This is like how the so-calledBiblical Flood might have happened.

[dennilfloss]

The so-called Biblical Flood is currently thought by some scientists to have been an event that occurred when an isthmus dam broke between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, resulting in a massive flooding of the latter that engulfed communities implanted in its lowlands and imprinted the collective consciousness of many people in the region in the form of a story that got passed along through generations.

In this video the border of an open pit tin mine close to the Indian ocean in Malaysia collapsed and the ocean invaded the lands that were below sea level in a similarly remarkable fashion. The power of the onrushing waters is truly humbling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v_6sFHQO0w

 

[Rakehellion]

Nothing biblical ever happened.

 

[FalseChristian]

It all comes to whether you believe that the Bible is the Word of God or not. If you do than you believe that the Flood happened. If your an evolutionist than no you wouldn't believe in the Bible. I happen to believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God so, yes, the Flood happened Earth-wide.

 

[Anubis]

gigantic may be an understatement for that vid, damn that was huge. was that a pit mine right next to the ocean? liiked to be a hundred foot wall that just imploded

 

[Gibsons]

It all comes to whether you believe that the Bible is the Word of God or not. If you do than you believe that the Flood happened. If your an evolutionist than no you wouldn't believe in the Bible. I happen to believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God so, yes, the Flood happened Earth-wide.

I believe in grammar.

 

[dennilfloss]

gigantic may be an understatement for that vid, damn that was huge. was that a pit mine right next to the ocean? liiked to be a hundred foot wall that just imploded

Yup. Open pit. Started with just a trickle of water then the collapse cascaded.

 

[SagaLore]

It all comes to whether you believe that the Bible is the Word of God or not. If you do than you believe that the Flood happened. If your an evolutionist than no you wouldn't believe in the Bible. I happen to believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God so, yes, the Flood happened Earth-wide.

Which bible?

 

[IronWing]

The so-called Biblical Flood is currently thought by mainstream science to have been an event that occurred when an isthmus dam broke between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, resulting in a massive flooding of the latter that engulfed communities implanted in its lowlands and imprinted the collective consciousness of many people in the region in the form of a story that got passed along through generations.

More likely the event was a local river flood on the Tigris or Euphrates. The Old Testament deals with what happened to the Hebrews. No need to apply larger events to a story derived from a very small world view.

 

[techs]

 

[Crono]

The biblical account makes it pretty clear that it was a worldwide flood, indicating that even the tallest mountains (Mt Ararat is taller than 16,000 feet) were overtaken by the flood, and the amount of time it took for the floodwaters to completely recede was about 7 months.

If you aren't a Christian and want to believe the modern view, that's fine, but don't try and reconcile the story. Either you believe the biblical account or you don't. Don't try to mend it to fit a current theory.

 

[PowerYoga]

in a thousand years people are going to pick up a copy of a harry potter novel and think everyone in the long lost civilization knew how to use magic and had advanced sciences that let them fly around on common household brooms.

Or half naked shining vampires or werewolves or whatever.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

The biblical account makes it pretty clear that it was a worldwide flood, indicating that even the tallest mountains (Mt Ararat is taller than 16,000 feet) were overtaken by the flood, and the amount of time it took for the floodwaters to completely recede was about 7 months.

If you aren't a Christian and want to believe the modern view, that's fine, but don't try and reconcile the story. Either you believe the biblical account or you don't. Don't try to mend it to fit a current theory.

Do you believe in hyperbole? I don't imagine the individuals who wrote the Bible were beyond it. I'm not saying that to be inflammatory or anti-Bible, but I'm just being realistic with humans being the literal authors.

 

[Puppies04]

It all comes to whether you believe that the Bible is the Word of God or not. If you do than you believe that the Flood happened. If your an evolutionist than no you wouldn't believe in the Bible. I happen to believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God so, yes, the Flood happened Earth-wide.

I believe I can fly.

 

[rudeguy]

Nothing biblical ever happened.

if I name 5, will you stop posting forever?

 

[GundamW]

I believe the Biblical Flood happened like I believe the Burning Bush talked...
Or magic underwear...

 

[Crono]

Do you believe in hyperbole? I don't imagine the individuals who wrote the Bible were beyond it. I'm not saying that to be inflammatory or anti-Bible, but I'm just being realistic with humans being the literal authors.

I believe in hyperbole, but hyperbole is obvious. From the writing style and the information given, it is clear that it was meant to convey the account factually. If people want to disbelieve it, that's preferable to trying to manufacture some kind of middle ground and treat the Bible as a children's story where maybe they exaggerated details. Read the passage. The author (presumed to be Moses) gave measurements and days to treat the subject factually, not as an old wives' tale.

A lot of people assume that the Bible to be inaccurate just because they assume anything that old is mostly fables and has a lot of made up material. But if you do the research, you'll find that what can be verified is stunningly accurate.

I'm betting anything some user who thinks he is clever will post a link to any random website claiming to "debunk" the Bible. But if you talk to historians or really take a look at the historical details in the Bible, a lot of it can be verified when you examine broader history of the ancient world, like what is given about Egypt or Assyria. The details that can't be verified are mostly because of how time, conflicts, and natural disasters have decimated various areas in and around Israel, and political reasons also keep some archaeology from being done, but that's no different from investigating any other ancient culture.

For the flood, a lot of people ask the question, "where is the evidence?" And you have to answer the question with a question, "who is doing the research?" And the answer is pretty much no one. Science is informed by the base assumptions you make, and the current modern assumption is that a global flood isn't possible, end of story. If you start of asking the question, "what kind of effects would a global flood have on the planet, and what evidence would it leave behind?", then you start to generate some further interesting questions and potential answers that start to clash with other assumptions made about geology and stratigraphy. But it's much easier for people to scoff and just make assumptions rather than do any work. It's just easier to Google a rebuttal than to challenge the worldview that our society has cemented as unchallengeable in the past century.

I'm not going to respond any more to this thread because in the past I've spent way too much time in unproductive conversations. Why cast pearls before swine. (not meant to be offensive, just saying very few of you would appreciate the back and forth).

 

[BudAshes]

I believe in hyperbole, but hyperbole is obvious. From the writing style and the information given, it is clear that it was meant to convey the account factually. If people want to disbelieve it, that's preferable to trying to manufacture some kind of middle ground and treat the Bible as a children's story where maybe they exaggerated details. Read the passage. The author (presumed to be Moses) gave measurements and days to treat the subject factually, not as an old wives' tale.

A lot of people assume that the Bible to be inaccurate just because they assume anything that old is mostly fables and has a lot of made up material. But if you do the research, you'll find that what can be verified is stunningly accurate.

I'm betting anything some user who thinks he is clever will post a link to any random website claiming to "debunk" the Bible. But if you talk to historians or really take a look at the historical details in the Bible, a lot of it can be verified when you examine broader history of the ancient world, like what is given about Egypt or Assyria. The details that can't be verified are mostly because of how time, conflicts, and natural disasters have decimated various areas in and around Israel, and political reasons also keep some archaeology from being done, but that's no different from investigating any other ancient culture.

For the flood, a lot of people ask the question, "where is the evidence?" And you have to answer the question with a question, "who is doing the research?" And the answer is pretty much no one. Science is informed by the base assumptions you make, and the current modern assumption is that a global flood isn't possible, end of story. If you start of asking the question, "what kind of effects would a global flood have on the planet, and what evidence would it leave behind?", then you start to generate some further interesting questions and potential answers that start to clash with other assumptions made about geology and stratigraphy. But it's much easier for people to scoff and just make assumptions rather than do any work. It's just easier to Google a rebuttal than to challenge the worldview that our society has cemented as unchallengeable in the past century.

I'm not going to respond any more to this thread because in the past I've spent way too much time in unproductive conversations. Why cast pearls before swine. (not meant to be offensive, just saying very few of you would appreciate the back and forth).

This entire statement is beneath you as a rational human being.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

I still can't believe people don't believe the flood happened. You can see here that it did and was recorded for historical purposes.

Thank God (Ea) for telling Utnapishtim to build the ark!

 

[Meghan54]

It all comes to whether you believe that the Bible is the Word of God or not. If you do than you believe that the Flood happened. If your an evolutionist than no you wouldn't believe in the Bible. I happen to believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God so, yes, the Flood happened Earth-wide.

Ok, so how long did it take Noah to cruise around to Australia to deposit the kangaroos, duckbilled platypuses, etc.?

Or, why are certain species of animal only found in certain sections of the world? Pandas, for example. Not found around Europe or N. America.

So, I guess Noah had a V-12 Yanmar diesel engine in the ark?

 

[Iron Woode]

it's pretty obvious that some sort of local flood or cataclysm occurred to some group of people in the ancient middle east.

since many people either died or lost everything they owned and were displaced, word of this horror was spread by word of mouth over many generations. The story changed slightly with each retelling. Eventually the only explanation for it was Divine or God did it. As for why God did it, I am sure it didn't take too long for the religious leaders to blame Godless people and that the flood was God's punishment.

The Biblical flood was nothing more than a collective memory of a natural disaster that was perverted to be an act of God.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

It all comes to whether you believe that the Bible is the Word of God or not. If you do than you believe that the Flood happened. If your an evolutionist than no you wouldn't believe in the Bible. I happen to believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God so, yes, the Flood happened Earth-wide.

Wrong. Plenty of Christians do not believe that. Plenty are also what you call "evolutionists." Its a matter of intelligence and education vs stupidity and ignorance, not Christian (e.g. those that believe the bible is the word of god) vs Non-Christian.

 

[Gibsons]

http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/

 

[Retro Rob]

I believe in hyperbole, but hyperbole is obvious. From the writing style and the information given, it is clear that it was meant to convey the account factually. If people want to disbelieve it, that's preferable to trying to manufacture some kind of middle ground and treat the Bible as a children's story where maybe they exaggerated details. Read the passage. The author (presumed to be Moses) gave measurements and days to treat the subject factually, not as an old wives' tale.

A lot of people assume that the Bible to be inaccurate just because they assume anything that old is mostly fables and has a lot of made up material. But if you do the research, you'll find that what can be verified is stunningly accurate.

I'm betting anything some user who thinks he is clever will post a link to any random website claiming to "debunk" the Bible. But if you talk to historians or really take a look at the historical details in the Bible, a lot of it can be verified when you examine broader history of the ancient world, like what is given about Egypt or Assyria. The details that can't be verified are mostly because of how time, conflicts, and natural disasters have decimated various areas in and around Israel, and political reasons also keep some archaeology from being done, but that's no different from investigating any other ancient culture.

For the flood, a lot of people ask the question, "where is the evidence?" And you have to answer the question with a question, "who is doing the research?" And the answer is pretty much no one. Science is informed by the base assumptions you make, and the current modern assumption is that a global flood isn't possible, end of story. If you start of asking the question, "what kind of effects would a global flood have on the planet, and what evidence would it leave behind?", then you start to generate some further interesting questions and potential answers that start to clash with other assumptions made about geology and stratigraphy. But it's much easier for people to scoff and just make assumptions rather than do any work. It's just easier to Google a rebuttal than to challenge the worldview that our society has cemented as unchallengeable in the past century.

I'm not going to respond any more to this thread because in the past I've spent way too much time in unproductive conversations. Why cast pearls before swine. (not meant to be offensive, just saying very few of you would appreciate the back and forth).

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Which bible?

Does it matter, they're all bullshit.


The bible is just a collection of bad folklore and myths collected and retold in a giant game of telephone over thousands of years. Some of the stories have a grain of truth in them that's been distorted over thousands of re-tellings. Of course there was no biblical flood and anyone that thinks there was is a giant idiot. But the biblical flood myth is almost certainly based on some shred of reality. Maybe it was a giant natural dam collapse like that in the OP, maybe it was a volcano which blew apart in a narrow bay that created a mega-tsunami like the one in Lituya Bay Alaska, hell, maybe it was just a fluke rainstorm that completely inundated one isolated river valley and wiped out dozens of small villages on the same river. In those days the "whole world" was your own village, the one upstream and the one downstream as people didn't travel farther than that. Any flood on that river would impact EVERY village in the known world and *presto*, a myth of a global catastrophe is born.

 

[Jeff7]

Do you believe in hyperbole? I don't imagine the individuals who wrote the Bible were beyond it. I'm not saying that to be inflammatory or anti-Bible, but I'm just being realistic with humans being the literal authors.

"I once caught a fish that was thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis big."

it's pretty obvious that some sort of local flood or cataclysm occurred to some group of people in the ancient middle east.

since many people either died or lost everything they owned and were displaced, word of this horror was spread by word of mouth over many generations. The story changed slightly with each retelling. Eventually the only explanation for it was Divine or God did it. As for why God did it, I am sure it didn't take too long for the religious leaders to blame Godless people and that the flood was God's punishment.

The Biblical flood was nothing more than a collective memory of a natural disaster that was perverted to be an act of God.

And in that time period, I'm sure if you saw something like the meteor that streamed in over Chelyabinsk earlier this year, or even just caught it over the horizon, and then a time later the ocean decided to take a little vacation several miles inland, survivors and anyone just outside the affected zone would certainly have some interesting stories to tell.


And besides that, yes, you'll have flood myths here and there around the planet. These things happen. This planet isn't particularly friendly to its inhabitants. Even its small shufflings of its crust, maybe shifting a sizable slab of rock by 40 feet over the course of a few minutes, virtually nothing compared to a planet that's about 42 million feet in diameter, can easily be seen by us as a severe and devastating earthquake. If those shufflings happen to be under the thin film of water coating some of Earth, the gentle sloshing that results can also kill tens or hundreds of thousands of people.