This is why Obama can’t make a deal with Republicans

[Oldgamer]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-why-obama-cant-make-a-deal-with-republicans/

 

[glenn1]

This isn't deal making time, that ship has sailed. Obama needs to realize that cuts are now baked in with the sequester, the only "negotiation" is how the cuts will be made, not if. Basically this is the mirror image of the tax increase debate from the beginning of the year where the GOP had nothing to negotiate but the size of the tax increase.

 

[Screech]

This is, IMHO, the logical place you will end up if your party votes for a guy who "wouldn't let his campaign be dictated by fact-checkers." The republicans in congress have been arguing with an asshole in the white house who won't negotiate with them at all, which is funny because that guy is imaginary.

Re ^ above: agreed, but of course, the what will get cut discussion is something congress at some point has to come together on -- and if they refuse to even discuss what has already been offered, we aren't off to a very good start....

 

[HeXen]

I don't keep up much in politics, but Obama looks like he's still campaigning to me.

 

[Moonbeam]

We are back to requiring comments I believe
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The important point in my opinion is this:

Upton Sinclair’s famous line: “It is impossible to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on not understanding it.”

What neuroscience shows us it that conservatives rationalize when reality causes them to feel emotional pain, that a preference for an altered reality outweighs their ability to deal with reality as it is. This makes them not only dangerous to the general community but total assholes to deal with.

 

[Jaskalas]

This is why Obama can’t make a deal with Republicans

Because he already achieved his revenue increases in January. Now he demands more. Tell Obama to shut up and cut.

Democrats in the Senate are killing a Republican proposed bill that would give Obama authority to choose the cuts himself.

 

[trenchfoot]

The gist of the article? From what I get, the Repub leadership is protecting the rich no matter what else happens to the country. They even sold out their own loyal middle class and poor constituents to keep those cherished loopholes and subsidies from getting axed.

The rich showered untold millions and millions of $$$ on our legislators to corrupt them into sliding these golden eggs into law, so I guess these thoroughly corrupted legislators had to take a "courageous" stand to defend the rich or get their magic carpet ride pulled right out from under them.

The lame ass excuses these Repub legislators have been coming up with only makes them look worse day after day. I'd be surprised if polls blame Obama more than the Repubs up on the hill for why the sequestration got kicked in.

In some ways I really do feel a little pinch of sympathy for the Repub leadership, as their stance to staunchly defend the rich whilst demanding cuts in and privatizing of social assistance programs make them ever more unpopular amongst the majority working class. This realization has been crystalizing ever since Obama took office, and it looks like Obama is capitalizing on it with good effect.

 

[glenn1]

The gist of the article? From what I get, the Repub leadership is protecting the rich no matter what else happens to the country. They even sold out their own loyal middle class and poor constituents to keep those cherished loopholes and subsidies from getting axed.

The rich showered untold millions and millions of $$$ on our legislators to corrupt them into sliding these golden eggs into law, so I guess these thoroughly corrupted legislators had to take a "courageous" stand to defend the rich or get their magic carpet ride pulled right out from under them.

The lame ass excuses these Repub legislators have been coming up with only makes them look worse day after day. I'd be surprised if polls blame Obama more than the Repubs up on the hill for why the sequestration got kicked in.

In some ways I really do feel a little pinch of sympathy for the Repub leadership, as their stance to staunchly defend the rich whilst demanding cuts in and privatizing of social assistance programs make them ever more unpopular amongst the majority working class. This realization has been crystalizing ever since Obama took office, and it looks like Obama is capitalizing on it with good effect.

You and Obama are stuck on the conversation from 2 months ago. Obama already shot his wad on tax increases and we're now on the spending cut discussion. If Obama (or you) thought there would be multiple tax hike measures passed that's quite frankly delusional.

 

[Agent11]

We are back to requiring comments I believe
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The important point in my opinion is this:

Upton Sinclair’s famous line: “It is impossible to make a man understand something if his livelihood depends on not understanding it.”

What neuroscience shows us it that conservatives rationalize when reality causes them to feel emotional pain, that a preference for an altered reality outweighs their ability to deal with reality as it is. This makes them not only dangerous to the general community but total assholes to deal with.

Personally I find generalizing an ideology and attributing every motivation that it encompasses to a specific cognitive reflex a bit absurd.

 

[Engineer]

Deal back on???

Obama offers to cut safety nets: http://news.yahoo.com/spending-cut-...s-second-term-agenda-025029989--business.html

 

[K1052]

Deal back on???

Obama offers to cut safety nets: http://news.yahoo.com/spending-cut-...s-second-term-agenda-025029989--business.html

It's looking like a more extensive deal could come together. A government shutdown is unlikely to be favorable to the Republicans after all the tough talk about making hard cuts enables Obama to hang the blame on them. A repeat of the poltically damaging mid 90s shutdown is not what doctor ordered for a party still reeling from a disastrous election and internal strife.

 

[Ferocious]

If the GOP would agree to closing the tax loop holes for the wealthy then Obama would have to agree to some cuts.

But the GOP must be under orders not to.

 

[Moonbeam]

Personally I find generalizing an ideology and attributing every motivation that it encompasses to a specific cognitive reflex a bit absurd.

But you have no problem at all generalizing that I did that or were you speaking in generalities? Perhaps when you gain some critical thinking skills you will realize that what I did was state the scientific evidence gathered and established in the literature which gives validation to the Sinclair quote, that each piece of data were of a specific and narrow kind, that they fit like a hand and glove. But then if you were able to reason..... well you know....

 

[monovillage]

"Besides his online contributions, Klein worked on Howard Dean's primary campaign in Vermont in 2003"

JournoList Ezra Klein? Yeah, I'm going to trust anything that Democrat has to say politically about Republicans.

 

[cubby1223]

I don't get it...

Why are there so many articles being written in papers and blogs, amongst some of the more respected outlets, saying this issue is something to be resolved between Obama and Congressional Republicans? There is a third piece here, the elected Democrats, who have just as equal a say in what happens as do Congressional Republicans.

Or are the journalists purposefully leaving the Democrats who are up for re-election out of the story-lines?

 

[cubby1223]

Deal back on???

Obama offers to cut safety nets: http://news.yahoo.com/spending-cut-...s-second-term-agenda-025029989--business.html

I don't know why I laughed at this part of the article...

As the budget battles rage on in Washington, sources said Obama plans to nominate on Monday Sylvia Mathews Burwell to head to White House Office of Management and Budget. A veteran of the Bill Clinton White House, Burwell is president of the Walmart Foundation, which handles the corporation's charitable efforts.

 

[ivwshane]

JournoList Ezra Klein? Yeah, I'm going to trust anything that Democrat has to say politically about Republicans.

That's fine, Ezra definitely leans left but being the bright guy you are I'm sure you could easily dismiss that facts he presented, which were;

A) Republicans said a deal could be made if Obama uses chained cpi and have some beneficiaries pay higher rates.
B) Obama agreed to both of those items
C) republicans moved the goal post again and said no tax increase stops all negotiations.

I'll wait while you refute those claims and I'm sure your sources will meet you bias standards as well.

 

[ivwshane]

Here are the facts:

Republicans said they would be ok with closing tax loopholes.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ak-tax-pledge-for-sake-looming-fiscal-crisis/

Now they are against it.

They asked for chained CPI and higher payments by some users and Obama agreed.
Republicans then said that's not enough.

So basically no deal can be made because republicans can't agree in something they agreed on in the past.

The American people aren't fooled.

 

[Moonbeam]

JournoList Ezra Klein? Yeah, I'm going to trust anything that Democrat has to say politically about Republicans.

You know perfectly well that because of your brain defect you could trust almost anybody over yourself. But, of course, the reason you're fucked is because you can't see this.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here are the facts:

Republicans said they would be ok with closing tax loopholes.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ak-tax-pledge-for-sake-looming-fiscal-crisis/

Now they are against it.

They asked for chained CPI and higher payments by some users and Obama agreed.
Republicans then said that's not enough.

So basically no deal can be made because republicans can't agree in something they agreed on in the past.

The American people aren't fooled.

He patiently explained to the brain dead.

 

[glenn1]

Here are the facts:

Republicans said they would be ok with closing tax loopholes.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ak-tax-pledge-for-sake-looming-fiscal-crisis/

Now they are against it.

They asked for chained CPI and higher payments by some users and Obama agreed.
Republicans then said that's not enough.

So basically no deal can be made because republicans can't agree in something they agreed on in the past.

The American people aren't fooled.

That was the GOP concession from the last argument, which Obama "won" by getting his tax increase. This is a different argument, and Obama can't simply recycle his previous bargaining position having pocketed the tax increase.

 

[ivwshane]

That was the GOP concession from the last argument, which Obama "won" by getting his tax increase. This is a different argument, and Obama can't simply recycle his previous bargaining position having pocketed the tax increase.

Lol so something makes sense a few months ago but it doesn't now? Yeah that's not principled reasoning its deal making and it's being done at the American people's expense.

Sorry they American people see through it.

 

[monovillage]

You know perfectly well that because of your brain defect you could trust almost anybody over yourself. But, of course, the reason you're fucked is because you can't see this.

We're fucked (as a country) because gullible fools like you actually believe that a lying piece of shit like Obama can be trusted when he has repeatedly lied and lied and lied again to the people of this nation to a point some are not willing to accept his word on anything.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

and to add this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...ird-time-president-obama-fibbed-on-sequester/

Is the press corps getting some balls (to put it crudely but graphically)? Are they finally prepared to challenge the President’s untruthful assertions on facts that are crucial to understanding policy?

None other than NBC’s David Gregory today pressed Obama’s chief economic advisor, Gene Sperling, whether his boss told the truth in the third presidential debate that “the sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed.”

So after being caught in yet another lie, for some reason the Republicans are supposed to believe that this time he's actually telling the truth.

 

[trenchfoot]

You and Obama are stuck on the conversation from 2 months ago. Obama already shot his wad on tax increases and we're now on the spending cut discussion. If Obama (or you) thought there would be multiple tax hike measures passed that's quite frankly delusional.

Well, I gotta admit you make a sane point on the tax hike thingy. I agree we need spending cuts. Obama agrees we need spending cuts. He said so himself. What I don't agree with is the Repub leadership's agenda that aims to gut, not cut any and all programs that benefit the middle class and the poor. It's common knowledge that the Repub leadership's long term plan for social assistance programs is to totally get rid of them and/or privatize them to take away any say that the voting working class presently have over these programs. Once these programs are gone/privatized, the profiteers will have their way with them and the public will just have to grin and bear the scams these programs will turn into just the same as the public now have to put up with 'too big to fail" banksters and other corrupt business practices.

We need to keep these programs away from the profit takers. Instead, we need to fix them and keep them under the auspices of the Fed gov't as they provide an essential public service and we most definetly must keep them away from the folks that aim to raid these programs high and dry for huge short term gains, without minding at all what that will do to the middle class and the poor.

 

[Moonbeam]

We're fucked (as a country) because gullible fools like you actually believe that a lying piece of shit like Obama can be trusted when he has repeatedly lied and lied and lied again to the people of this nation to a point some are not willing to accept his word on anything.
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

and to add this.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrod...ird-time-president-obama-fibbed-on-sequester/



So after being caught in yet another lie, for some reason the Republicans are supposed to believe that this time he's actually telling the truth.

You are a conservative with a bad case of brain defect. You live a lie 24, 7. It's OK so long as you pay no attention to anything you think or think you know. You can't think and you don't know anything. Relax and look at the scenery.