Who came up with that bull shit? It just makes the legal system take sooo long.Just round up anyone being investigated and the people they know and throw them in jail.
They are not here illegally until a court says so, because in the United States you are assumed innocent until proven guilty.
Most strongman leaders are childlike. Fascism and authoritarianism are how spoiled brats would run things, if they could.No, I didn’t miss the point. For all the alarmism about fascism, Trump has failed to implement one policy that even sets us on the path. The courts either slap him down or he blinks under public pressure.
He’s not much of a strong man. More of a flailing child.
I never claimed otherwise, our checks and balances are the reason why Trump is relatively containedMost strongman leaders are childlike. Fascism and authoritarianism are how spoiled brats would run things, if they could.
But thanks for agreeing with me that the checks and balances of the Constitution are one of the things that make America exceptional, and not like 'any other country.'
I never claimed otherwise, our checks and balances are the reason why Trump is relatively contained
We also can’t ignore how we came to this point. The immigration debate would be a moot point if previous Presidents demonstated the courage and leadership to assert themselves rather than kick the can down the road.You are right and how sad is it that we need to "contain" Presidents so they do not destroy the rule of law and the Constitution itself by substituting himself for them.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/politics/immigration-border/index.html
Don't recall the same outrage when Obama said we'd send them back if they made it. Funny how that works.
The White House is promising due process, but Obama said on Wednesday that most would likely go back.
and laws and the Constitution do not concern him all that much. Worse perhaps is that it doesn't Republicans in Congress either. Between the two they have considerable power to harm and embrace it under the guise of patriotism.
How is exactly is this illegal status determined without a court hearing or similar legal proceeding?
Jump shift to completely unrelated events & bothsiderism, huh?Replace vile one with Obama, and Repubs with Democrats. And it was the same when the previous president was assassinating U.S. citizens, including teenagers. Certainly did not bother the Dems in Congress. Just like no one was held accountable by the Dems for the illegal invasion and slaughter in Iraq done by the Repubs. (While it was happening, there were great outcries by the Dems, but of course that was only for political reasons). They are the same class, Ds and Rs, and you do not prosecute your own guys, because they would then do the same to you.
Look, what is happening with the children and all, it is quite ghastly. But for the Professional Left to take the moral high ground and do this gnashing of the teeth, cry about the law and morality, it is well......quite booooring!!
We also can’t ignore how we came to this point. The immigration debate would be a moot point if previous Presidents demonstated the courage and leadership to assert themselves rather than kick the can down the road.
America is not the first nation that Central American refugees encounter in their journey north. Furthermore, what if we were to simply facilitate these refugees traveling even further north, as Mexico does, to Canada. How long before the Canadien system gets overwhelmed, or it causes cultural clashes to the extent that Trump candidate emerges in Canada. It already happened in Italy, Poland, Austria and the Czech Republic. It’s starting to happen in Germany.
Jump shift to completely unrelated events & bothsiderism, huh?
Replace vile one with Obama, and Repubs with Democrats. And it was the same when the previous president was assassinating U.S. citizens, including teenagers. Certainly did not bother the Dems in Congress. Just like no one was held accountable by the Dems for the illegal invasion and slaughter in Iraq done by the Repubs. (While it was happening, there were great outcries by the Dems, but of course that was only for political reasons). They are the same class, Ds and Rs, and you do not prosecute your own guys, because they would then do the same to you.
Look, what is happening with the children and all, it is quite ghastly. But for the Professional Left to take the moral high ground and do this gnashing of the teeth, cry about the law and morality, it is well......quite booooring!!
Serious question, are you trying to say that this makes what is going on now okay? Because what you are doing here is making excuses for it. Why not oppose it when it is happening, every time it is happening?
No it is not ok at all. What is happening is wrong. What is also wrong is the D party trying to gain political advantage through it.
As a side note. The law that allows indefinite detention of American citizens within America without being charged (that is, to be kidnapped by the govt) was signed by Obama into law. It was recently renewed. Rand Paul came up with an amendment to remove that part from the law. His amendment did not even get a vote.
I completely reject this notion that Democrats are somehow more receptive to civil liberties in this country.
This may be legal.....http://time.com/5320551/trump-immediate-deportation-no-court-hearing/
Courts have already ruled that this is unconstitutional, but that's not important it would seem.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daniel...ect-non-citizens-judges-say-yes/#56ea78ae4f1d
Why? Opposing it gives them political advantage. There is really no way around that. They have basically three options, oppose it and get political advantage, endorse it and give the Republicans a political advantage, or passively allow it and let something wrong continue so that they don't look biased. Your argument here is basically that because they are stand to gain from doing the right thing it undermines the fact that they are doing the right thing. You are wrong. The right thing to do is the right thing to do, no matter if they get something out of it or not.
The law you are talking about is the National Defense Authorization Act. The Republicans forced that addition on the bill (which was first added in 2007 under Bush) and Obama had no choice but to sign it or defund the military during a war. Obama made a speech at the time that he did not like it, and even the days before the final vote threated to veto the bill over it, but ultimately decided that defunding the military was not a winning proposition.
You are blaming the Democrats because they are not fanatical enough to burn the entire country down to get their way. They consider the cost, while the Republicans are willing to burn it all down to win.
Then you have no been paying attention. It is the Democrats that again and again are fighting for your civil liberties when the Republicans try to take them away. The Republicans are only really big on the 2nd amendment (which I admit the Democrats are not). The rest they only defend when it is convenient to them.
Yeah, because they're exactly the same in their disdain for, and actively working against, the rule of law, democracy, long standing allies, organized world trade, and so on, and so on, and so on. Good call.
I might agree with you if America was a Democracy, but it isnt. So meh.
The principles of egalitarian democracy are the bedrock of our political system. We've never done that perfectly.
It's Obama's more perfect union against dishonesty & greed.
I might agree with you if America was a Democracy, but it isnt. So meh.
Good for you my little pedant. Enjoy the trip as your country swirls down the shiny porcelain while the rest of the world hopes you don't drag the rest of us down with you.
Yup, its perfectly OK for Republicans to rip apart families because Obama deported people and the Republicans never approved, disapproved, or even acknowledged it.https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/politics/immigration-border/index.html
Don't recall the same outrage when Obama said we'd send them back if they made it. Funny how that works.
They lied. Because they were ashamed to be losers. And they are still lying to this day. Even though they think they are winners.Funny because thats what the right said when Obama was in office LOL
Must be miserable to be you...
I wouldnt call it "a bedrock". Sure, there are pieces of egalitarian democracy that ARE part of our Republic, i.e. the idea that any basic right or freedom to which all human beings are entitled are afforded. However, there are many examples of egalitarian democracies gone very wrong, and morphed into mob rule (i.e. a Democracy). Greece is a good example.