This is why fast food workers dont get paid 15 bucks an hour

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Lifer
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What gets me is that lots of people complain this but a topic near and dear to my hear is tips. A lot of waiters in mid class restaurants make $40-50 an hour.

Is their labor really worth that much money? I think not. They don't work any harder than a burger flipper or the cooks at the restaurant who get paid $9 an hour.

Something something capitalism and I reserve the right to get better service if I bribe my waiter more?
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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What gets me is that lots of people complain this but a topic near and dear to my hear is tips. A lot of waiters in mid class restaurants make $40-50 an hour.

Is their labor really worth that much money? I think not. They don't work any harder than a burger flipper or the cooks at the restaurant who get paid $9 an hour.

People working as waiters and waitresses do give you more service/effort than someone working a burger-flipping job.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
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lol, $50 an hour?! Where the hell is this, some upscale restaurant in San Fran where the housing would eat up nearly all of that or something? This must also be where teachers rake in $300,000 a year and drive BMW's on their way to and from the mansion to public school. :hmm:
 

mvbighead

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Apr 20, 2009
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Probably should look towards countries that do have a $15 an hour minimum wage like Australia.

1) No one leaves tips.
2) It enables people to pay for College/University to open up new possibilities for a career.
3) Higher wages, more disposable income, people spend more money, the wheels of the economy turn.
4) Other jobs that are seen as more "valuable" typically increase in the amount of wages paid.
5) You only pay an extra 50-70 cents for a Big Mac, whilst opening up possibilities for those workers.
6) American minimum wages have been stagnant for decades, despite inflation, a dollar today is worth less than a dollar 10 years ago... Thus an hours work today is worth less than it is 10 years ago. - In 1970 the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour. Today if you account for inflation... Would be worth $10.71. Instead it's $7-$9 in most states. Why? Because a few people are worried about a few cents extra on unhealthy food?

I've long believed that capitalism has some major flaws. For starters, if the person who owns the business can pay workers diddly to maximize profits, why wouldn't they? If they can continue to rake in more and more, and even raise prices along the way, but keep income low, more and more money spills into their pockets.

And to your points about more expensive Big Macs/etc, I simply cannot see how that'd be a problem for ANYONE. We went from $4/gal gas to $1.80/gal and also went the other way around. Several years back, it would cost close to $80 or more to fill a full sized truck, and people still did it. Now it costs much closer to $40. Those fluctuations in price may sway the opinion or choice of a minority of a group, but by and large people are stilling going to buy what they can when they can. And if they have more money to do it, more stuff will be bought.

My wife pointed out the other day that they did the stimulus package a while ago, and most Americans simply paid off debt so not a lot went into the economy. And the rationale being that giving the lower/middle class more money won't necessarily boost the economy. My thought there is simply that they were already getting screwed over for years and many started building a collection of debt to get by, and did the reasonably smart thing that they could by paying it off when they got that money. The country really needs years of decent wages for the lower and lower/middle class to see an economic boost. If you keep giving wealthy people more money... well, they'll spend some, but they'll likely save quite a bit also.

At the end of the day, a low minimum wage simply ensures that the upper percentile can continue to maximize their income on their business. To some extent, I see that as being necessary for them to keep the business moving forward. But to a larger extent, it really just seems like all anyone with money does is maximize their income while shitting on whoever they can to do it.

Hell, I'm not really in that lower/middle class, and I am seeing some of the same from the business I work for. Largely successful, highly profitable, but structured raises of 3%. I shouldn't bitch about 3% cause it is likely more than others get, but at the same time, you don't boast about record years and continue to hand out nothing in terms of raises and expect people to be happy about it.
 

Staples

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Oct 28, 2001
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Something something capitalism and I reserve the right to get better service if I bribe my waiter more?

I do live in the Bay Area and the restaurants are usually packed.

We are talking Olive Garden, not something super expensive.
 

TwiceOver

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Dec 20, 2002
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If the Federal Minimum Wage were raised to $15/hr most every business in my town would eventually close up shop.

That's higher pay than most factory jobs here.

"Living" wage as some like to call it is highly dependent on location. $11-$12/hr here is a pretty damn good wage, but wouldn't rent you a broom closet in NYC.
 

sportage

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Feb 1, 2008
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Frankly, $15 is on the low scale when you consider how long the wage has been stuck at $7.25, and how long salaries in general have been flatlined.
Then toss into the mix of facts companies are afraid their taxes along with paying a higher wage will bankrupt them. But employers fail to consider one of the reasons why they pay those high taxes in the first place.
Simply because so many $7.25 wage earners also qualify for assistance, food stamps, housing, all of which comes out of that employers profits in the form of even higher business taxes.

If the employer paid a decent wage of $15, that would lead to a huge drop in the need for taxpayer funded public assistance. That employer would pay $15 but also see a reduction in their own company taxes, plus increased profits
Happy employees trickles down to better business.

The trickle down theory of Reaganomics always has trickled the wrong way.
And it has never worked.
Instead, try trickling from the other end.
Any employee not having to rely on a low wage plus assistance to survive would improve both the employee and the employers bottom line.

We've tried trickling down the republican way for many long years through many long republican presidencies, and where has it gotten us?
That lead to a Bernie Sanders message, popular to the masses as biblical scripture.
And has lead to a Donald Trump message, appealing to a crowd that like Sanders supporters feel they have been screwed royally by the system.

It's too bad those Trump republicans are so confused and misplace their anger.
Blame the poor. Blame the immigrant. Blame the women. Blame the gays.
The greed of wealth and Reaganomics has devastated society.
And has confused and divided a lot of people that frankly share the same pain in common.

We all know the solution.
Reject more of the same promised by republicans towards their confused electorate.
Embrace the old fashion American concept that Bernie Sanders has preached.
We're all in this together. And we can do this.
And frankly, getting this right is not that hard to do.
Much easier than what we went through to win WWII, much easier than defeating Nazi Germany, and much easier than recovering from the great depression.
We all know what needs to be done, and people can get it done.
Making America great again is not just some mindless empty promised Donald Trump BS-ed plan.
America has always been great when we all stuck together and had a desire to separate the bull from the truth.

And The Home Of The Brave
 

Dr. Zaus

Lifer
Oct 16, 2008
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If the Federal Minimum Wage were raised to $15/hr most every business in my town would eventually close up shop.

That's higher pay than most factory jobs here.

"Living" wage as some like to call it is highly dependent on location. $11-$12/hr here is a pretty damn good wage, but wouldn't rent you a broom closet in NYC.

This is why the states should set wages and cities should be free to set wages. This way they can adjust to the local market for what would be needed for two full-time workers to raise 3 kids.
 
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