This is why obama will not do anything about iran

[Texashiker]

Now go back to your fallout shelter and crouch behind your fortress constructed of canned goods and stroke your rifle.

I do not have a fallout shelter,,,,,,,, yet.

 

[Lemon law]

I have far more fear of a nuclearly armed Israel, when there is zero evidence that Iran intends to even develop nuclear weapons or even has the potential to refine sufficent U235 to weapons grade in the next 4-5 years.

 

[berzerker60]

Israel already has nukes. (Possibly that's what you're saying, just unclear to me if you were saying you fear them developing nukes)

 

[Arglebargle]

There is no magic 'Invade Iran' wand. We've already blown a lot of money, prestige and the aura of invincibility in major invasions in the area.

Was reading a military journal (Navy Times, I think) a few years ago, that had an article on the conditions for an Iran attack or invasion. The author had a slew of points about how much more difficult it would be than the move into Iraq. Logistics of it would be a nightmare. The offending nuclear facilities are built in super hard points, very difficult to strike. And so on.

Plus, we'd end up being the cat's paws of the Sunni ultra-conservatives, who dislike the Shia competition, but don't want to be seen swatting them down.

If we weren't so addicted to oil, none of this would matter much.

 

[marincounty]

Iran should celebrate George W Bush day, for all of his help in destroying Saddam and Iraq, which was the real counterweight to Iran's power in the middle east.
Mission Accomplished.

 

[Texashiker]

To reenforce my opening post,

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...andoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/

Mitt Romney had an interesting, controversial, and completely ignored line during his speech at the Republican National Convention. Mitt said “Obama has thrown Israel under the bus.” Mitt knew something the rest of us didn’t. The story is shocking- as much for the betrayal of one of our strongest allies- as for the timing.

Obama will do everything in his power not to harm muslims. If that means abandoning israel, then so be it.

 

[Incorruptible]

To reenforce my opening post,

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...andoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/



Obama will do everything in his power not to harm muslims. If that means abandoning israel, then so be it.

Why is this? Why does this pathetic man want to protect them but want to harm Christians and Jews? And people were stupid enough to elect this man

 

[EagleKeeper]

Muslims are people also; good and bad

Just like the Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Buddahists, etc

 

[Oyeve]

To reenforce my opening post,

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...andoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/



Obama will do everything in his power not to harm muslims. If that means abandoning israel, then so be it.

Good. Fuck israel. let them deal with their own shit for once.

 

[zsdersw]

To reenforce my opening post,

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...andoned-israel-and-jews-should-abandon-obama/



Obama will do everything in his power not to harm muslims. If that means abandoning israel, then so be it.

Yes, because Mitt said it and there's an opinion piece on it.. it MUST be true.

Jesus Fucking Christ... get a grip. I swear some of you wear so many tinfoil hats you should hold stock in Reynolds.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes, because Mitt said it and there's an opinion piece on it.. it MUST be true.

Jesus Fucking Christ... get a grip. I swear some of you wear so many tinfoil hats you should hold stock in Reynolds.

How long does obama have to give iran a free pass before you change your opinion?

Does iran have to nuke israel, while obama does nothing for you to change your mind?

 

[zsdersw]

How long does obama have to give iran a free pass before you change your opinion?

Does iran have to nuke israel, while obama does nothing for you to change your mind?

Obama is doing precisely as much against Iran as Bush and other presidents before him have done: nothing but talk tough.

Obama is being as cautiously yet steadfastly supportive of Israel as Bush and other presidents before him have been.

WTF are you so goddamn on about?

 

[Texashiker]

Obama is doing precisely as much against Iran as Bush and other presidents before him have done: nothing but talk tough.

Bush kept putting iran off. When bush left office, iran was supposed to be a couple of years from getting the bomb.

Now the problem is reaching a head where "something" will have to be done.

 

[zsdersw]

Bush kept putting iran off. When bush left office, iran was supposed to be a couple of years from getting the bomb.

Now the problem is reaching a head where "something" will have to be done.

Fine... something will be done. Again... WTF are you so goddamn on about?

Seriously, lose the tinfoil hat. You're smarter than that.

 

[diesbudt]

How long does obama have to give iran a free pass before you change your opinion?

Does iran have to nuke israel, while obama does nothing for you to change your mind?

Obama's group has said that they are against Iran and nuclear weapons. However they would only intervene if they actually built one.

Romney on the other hand wants to go in if they start gathering the resources to build one.

Both are against Iran (little known fact, as people love to spread the rumor info each side says of each other) but have different ways of dealing with it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Bush kept putting iran off. When bush left office, iran was supposed to be a couple of years from getting the bomb.

Now the problem is reaching a head where "something" will have to be done.

And what should have been done previously?

There was no justification for boots on the ground or an air strike.

The world community was not seeing any serious danger from Iran?

 

[zsdersw]

If there were any clear-cut good options for stopping Iran, guess what: they'd have been done already. End of story.

 

[woolfe9999]

Would you talk bad about your boss?

Didn't the military courtmarshal some troops for talking bad about the president?




Go rescue some kittens or something.

Immaterial whether we'd expect someone to "talk bad about his boss." What McRaven says is transparently true. The raid that killed OBL was both politically and diplomatically risky. The intel we had suggested that there was about a 50/50 shot that OBL was even there. We had a key alliance with Pakistan that was placed in jeopardy whether he turned out to be there or not. Furthermore, he had to make a difficult decision between an airstrike and a raid, each of which had major pros and cons. Then there was the risky decision to not inform the Pakistani government.

Honestly, the efforts to rob Obama of credit for this are showing just how wide the partisan gap in this country has become. We can't even back our own POTUS when he makes a tough decision that results in the death of a major national enemy.

It's truly pathetic that we've come to this.

- wolf

 

[diesbudt]

And what should have been done previously?

There was no justification for boots on the ground or an air strike.

The world community was not seeing any serious danger from Iran?

Even if they obtained nuclear weapons. It is the government that will have it/them. Not the terrorist groups. Do you think a government would be stupid enough to set one off on a country (especially one close enough to where slight Radiation will spread to their own borders) knowing the rest of the world would act upon them?

I can tell you right now. If Iran built one, and nuked a place. The middle East would more or less become decimated. And that is just our firepower. Lets not forget european countries would back us, South Korea would back us. North Korea would whine that Iran beat them to a Nuke and sit in their country and cry over it. China would actually back us because they are too close to Iran. Russia is just looking for a fight, with someone. So they would back someone. (I could go on)

 

[diesbudt]

Immaterial whether we'd expect someone to "talk bad about his boss." What McRaven says is transparently true. The raid that killed OBL was both politically and diplomatically risky. The intel we had suggested that there was about a 50/50 shot that OBL was even there. We had a key alliance with Pakistan that was placed in jeopardy whether he turned out to be there or not. Furthermore, he had to make a difficult decision between an airstrike and a raid, each of which had major pros and cons. Then there was the risky decision to not inform the Pakistani government.

Honestly, the efforts to rob Obama of credit for this are showing just how wide the partisan gap in this country has become. We can't even back our own POTUS when he makes a tough decision that results in the death of a major national enemy.

It's truly pathetic that we've come to this.

- wolf

What is pathetic is how bad our navy seals are at covering their tracks.

If a helicopter (with lots of technology we don't want pakistan to have, and wanting to try and keep their arrival a secret) is damaged and cannot fly, you damn better blow it up with enough firepower to ensure it cannot be identifed who it belonged to.

 

[finglobes]

It was easy to see Obama would backstab Israel in summer of 2008. Since then Obama wierdly procliamed (in Cairo speech) that the US was not a Christian nation (despite over 80% of citizens self-describing themselves that way) and was one of world's largest Muslim nations. He also told NASA director to use NASA to make Muslims "feel good about themselves). Obama was also personally tight with many anti-Israel activists in America.

Rev Wright himself said he helped Obama be able to say he was a "Christian" (a black liberation version where Jesus is black and against white people) without rejecting his Muslim roots. Author Ed Klei described his interview with Wright during a Hannity show.

KLEIN: Do you think he ever thought of himself as Muslim?



WRIGHT: Yes. ...



HANNITY: What do you think of that?



KLEIN: Well, I was very interested in another part of that, as well,
which is, when I asked the Reverend Wright about this whole question of
Islam and Christianity, he said, "Well, you know, Barack Obama was
steeped in Islam. He knew a lot about Islam from his childhood. But he
knew very little about Christianity. And I made it easy for him to feel
not guilty about learning about Christianity without turning his back on
his Islamic friends."

 

[zsdersw]

It was easy to see Obama would backstab Israel in summer of 2008. Since then Obama wierdly procliamed (in Cairo speech) that the US was not a Christian nation (despite over 80% of citizens self-describing themselves that way) and was one of world's largest Muslim nations. He also told NASA director to use NASA to make Muslims "feel good about themselves). Obama was also personally tight with many anti-Israel activists in America.

Rev Wright himself said he helped Obama be able to say he was a "Christian" (a black liberation version where Jesus is black and against white people) without rejecting his Muslim roots. Author Ed Klei described his interview with Wright during a Hannity show.

KLEIN: Do you think he ever thought of himself as Muslim?



WRIGHT: Yes. ...



HANNITY: What do you think of that?



KLEIN: Well, I was very interested in another part of that, as well,
which is, when I asked the Reverend Wright about this whole question of
Islam and Christianity, he said, "Well, you know, Barack Obama was
steeped in Islam. He knew a lot about Islam from his childhood. But he
knew very little about Christianity. And I made it easy for him to feel
not guilty about learning about Christianity without turning his back on
his Islamic friends."

I live in Wisconsin. I have a rock at home; it's about the size of a softball, it's multi-colored, and it keeps zebras out of my house. Why? Well, I've always had the rock and have never seen a zebra in any house I've lived in.. and I've always lived in Wisconsin.

That proves, conclusively, that my rock is an effective zebra repellent.

(Some people.. like you.. will believe anything)

 

[yllus]

What is pathetic is how bad our navy seals are at covering their tracks.

If a helicopter (with lots of technology we don't want pakistan to have, and wanting to try and keep their arrival a secret) is damaged and cannot fly, you damn better blow it up with enough firepower to ensure it cannot be identifed who it belonged to.

Technology that would completely vaporize a helicopter on demand simply doesn't exist. And even if it did exist, do you really think the list of suspects would be very long? How many countries in the world have the resources to monitor and execute an operation like this in a mostly hostile country? Would the SEALs also take a mop and sponge to the compounds to get rid of the blood, dirt and other physical evidence? And does it matter considering all of the reports of black military helicopters and commandoes opening fire that were reported online immediately? Either way there was going to be fallout.

 

[Texashiker]

Seriously, lose the tinfoil hat. You're smarter than that.

Thank you, but I think there is more to the situation then meets the eye with iran.

Maybe I am just being paranoid?

 

[Lemon law]

In some ways both Iraq and Afghanistan had non-existant militaries. And therefore in the mind of war hawks a total peice of cake.

Funny thing, the US attacking Iraq and Afghanistan have both turned out to be giant US liabilities and quagmires. Much like Vietnam decades ago.

Iran on the other hand is a real deal military power, with guilded missiles able to strike Israel and even Southern Europe in large numbers. And is almost invasion proof on land. Worse yet, Iran has hundreds of miles of frontage on the Persian Gulf and will probably be able to shut down the Persian Gulf oil tanker traffic for yers if not decades. And there by be able to cause an almost would wide depression in every oil dependent nation on earth.

Yes I know I know, lots of military poobahs tell us Iran won't be able to do so, but I say read your recent history books to see how credible those poobahs have proved to be. As they always tell us we will be greeted with flowers and candy, until the grim reality sets in.

Still feel froggie? Because if the USA fucks up on Iran, it will likely be an end to our US foreign policy credability as even our allies will desert us totally.