This is why Ron Paul HAS to be President!

lozina

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Ron Paul is the man. I love seeing the corporate elite pandering media squirm whenever Ron Paul goes on and posts unbelievable poll numbers, contradicting all the negative stuff they say about him. It's funny how many times they try and omit him from polls too, to save themselves embarrassment.
 

Moonbeam

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I watched the video and did no see the devil. I would have no fear seeing this guy win.
 

StageLeft

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He has no chance. People are more interested in minimal changes from the status quo. Nobody wants to take a risk so whether he's Christ reincarnate or Satan in the flesh, he'll not get into office.
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Toasthead
sadly I think he has very little chance.

I believe he has less of chance than me even.



nah, I'd actually vote for you.

While I think your just an atagonist Ron Paul is just ignorant at times, only the level of ignorance he displays could make bush look good,.
 

adrunkgerbil

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Toasthead
sadly I think he has very little chance.

I believe he has less of chance than me even.



nah, I'd actually vote for you.

While I think your just an atagonist Ron Paul is just ignorant at times, only the level of ignorance he displays could make bush look good,.

You care to back these claims up?

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Toasthead
sadly I think he has very little chance.

I believe he has less of chance than me even.



nah, I'd actually vote for you.

While I think your just an atagonist Ron Paul is just ignorant at times, only the level of ignorance he displays could make bush look good,.

You care to back these claims up?

I don't know what Shivetya had in mind, but his knowledge of the Federal Reserve Bank and our money system as a whole is extremely lacking. Which is somewhat worrying for someone who wants to shut down the Federal Reserve. Examples are too numerous to post, but just the most obvious one...Ron Paul thinks going back to the gold standard would result in a BETTER economy. That's basic high school economics.
 

MadRat

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Basic high school economics? Half the crapola I learnt in high school was unlearnt in college because the books were full of half-truths and oversimplified untruths past off as the truth.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Basic high school economics? Half the crapola I learnt in high school was unlearnt in college because the books were full of half-truths and oversimplified untruths past off as the truth.

I'll be the first to admit that the study of economics could use some improvement in quite a few areas (it makes a lot of assumptions about the market, nearly all economic theories postulate an infinitely large market). But a lot of it IS right on the nose, and the rejection of idea of basing the value of money off of some rare commodity is one of those times when economic theory is right. This is further reinforced by the fact that opposition to not having the gold standard is always phrased in vague terms without any actual argument behind it. The fact that I can't go to the bank and demand my account in gold bars should not be a surprise to most people, and unless you were living under that assumption and hate to be proven wrong, I fail to see how it is a bad thing.
 

morkinva

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Personally, I'd much rather believe Ron Paul, a guy on the House Financial Services Committee, than "know-it-all" rainsford

Ron Paul: Flawed Federal Reserve Policy Puts Paper Before Gold -- Posted by United States Congressman Ron Paul on Jun 1st, 2007

A hundred years ago it was called ?dollar diplomacy.? After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into ?dollar hegemony.? But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.

It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.

First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.

Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn?t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin - always hoping their subjects wouldn?t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.

This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves. There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.

That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations - those with powerful armies and gold - strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.

Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: ?He who prints the money makes the rules? - at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.

Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation?s people - just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.

The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one?s actions is rejected.

When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules - rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.

?Dollar Diplomacy,? a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt?s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft?s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of ?Dollar Diplomacy.? The significance of Roosevelt?s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere ?appearance? that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government ?obligation? to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.

This new policy came on the heels of the ?gunboat? diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the ?dollar diplomacy? of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn?t too long before dollar ?diplomacy? became dollar ?hegemony? in the second half of the 20th century.

This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.

Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress - while benefiting the special interests that influence government.

Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world?s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.

The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world?s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be ?as good as gold,? and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.

The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question - until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.

It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.

Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it - not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.

Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence ?backed? the dollar with oil. In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.

This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.

During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ?s claim that we could afford both ?guns and butter.?

Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.

Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money - i.e. the dollar system - to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.

In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.

Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt?s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.

Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can?t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.

Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy. Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to-all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.

Regards,

United States Congressman Ron Paul of Texas
for The Daily Reckoning
 

adrunkgerbil

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Toasthead
sadly I think he has very little chance.

I believe he has less of chance than me even.



nah, I'd actually vote for you.

While I think your just an atagonist Ron Paul is just ignorant at times, only the level of ignorance he displays could make bush look good,.

You care to back these claims up?

I don't know what Shivetya had in mind, but his knowledge of the Federal Reserve Bank and our money system as a whole is extremely lacking. Which is somewhat worrying for someone who wants to shut down the Federal Reserve. Examples are too numerous to post, but just the most obvious one...Ron Paul thinks going back to the gold standard would result in a BETTER economy. That's basic high school economics.

Greenspan said going back to the gold standard would be a good idea, well that was until the federal reserve got him under control

 

manowar821

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He's not crazy, people. He's trying his best to hide his anger toward the current system. That's where the crazy look in his eye comes from...
 

BMW540I6speed

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I don't agree with everything he believes, alot of wishful thinking, but I respect him.

Before the invasion, he raised questions about evidence that Saddam Hussein harbored weapons of mass destruction. He publicly mocked the idea of creating a functioning democracy in Iraq. He rejected the principle of preemptive war. He also opposed the Patriot Act. He attacked the Bush administration for abandoning habeas corpus, authorizing harsh interrogation and permitting warrantless wiretaps. He opposed federalizing Transportation Security Administration workers to guard air travel. He was blunt, forceful and not always politically sensitive."

Funny, alot of these things "used" to be what Republican's stood for. Not anymore.

Paul is more Republican than any Republican in the field, which is crazy in itself. The GOP hasn't had a candidate that embodied its own supposed ideology in decades. Now they have one and plan to use him as a punching bag.

He doesn't need to get elected, he just needs to be heard. Let the man talk and the whole boatload of "pretenders" will blow up real good.

We need more colorful and interesting candidates, and the "they can't win" line is reflective of the weakness of our system, not its strength. Just seeing Rudy and Mitt as the leading lights of the GOP's stable of sterling mediocracies, with their multimillion-dollar war chests says everything.

The danger Republicans face is that Paul is making younger voters see that the Libertarians are the New Republicans. This is the best thing to happen to American politics since Ross Perot.

The trouble we're in these days is that the problems we have can't be solved by "stay the course," and require broader minds and bolder hearts. Sure, Ron Paul's got some wacky ideas, but he's also got some good ideas that would not have gotten voiced by any of the "acceptable" candidates; we need to change the financing of elections to bring more freethinking and colorful candidates into the game, so we can escape the domination of the monied, media darling mannekins that this "new" republican party foisted on us.

Paul doesn't need the MSM. Paul's younger supporters have had 10 years of the internet to teach them that smart, talented people are defined by what they say and do, not the professionalism of their videos and speeches. If nothing else, the Paul candidacy could be a major step towards marginalizing the MSM, something we desperately need.







 

LegendKiller

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What I find hilarious about this whole situation is that the "Gold Standard" is nothing more than the same faith based standard as the current system.

1. You have to be certain that *all* governments will peg their currency to the "gold standard"

2. You have to be certain that gold always keeps it's nominal value and another commodity doesn't supplant it.

3. You have to be certain that the relative purchasing parity is constant, otherwise you get deflationary tendancies.

For example, if the price of gold goes up, the currency goes up also. Any good denominated in gold will have to fall in price, equating to a deflationary spiral. This happened during the Great Depression. For example, if gold rose as people demanded more gold (and since it's a scarce commodity it will go up significantly with demand), then any good relative to gold will devalue, requiring more goods to purchase gold. Since this can happen pretty quickly to a commodity, then you'll have rampant price shifts. Any government that remained on the Gold Standard suffered much more than those who didn't.

http://www.econbrowser.com/arc...2/the_gold_standa.html

What happens if the gold standard fails and everybody goes off of it? You get rampant inflation, since the value of gold tumbles and goods relative to gold increase, causing inflation.

When it comes down to it, gold is nothing more than faith. Faith is the same whether you have faith in gold or in a country and economy. There is no significant difference.

This is where Ron Paul utterly fails. He fails to realize that faith is faith, faith based upon the long-term movements of a country and 300 million people is a lot stronger than the faith of a commodity which can be speculated upon and manipulated by geopolitical events very quickly.

As far as what is deflating our currency, it's the fact that we have allowed our government to spend it's way into currency reduction. I find it immensely humorous that people sit around pointing fingers at everybody else, blaming some shadowy conspiracy and clinging to a life-raft of gold.

Yet, when it comes down to it, it's our fault! WE are the ones who keep letting the government buy more than it can afford. WE are the ones who keep letting it invade countries on a credit card. WE are the ones who keep allowing stupid pet projects to be funded. WE are the ones who think that tax cuts are the end-all-and-be-all of economic stimulus. Finally, WE are the ones who think that economic gains from boom/bust periods that rely on loose credit policies are great.

This has nothing to do with gold standards, it has to do with accountability, and WE shift it to stupid wedge issues like gold standards.
 

mc00

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I having serious issue voting for this guy.. I have debate before with someone in this forum(he was right about this guy ) but I just can't vote just because
http://ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
1. he pro-life I'm pro-choice
2. he doesn't support embryonic stem cell research
3. against gay marriage I'm all about freedom/ people had choice who bang/love/live/etc..
some other stuff but those top 3 bothers me.
but everything else ron paul has right idea as founding father wanted for our nation.
 

adrunkgerbil

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Originally posted by: mc00
I having serious issue voting for this guy.. I have debate before with someone in this forum(he was right about this guy ) but I just can't vote just because
http://ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
1. he pro-life I'm pro-choice
2. he doesn't support embryonic stem cell research
3. against gay marriage I'm all about freedom/ people had choice who bang/love/live/etc..
some other stuff but those top 3 bothers me.
but everything else ron paul has right idea as founding father wanted for our nation.

He feels abortion is up to each state, as well as gay marriage. He voted no on FEDERAL FUNDING of stem cell research.
 

mc00

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Originally posted by: adrunkgerbil
Originally posted by: mc00
I having serious issue voting for this guy.. I have debate before with someone in this forum(he was right about this guy ) but I just can't vote just because
http://ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
1. he pro-life I'm pro-choice
2. he doesn't support embryonic stem cell research
3. against gay marriage I'm all about freedom/ people had choice who bang/love/live/etc..
some other stuff but those top 3 bothers me.
but everything else ron paul has right idea as founding father wanted for our nation.

He feels abortion is up to each state, as well as gay marriage. He voted no on FEDERAL FUNDING of stem cell research.


well he feel is up to the each state shouldn't be up to the state is only up to the mother is going carry for 9 month and feed/ pay bill unless she join walfare.. matter fact the woman should pay for there own abortion not the tax payer to make it fair for non-supporter..

gay marriage shouldn't be up to the state.. as long gay couple pay there fee just like rest of us is all good with me.

He voted no on FEDERAL FUNDING of stem cell research <-- so basically tax payer won't pay for it how about those tax payer want to pay for it? they don't have an saying?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Personally, I'd much rather believe Ron Paul, a guy on the House Financial Services Committee, than "know-it-all" rainsford

Ron Paul: Flawed Federal Reserve Policy Puts Paper Before Gold -- Posted by United States Congressman Ron Paul on Jun 1st, 2007

A hundred years ago it was called ?dollar diplomacy.? After World War II, and especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989, that policy evolved into ?dollar hegemony.? But after all these many years of great success, our dollar dominance is coming to an end.

It has been said, rightly, that he who holds the gold makes the rules. In earlier times it was readily accepted that fair and honest trade required an exchange for something of real value.

First it was simply barter of goods. Then it was discovered that gold held a universal attraction, and was a convenient substitute for more cumbersome barter transactions. Not only did gold facilitate exchange of goods and services, it served as a store of value for those who wanted to save for a rainy day.

Though money developed naturally in the marketplace, as governments grew in power they assumed monopoly control over money. Sometimes governments succeeded in guaranteeing the quality and purity of gold, but in time governments learned to outspend their revenues. New or higher taxes always incurred the disapproval of the people, so it wasn?t long before Kings and Caesars learned how to inflate their currencies by reducing the amount of gold in each coin - always hoping their subjects wouldn?t discover the fraud. But the people always did, and they strenuously objected.

This helped pressure leaders to seek more gold by conquering other nations. The people became accustomed to living beyond their means, and enjoyed the circuses and bread. Financing extravagances by conquering foreign lands seemed a logical alternative to working harder and producing more. Besides, conquering nations not only brought home gold, they brought home slaves as well. Taxing the people in conquered territories also provided an incentive to build empires. This system of government worked well for a while, but the moral decline of the people led to an unwillingness to produce for themselves. There was a limit to the number of countries that could be sacked for their wealth, and this always brought empires to an end. When gold no longer could be obtained, their military might crumbled. In those days those who held the gold truly wrote the rules and lived well.

That general rule has held fast throughout the ages. When gold was used, and the rules protected honest commerce, productive nations thrived. Whenever wealthy nations - those with powerful armies and gold - strived only for empire and easy fortunes to support welfare at home, those nations failed.

Today the principles are the same, but the process is quite different. Gold no longer is the currency of the realm; paper is. The truth now is: ?He who prints the money makes the rules? - at least for the time being. Although gold is not used, the goals are the same: compel foreign countries to produce and subsidize the country with military superiority and control over the monetary printing presses.

Since printing paper money is nothing short of counterfeiting, the issuer of the international currency must always be the country with the military might to guarantee control over the system. This magnificent scheme seems the perfect system for obtaining perpetual wealth for the country that issues the de facto world currency. The one problem, however, is that such a system destroys the character of the counterfeiting nation?s people - just as was the case when gold was the currency and it was obtained by conquering other nations. And this destroys the incentive to save and produce, while encouraging debt and runaway welfare.

The pressure at home to inflate the currency comes from the corporate welfare recipients, as well as those who demand handouts as compensation for their needs and perceived injuries by others. In both cases personal responsibility for one?s actions is rejected.

When paper money is rejected, or when gold runs out, wealth and political stability are lost. The country then must go from living beyond its means to living beneath its means, until the economic and political systems adjust to the new rules - rules no longer written by those who ran the now defunct printing press.

?Dollar Diplomacy,? a policy instituted by William Howard Taft and his Secretary of State Philander C. Knox, was designed to enhance U.S. commercial investments in Latin America and the Far East. McKinley concocted a war against Spain in 1898, and (Teddy) Roosevelt?s corollary to the Monroe Doctrine preceded Taft?s aggressive approach to using the U.S. dollar and diplomatic influence to secure U.S. investments abroad. This earned the popular title of ?Dollar Diplomacy.? The significance of Roosevelt?s change was that our intervention now could be justified by the mere ?appearance? that a country of interest to us was politically or fiscally vulnerable to European control. Not only did we claim a right, but even an official U.S. government ?obligation? to protect our commercial interests from Europeans.

This new policy came on the heels of the ?gunboat? diplomacy of the late 19th century, and it meant we could buy influence before resorting to the threat of force. By the time the ?dollar diplomacy? of William Howard Taft was clearly articulated, the seeds of American empire were planted. And they were destined to grow in the fertile political soil of a country that lost its love and respect for the republic bequeathed to us by the authors of the Constitution. And indeed they did. It wasn?t too long before dollar ?diplomacy? became dollar ?hegemony? in the second half of the 20th century.

This transition only could have occurred with a dramatic change in monetary policy and the nature of the dollar itself.

Congress created the Federal Reserve System in 1913. Between then and 1971 the principle of sound money was systematically undermined. Between 1913 and 1971, the Federal Reserve found it much easier to expand the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress - while benefiting the special interests that influence government.

Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world?s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.

The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world?s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be ?as good as gold,? and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.

The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question - until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.

It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.

Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it - not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.

Realizing the world was embarking on something new and mind boggling, elite money managers, with especially strong support from U.S. authorities, struck an agreement with OPEC to price oil in U.S. dollars exclusively for all worldwide transactions. This gave the dollar a special place among world currencies and in essence ?backed? the dollar with oil. In return, the U.S. promised to protect the various oil-rich kingdoms in the Persian Gulf against threat of invasion or domestic coup. This arrangement helped ignite the radical Islamic movement among those who resented our influence in the region. The arrangement gave the dollar artificial strength, with tremendous financial benefits for the United States. It allowed us to export our monetary inflation by buying oil and other goods at a great discount as dollar influence flourished.

This post-Bretton Woods system was much more fragile than the system that existed between 1945 and 1971. Though the dollar/oil arrangement was helpful, it was not nearly as stable as the pseudo gold standard under Bretton Woods. It certainly was less stable than the gold standard of the late 19th century.

During the 1970s the dollar nearly collapsed, as oil prices surged and gold skyrocketed to $800 an ounce. By 1979 interest rates of 21% were required to rescue the system. The pressure on the dollar in the 1970s, in spite of the benefits accrued to it, reflected reckless budget deficits and monetary inflation during the 1960s. The markets were not fooled by LBJ?s claim that we could afford both ?guns and butter.?

Once again the dollar was rescued, and this ushered in the age of true dollar hegemony lasting from the early 1980s to the present. With tremendous cooperation coming from the central banks and international commercial banks, the dollar was accepted as if it were gold.

Fed Chair Alan Greenspan, on several occasions before the House Banking Committee, answered my challenges to him about his previously held favorable views on gold by claiming that he and other central bankers had gotten paper money - i.e. the dollar system - to respond as if it were gold. Each time I strongly disagreed, and pointed out that if they had achieved such a feat they would have defied centuries of economic history regarding the need for money to be something of real value. He smugly and confidently concurred with this.

In recent years central banks and various financial institutions, all with vested interests in maintaining a workable fiat dollar standard, were not secretive about selling and loaning large amounts of gold to the market even while decreasing gold prices raised serious questions about the wisdom of such a policy. They never admitted to gold price fixing, but the evidence is abundant that they believed if the gold price fell it would convey a sense of confidence to the market, confidence that they indeed had achieved amazing success in turning paper into gold.

Increasing gold prices historically are viewed as an indicator of distrust in paper currency. This recent effort was not a whole lot different than the U.S. Treasury selling gold at $35 an ounce in the 1960s, in an attempt to convince the world the dollar was sound and as good as gold. Even during the Depression, one of Roosevelt?s first acts was to remove free market gold pricing as an indication of a flawed monetary system by making it illegal for American citizens to own gold. Economic law eventually limited that effort, as it did in the early 1970s when our Treasury and the IMF tried to fix the price of gold by dumping tons into the market to dampen the enthusiasm of those seeking a safe haven for a falling dollar after gold ownership was re-legalized.

Once again the effort between 1980 and 2000 to fool the market as to the true value of the dollar proved unsuccessful. In the past 5 years the dollar has been devalued in terms of gold by more than 50%. You just can?t fool all the people all the time, even with the power of the mighty printing press and money creating system of the Federal Reserve.

Even with all the shortcomings of the fiat monetary system, dollar influence thrived. The results seemed beneficial, but gross distortions built into the system remained. And true to form, Washington politicians are only too anxious to solve the problems cropping up with window dressing, while failing to understand and deal with the underlying flawed policy. Protectionism, fixing exchange rates, punitive tariffs, politically motivated sanctions, corporate subsidies, international trade management, price controls, interest rate and wage controls, super-nationalist sentiments, threats of force, and even war are resorted to-all to solve the problems artificially created by deeply flawed monetary and economic systems.

Regards,

United States Congressman Ron Paul of Texas
for The Daily Reckoning

I hardly claim to know it all. In fact, while I'd say that while in my particular area of expertise I'm usually one of the smartest guys in the room, outside of that I'm not exactly Einstein. But what I CAN do is listen carefully and apply critical thinking...even in areas where I'm NOT an expert, the information is easy to find, the problem (as usual) isn't information, it's analysis.

LegendKiller touched on it, but I think it's worth repeating. Even if I didn't know ANYTHING about the monetary system or the gold standard that preceded it, there is one phrase Ron Paul keeps using that should be suspect "real value". That's a null term in economics, because it implies there are things which have universally accepted value to all people...things that can never lose value and everyone values equally. Because gold has served as a currency in the past, you might assume it has this universal "real value", but you'd be wrong. Before the Europeans started killing off the "savages" around the world, gold was viewed as mainly ornamental by a lot of cultures. Sure, it was pretty, but they didn't use it as currency...early European explorers were amazed to be given tons of gold for free, because the natives didn't value it the same way they did. In other words, gold had value only to the extent that the culture in question THOUGHT it had value. Pegging anything to gold is turtles all the way down, because gold itself was treated EXACTLY as modern currency is today.

Just stop and think about it. Why does gold have "real value"? Because everyone thinks so. You can't eat it, it's pretty worthless for making tools or weapons, about the only native property it has which is valuable is that it's easy to work and has decent electrical properties. But it's valuable because we've all agreed that it is...just like dollars of yen or euros or whatever. Dollars are just pieces of paper with funny drawings, but they have value because I can take them to Best Buy and exchange a pile of them for a 50" plasma TV. Same with gold...and just like dollars, the value it holds fluctuates. If it had "real value", this wouldn't be true...a plasma TV would always be worth X ounces of gold, varying slightly over time as TV technology changes. But that's obviously not the case, a plasma TV has "real value", gold does not.

But you know what the biggest problem with the "gold standard" is, it doesn't change with the a changing economy. Gold is a commodity, and it's scarcity and value are in no way linked to ANYTHING you might want to purchase in a modern economy. I can't measure the value of my car in ounces of gold any more than I can measure it in barrels of oil, the value of oil and gold can't be controlled or linked to a constantly changing economy...which is why commodity prices are measured in currency and not the other way around. You want to know why we got off the gold standard? It wasn't for a nefarious purpose or part of some capitalist conspiracy theory, it was because, while it was useful in a medieval economy, gold simply could not form the underly base of a modern economy.

And I'd caution you to avoid citing congressmen as unimpeachable resources, they have shown themselves to be singularly incompetent when it comes to the things they are supposed to understand. If they held any other job in that field besides sitting on a congressional committee, they would have been fired long ago.
 

LegendKiller

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Great way of putting it Rainsford. I am sure the Ron Paulbots won't be able to rebut, since all they can do is follow talking points and cut-paste pre-canned bullcrap.
 

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Originally posted by: mc00

He voted no on FEDERAL FUNDING of stem cell research <-- so basically tax payer won't pay for it how about those tax payer want to pay for it? they don't have an saying?

Ron Paul is a real conservative. He wants to make Federal Government smaller not bigger. By wanting the federal government to fund more and more stuff you're making the federal government bigger. His stated goal is to reduce taxes and even kill off the income tax.

If that ever happened you can take your hard earned money and fund an organization that supports stem cell research yourself.
 
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