong, I got a speeding ticket a while back, and I knew I was speeding. But this is just utter bullsh|t. :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

This is what you get for voting for bush .




j/j, this sucks.

 

I've had cops pull me over for this in NY, only one of them gave me an actual ticket for it. I was written up for going through a red light and told to appear in court. So that's what I did, I took it to "trial" in front of the judge and explained my case. The judge said the same thing a few people here have said, and probably along the lines of what you will hear when you go to court as well.
He said that a yellow light means to slow down to prepare for a stop. I said that I was already going through the intersection and if I was to stop I would be close to being in the middle of it when the traffic came from the other way. He said that this is a fairly common occurance and that he will reduce my ticket down.
So it was reduced to a non-moving violation (parking ticket), I paid the fine and left without any points on my license.

 

[bluehorizon]

Originally posted by: shuan24
personally, getting caught for a violation for something you didnt mean to do deserves a rant.

I got a speeding tix last time my girlfriend's family came into town. I was driving her sister's car with kids in it when I got pulled over for speeding. I mean, yes, I did do that, but no, it was not on purpose. It sucks to pay such a hefty fine for an accidental violation. If I was cruising in my sports car speeding knowingly, then yeah, I wouldnt feel as bad about it. I think certain situations deserves a rant.

Uh, how exactly is speeding an "accidental violation"? There's nothing accidental about it? What, did you accidentally push on the gas too hard? Did some kid climb over you and step on the peddle? What a crappy excuse.

 

[GreatBarracuda]

One word.

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
www.ticketassassin.com

dope site, wish I knew about that like 8 years ago...

do they have something like that for Arizona?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Toki
im not disagreeing whether or not you diserve it, put do cops really have a quota?

Quotas are illegal by federal law in any law-enforcement practice.

You probably just got an anal cop on your ass. Challenge it. Tell the judge that the light was yellow, you didn't have time to slow down, and you made a rational driving decision.

Hell no. I'm not about to give excuses that I couldn't slow down. There is nothing in the world wrong with going through a yellow light even if I could slow down.

FWIW, That entirely depends on what state you live in. There are some states where it is illegal to enter the intersection after the light turns yellow.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Toki
im not disagreeing whether or not you diserve it, put do cops really have a quota?

Quotas are illegal by federal law in any law-enforcement practice.

You probably just got an anal cop on your ass. Challenge it. Tell the judge that the light was yellow, you didn't have time to slow down, and you made a rational driving decision.

Bullshit, I have family in law enforcement. They have to account for their hours, x ammount of time for accidents, y ammount of time fr tickets, plus they get in trouble if they don't write enough tickets.

Law enforcement is nothing more than state supported revenue generation who occasionally help with accidents

 

[RagingBITCH]

It probably turned red when you were near the end of driving through that intersection. Get your panties out of a bunch and be a man.

 

[bobalong]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
A cop just pulled me over and gave me a ticket for going through a red light. I SWEAR THE LIGHT WAS YELLOW. But now it's just my word against his. Judical process my ass, I'm a victim of a guy in uniform who has a quota to fill. I saw the bright yellow light as I went through the intersection. I would admit if I was wrong, I got a speeding ticket a while back, and I knew I was speeding. But this is just utter bullsh|t. :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

You're not Elwood Blues are you?

 

[Wolfsraider]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
A cop just pulled me over and gave me a ticket for going through a red light. I SWEAR THE LIGHT WAS YELLOW. But now it's just my word against his. Judical process my ass, I'm a victim of a guy in uniform who has a quota to fill. I saw the bright yellow light as I went through the intersection. I would admit if I was wrong, I got a speeding ticket a while back, and I knew I was speeding. But this is just utter bullsh|t. :|:|:|:|:|:|:|

the law states your rear bumper must clear the intersection completely before it turns red.

Yeah I know I got one too, and I am on probation for a year so it doesn't appear on my record.
Its the same price so plea bargain but I agree its bogus. (requires you to have no infractions in the past 3-5 years though).

I got mine in may in seattle, the fine was 101.00

they changed the wording of the law so be careful.

You (others reading this) could be next.

Mike

 

[BespinReactorShaft]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
always try to stop if you see the yellow, so many people are running lights these days that lots of cities are passing out tickets like candy to get people to be more careful

Agreed. It is a b!tch to keep the discipline though...

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Ready for more?

Solved.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Toki
im not disagreeing whether or not you diserve it, put do cops really have a quota?

Quotas are illegal by federal law in any law-enforcement practice.

You probably just got an anal cop on your ass. Challenge it. Tell the judge that the light was yellow, you didn't have time to slow down, and you made a rational driving decision.

Sorry, but you are WRONG. Cops dont have DIRECT qoutes (i.e. you must pull over at least 500 people this month) but they DO have ratio qoutas (for every 10 people you pull over, 7 must be ticketed.)