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Staples

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I think the populace is growing less and less aware of what is available locally, because they spend less time in stores.

If B&M stores resolve to continue overpricing their wares, then they deserve to go out of business. They really need to look in the mirror and ask themselves "what have I become?" - "Why am I charging $62 for a $20 device?" It's either drop prices to realistic levels and restructure, or ... go out of business. Maybe transition to more of a showroom???
A lot of stores have adjusted their prices to closer reflect online competing prices. I do agree that people are less aware of this fact because they have not paid attention for many years. Also, many big stores price match (as I've said earlier, I take advantage of it). The main reason I don't like buying online is return shipping (not being free). It is the reason I will never buy clothes online.
 

MrSquished

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The only thing I get nervous about buying online is shoes. Returning stuff is IMHO a hassle & I don't want problems with Amazon for excessive returns. I do read reviews about fit before ordering though & have had decent luck for my husband & son.

I like going to brick and mortar stores to see tech hardware in person before I buy it, I can't tell how good a phone is till I feel it in my hand & check it out in person.

Oh and paper towels, toilet paper...get em delivered by the case, it saves so much hassle & you never run out

One more thing, OTC meds, Amazon sells Kirkland brand meds, I save a ton on generic Pepcid, low dose asprin & others I need

I've had good luck ordering shoes online. I've probably ordered like 10-12 pair combined of sneakers and shoes.and only had to return one - a pair of old school Saucony running shoes. My regular size was slightly small. I had to get a half size up. But it was free shipping back. Easy peasy.
 

Triloby

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Funnily enough, there's a series of videos on YouTube called DEAD MALLS where a guy visits malls that are either dying, closing, abandoned, or already demolished. I'm kind of surprised to see how many dead malls exist in this country. It's almost eerie to see a big mall with literally no people walking about and many closed down shops.

 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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It's actually kinda sad in a way. If the big corporate stores are having issues, then small mom and pop shops definitely have like zero chance. You have the ones that have a loyal customer base, but trying to open a new one is going to be near impossible.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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It's actually kinda sad in a way. If the big corporate stores are having issues, then small mom and pop shops definitely have like zero chance. You have the ones that have a loyal customer base, but trying to open a new one is going to be near impossible.
You gotta be creative. Start out, or supplement your business with the internet if necessary. It's a great time to be a small seller. Between amazon, ebay, and etsy, you have the world as a potential market, and can start a business with less chance of failure. Some businesses aren't as viable(computers for one), but that's the way it goes. Even with that, money can be made with enough creativity.
 

Murloc

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It's actually kinda sad in a way. If the big corporate stores are having issues, then small mom and pop shops definitely have like zero chance. You have the ones that have a loyal customer base, but trying to open a new one is going to be near impossible.
Gas station shops and take away food shops are doing great where I live and it's grown a lot in the last 10-15 years.
 

WilliamM2

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Gas station shops and take away food shops are doing great where I live and it's grown a lot in the last 10-15 years.

I don't think we will ever see internet sales of gas or hot meals, so that's not surprising.
 

Raduque

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Aug 22, 2004
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I only buy things online that I can't otherwise get locally, and shit like cellphone accessories.

I pay a little more locally to bring things home immediately.
 
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Mai72

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Speaking of buying shoes online, there is a guy that I was watching on YT live stream. He made a little over $200k selling noting but used shoes on eBay.

Yes, $200k selling used shoes.
 

Raduque

Lifer
Aug 22, 2004
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Speaking of buying shoes online, there is a guy that I was watching on YT live stream. He made a little over $200k selling noting but used shoes on eBay.

Yes, $200k selling used shoes.
Probably selling shit to collectors.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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Why are B&M stores having difficulty while online stores like Amazon and eBay thriving?

As humans we are always looking to maximize time while conserving energy. So, the internet does that very well. Many people are as busy as ever. I can use my phone, order products and be on my way. I can't do that if I were to shop at a B&M. I'd have to go after work or on the weekend. Spend my time that I'd never get back. Go wait in line, etc.
 

Jimzz

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A lot of stores have adjusted their prices to closer reflect online competing prices. I do agree that people are less aware of this fact because they have not paid attention for many years. Also, many big stores price match (as I've said earlier, I take advantage of it). The main reason I don't like buying online is return shipping (not being free). It is the reason I will never buy clothes online.


Not walmart anymore. They stopped doing that last year at some stores and it has spread to most now.
BestBuy says they do but they fight you on it and now carry more BB only items. The items will be the same but the model number will add a BB or some other character so they can deny.
HD and Lowes also do the same so that's getting harder.

Not many other large stores left that will pricematch without a fight if at all.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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I bought a TV online and it's still going strong nearly 7 years later.
Yea, but the thing is if you get a set with issues like dead pixels you can bring it back to a B+M the same day and just get another but I agree in general, Amazon Prime is the shi*, killer price and it's there fast.
 

Red Squirrel

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You gotta be creative. Start out, or supplement your business with the internet if necessary. It's a great time to be a small seller. Between amazon, ebay, and etsy, you have the world as a potential market, and can start a business with less chance of failure. Some businesses aren't as viable(computers for one), but that's the way it goes. Even with that, money can be made with enough creativity.

Yeah problem is you're competing with China and stuff too. They don't need to meet any kind of standards or regulations, but we do. So the playing field is not fair and seems to be designed to cater to the Chinese market.

Though with that aside it IS probably easier to get started now than it ever was. If you sell a type of product that does not require any certification like decorations or something there is probably a decent opportunity there too. Especially niche stuff that has a certain utility value that you can't really find anywhere.

I want to get more into electronics and may potentially look at making stuff I can sell on an Amazon store. I hate that there's like nothing made here anymore, so it would be a cool feeling to be one of the few that actually manufactures stuff here. I'm thinking if I sell everything as a "hobby kit" with instructions that you need to desolder and resolder it it might be enough to cover my butt and won't require ULC etc. But that's something I'd have to inform myself on better once I get to that point. There's certain guidelines on that stuff too like if it's under a certain voltage etc you are exempt as well. Biggest thing is finding some kind of lawsuit protection though to protect against patent trolls etc, as it only takes one stupid lawsuit to put you on the street as you'd lose your house and everything.
 
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Online is winning retail because of one simple reason for me: I fucking hate the american public. Every store around me has become the equivalent of "Only at a Walmart". It's everywhere, it's rampant, and I hate having to interact with incompetent fools.

Plus, they don't have to hire incompetent fools to interact with their customers. All their employees have to do is put shit in boxes.
 

Red Squirrel

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Online is winning retail because of one simple reason for me: I fucking hate the american public. Every store around me has become the equivalent of "Only at a Walmart". It's everywhere, it's rampant, and I hate having to interact with incompetent fools.

Plus, they don't have to hire incompetent fools to interact with their customers. All their employees have to do is put shit in boxes.

That must really be an American thing in general. Even the "only in Walmart" things I often see don't happen here. I hate crowds in general or when a place is busy but people are generally civil around here. Except on the roads. Lot of road rage here.
 
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The US needs fewer stores and retail blight. The US has more retail space by a factor of ten than the rest of the world. Cutting the cruft is a good thing.
We have the most insane consumer economy, too. If it weren't for online, most of that "cruft" would be in full swing, because while you may not double your profits by opening twice as many stores, you will see some increase in your nets, the more stores you have.

But the 5% hit to sales you get from online competition will make a large % of those stores unprofitable.
 

Svnla

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Nov 10, 2003
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After Amazon starts collecting sale tax, its advance over the local stores is almost gone. I am using Amazon right now because of my clients is paying me with Amazon gift cards, not because of lower price.
 
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We have the most insane consumer economy, too. If it weren't for online, most of that "cruft" would be in full swing, because while you may not double your profits by opening twice as many stores, you will see some increase in your nets, the more stores you have.

But the 5% hit to sales you get from online competition will make a large % of those stores unprofitable.

Sexy capitalism bby.

People gotta fill up their garages. What else are they going to put in them? Cars? HAHAHHAAHHA you're fucking funny.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Actually the mass consumerism is slowing down a bit, stores always complain around Christmas that their sales are not as high as they used to be. People's costs of living keep going up, salaries stay the same, so they realize they need to buy less stuff that they don't really need and find other ways to save money so they can pay the bills.
 

Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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After Amazon starts collecting sale tax, its advance over the local stores is almost gone. I am using Amazon right now because of my clients is paying me with Amazon gift cards, not because of lower price.

Disagree.

Most people aren't shopping at Amazon because they can avoid sales tax. They are shopping online because they can minimize time and energy.

I had said this early and I'll repeat it. Most people are busy and many are getting beat up every day. Kids, bills, 8-12 hour days working, stress, grocery shopping, tasks, family time, training, additional education, more bills, only 2 weeks off a year, etc. Most people are just f*ckin tired. Very tired. Also, with humans our biology tells us to minimize time and our energy output. Shopping online fulfills this.

1) Ordering on Amazon; I take out my smartphone, tap the Amazon app, tap the things I want to purchase, CC is charged, wait 2 days, it's over.
Time: 2-3 minutes.

2) Going to the B&M; Take time out of busy schedule, get in my car, fill the tank, drive 10-15 minutes. Maybe even longer. Go into the store. Search for the item. Interrupt the busy sales guy if I can't find it, Pick it up, wait in line, get into car, wait in traffic, etc..
Time: Anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour.
 
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Viper GTS

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Disagree.

Most people aren't shopping at Amazon because they can avoid sales tax. They are shopping online because they can minimize time and energy.

I had said this early and I'll repeat it. Most people are busy and many are getting beat up every day. Kids, bills, 8-12 hour days working, stress, grocery shopping, tasks, family time, training, additional education, more bills, only 2 weeks off a year, etc. Most people are just f*ckin tired. Very tired. Also, with humans our biology tells us to minimize time and our energy output. Shopping online fulfills this.

1) Ordering on Amazon; I take out my smartphone, tap the Amazon app, tap the things I want to purchase, CC is charged, wait 2 days, it's over.
Time: 2-3 minutes.

2) Going to the B&M; Take time out of busy schedule, get in my car, fill the tank, drive 10-15 minutes. Maybe even longer. Go into the store. Search for the item. Interrupt the busy sales guy if I can't find it, Pick it up, wait in line, get into car, wait in traffic, etc..
Time: Anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour.

Definitely all of this. The first 10 years of my Amazon purchase history I lived in a state with no sales tax anyway so it made no difference whatsoever. Now I live in a same day region so if I notice I am running low on something in the morning it can be waiting on my porch when I get home from work. I will (and frequently do) pay MORE on Amazon to get something that I could get locally. Within reason of course, but a couple dollars of potential savings here and there are far outweighed by the overall convenience of having a single location (in your pocket no less!) for all of your shopping.

Combine reasonably comparable at worst pricing, 5% back on everything, far wider selection, and nearly equal access speed (in same day regions) and the argument to buy locally is basically reduced to 'those poor warehouse workers.' There is certainly a case to be made there and if/when Amazon bows to consumer or regulatory pressure to fix that and passes the cost on to me... I will still happily pay it.

Viper GTS
 
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Yea, but the thing is if you get a set with issues like dead pixels you can bring it back to a B+M the same day and just get another but I agree in general, Amazon Prime is the shi*, killer price and it's there fast.
Certainly true, but I bet issues like that are relatively rare events overall. And if the TV starts acting funny outside of the return period, you'd be in the same boat regardless of purchase method.

For me, I ordered from a store selling on Amazon for two reasons: price and delivery. It was substantially cheaper online, and I live in a city and don't have a car. Carrying a 42" TV is certainly doable if I went to a B&M, but it's much easier to not have to carry it several blocks.
 

Staples

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Not walmart anymore. They stopped doing that last year at some stores and it has spread to most now.
BestBuy says they do but they fight you on it and now carry more BB only items. The items will be the same but the model number will add a BB or some other character so they can deny.
HD and Lowes also do the same so that's getting harder.

Not many other large stores left that will pricematch without a fight if at all.
Interesting to know. Had no idea about Walmart (only thing I buy there is oil for my car).

Fry's still proudly displays a banner that says they price match internet prices so I don't think they will quit any time soon.
I price matched Amazon at Target a few months ago so they may still.
I know TRU will price match at least their own website (which is usually cheaper). I've done it twice in the last month.
 

Charmonium

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In 10 years I hope everyone looks back at how many local stores they used to have and wonder if it was worth it when Amazon is the only thing left and prices are much higher than they ever were in the local stores to begin with.

Thankfully at least locally I see more and more people refusing to shop at Amazon and want to support local stores again.
I think it depends on where you live as to how much of a hassle it is to shop locally for things you can get online. Where I am in NJ, going to the store can be a minor production.

First of all, "local" is a relative term that can mean anything from from a 10 to 20 minute drive. Longer if you try to go during rush-4-hours. I mean who gets off work at 2 in the afternoon?

Second, even huge dept. stores don't have the variety that you find online. In many cases that might be a benefit since you save time by not looking at 300 toaster ovens. But then again, if you have one particular type in mind, finding it locally could be difficult to impossible.

And finally there's the issue of time management. Shopping locally is generally much more time consuming, especially if you know going in precisely what you want. Doing it online is maybe a 3 minute exercise. Doing it locally could mean hours by the time to go to 3 or 4 different stores.
 
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