Originally posted by: Turin39789
ooh boy a militarized culture!
Originally posted by: fallenangel99
I think all women (ages 18-25 lets say) in U.S. should go through training like the Israeli girls.. wow!
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
What I was trying to address is Amused's comment that Israel's army is the best in the world, which I think is unfounded.
Then you are utterly ignorant of Israel's history.
And not the "best in the world" period. The best "man for man."
I'm talking about now, not the past. What "man for man" comes down to is that with an equal number of troops, Israel's army would be superior to every other army in the world. Please back up that statement for the present; I don't care about 30-50 years ago.
Wow. I'll tell you what, why not go get educated and get back to me.
That's a wonderful argument, thank you.
It would take pages and days for me to explain to you why Israel's army is the most respected for it's size. Why not educate yourself instead of expecting me to do it for you?
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Amused is correct in his assertion, Israel's army is man for man, woman for woman one of the best fighting forces, if not THE best. They have to be to continue to survive. As for Arab aggression.... just look up Israel's history and you'll see that since the partition of Palestine they've been fighting to survive. A few times they took on multiple enemy states simultaneously and soundly defeated them all.
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Amused is correct in his assertion, Israel's army is man for man, woman for woman one of the best fighting forces, if not THE best. They have to be to continue to survive. As for Arab aggression.... just look up Israel's history and you'll see that since the partition of Palestine they've been fighting to survive. A few times they took on multiple enemy states simultaneously and soundly defeated them all.
Like I said earlier, I think that would've been a supportable position 30 years ago. However, after their Lebanon performance, I don't think it is any longer. Don't get me wrong, they still have a very good army, it's just that claiming they're undeniably better, man for man, than the US or UK armies is absurd at this point.
As I pointed out earlier, the "man for man" argument is essentially this: Given a fixed number of troops, Israel has the best army in the world. In other words, if you took say 50,000 Israeli soldiers and 50,000 US soldiers, the Israelis would be better. No one has yet supported this claim. Again, this might've been true 30 years ago, but I don't think it is in the last five. If you think it is, make an argument for it.
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: purbeast0
I expected some hot israeli chicks
Text
what part of "hot" didn't you understand?
This isnt hot?
Originally posted by: freshgeardude
i think israel is the best army for its size. if u shrunk the US to its size and had the it surrounded by its enemies from EVERY side the US would never make it. look at the six day war, its name explains it all they won a WAR(emphasizing the word war) in six days and had the possibility to destroy Cairo and Damuscus if they had the order to. some say they one it in 6 hours because the destroyed the egyptian air force before the planes left the ground. and on top of that during the independence war a bunch of non-trained holocaust survivers defeated 7 arab army nations. they had little ammo, guns, planes, tanks, or anything. but guess what they still are here even though the arab nations yelled out to the world that they will wipe out israel from the face of the earth.
Originally posted by: Amused
Judging them by the recent incident in Lebanon is like judging the US because of Somalia or the USSR because of Chechnya and Afghanistan.
You cannot judge a military by one failed mission, but by the bulk of their successes.
Not to mention limited wars ALWAYS fail. If WWII and the following wars taught us anything, it is that only total war is winnable.
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Judging them by the recent incident in Lebanon is like judging the US because of Somalia or the USSR because of Chechnya and Afghanistan.
You cannot judge a military by one failed mission, but by the bulk of their successes.
Not to mention limited wars ALWAYS fail. If WWII and the following wars taught us anything, it is that only total war is winnable.
If my memory serves me, the US has been involved in a very similar situation (fighting a limited war against insurgents/guerrilla fighters) in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years now. Why are these not comparable to the war with Lebanon?
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Judging them by the recent incident in Lebanon is like judging the US because of Somalia or the USSR because of Chechnya and Afghanistan.
You cannot judge a military by one failed mission, but by the bulk of their successes.
Not to mention limited wars ALWAYS fail. If WWII and the following wars taught us anything, it is that only total war is winnable.
If my memory serves me, the US has been involved in a very similar situation (fighting a limited war against insurgents/guerrilla fighters) in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years now. Why are these not comparable to the war with Lebanon?
Who said they weren't? But in a way, they are not. The governments of Iraq and Afghanistan have been overthrown.
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Israel has created an empire in under 60 years.. all while surrounded by enemies who seek to utterly destroy them. israel is the most amazing country i've ever seen.
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: Amused
Judging them by the recent incident in Lebanon is like judging the US because of Somalia or the USSR because of Chechnya and Afghanistan.
You cannot judge a military by one failed mission, but by the bulk of their successes.
Not to mention limited wars ALWAYS fail. If WWII and the following wars taught us anything, it is that only total war is winnable.
If my memory serves me, the US has been involved in a very similar situation (fighting a limited war against insurgents/guerrilla fighters) in Iraq and Afghanistan for several years now. Why are these not comparable to the war with Lebanon?
Who said they weren't? But in a way, they are not. The governments of Iraq and Afghanistan have been overthrown.
My point was that the US and Israeli armies can be compared based on their success against Islamic insurgents in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Lebanon, respectively. I don't think Israel did any better than the US has done.
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Israel has created an empire in under 60 years.. all while surrounded by enemies who seek to utterly destroy them. israel is the most amazing country i've ever seen.
Yeah, with over $100 billion in US aid, and I'd hardly call it an empire.
Edit: I can't remember whether that figure is inflation adjusted or not. Even so, it's a ton of money.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mrkun
Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
Israel has created an empire in under 60 years.. all while surrounded by enemies who seek to utterly destroy them. israel is the most amazing country i've ever seen.
Yeah, with over $100 billion in US aid, and I'd hardly call it an empire.
Edit: I can't remember whether that figure is inflation adjusted or not. Even so, it's a ton of money.
And the USSR and French gave it's neighbors just as much aid, if not more.
It isn't an empire (the Israelis never kept the lands it has won in it's many wars), but it is amazing.
Originally posted by: Amused
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Go look for expert opinions on the Israeli army. Get educated on it's history, training and accomplishments. There is a reason why most military experts regard the Israeli army as the best there is. Find out why.
You're wrapped up in debating me and missing out on real knowledge here.