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Muse

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I think this is the case for something like eleven months in a row, IIRC. Worrying me more is an expert I saw on TV the other day saying we are "already past the tipping point," there's no stopping the global warming freight train. I suppose that means we can't stop the ice caps from melting, the oceans from rising. I think we should pay a great deal of attention to what the climatologists, etc. are saying.
 

Paratus

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no wonder they're always so angry over there.

Explains Texas too.

Unfortunately it will probably get worse before it gets better. Temperature increases could force significant refugee crises by the mid-late 21st century.

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-05-climate-exodus-middle-east-north-africa.html

500 million people live in the Middle East and North Africa - a region which is very hot in summer and where climate change is already evident. The number of extremely hot days has doubled since 1970. "In future, the climate in large parts of the Middle East and North Africa could change in such a manner that the very existence of its inhabitants is in jeopardy," says Jos Lelieveld, Director at the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and Professor at the Cyprus Institute.

People think Europe has a refugee crisis now.....
 

DrPizza

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brycejones

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Explains Texas too.

Unfortunately it will probably get worse before it gets better. Temperature increases could force significant refugee crises by the mid-late 21st century.


People think Europe has a refugee crisis now.....

Come on its their fault for choosing to be born near the equator. They need to fix their own countries and not mess ours up. /s
 

zinfamous

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It is 95-100 Freedom Degrees here (+ ~5-10 with heat index) over the next 4 days here.

This is bullshit.
 

fskimospy

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Explains Texas too.

Unfortunately it will probably get worse before it gets better. Temperature increases could force significant refugee crises by the mid-late 21st century.

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-05-climate-exodus-middle-east-north-africa.html



People think Europe has a refugee crisis now.....

I've noticed that recently the global warming denialism here has decreased. That's good, but it's also sad that the people who argued to vehemently against obvious science will never come back and acknowledge their mistake.
 

bshole

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I think this is the case for something like eleven months in a row, IIRC. Worrying me more is an expert I saw on TV the other day saying we are "already past the tipping point," there's no stopping the global warming freight train. I suppose that means we can't stop the ice caps from melting, the oceans from rising. I think we should pay a great deal of attention to what the climatologists, etc. are saying.

Oh for fucks sake, get the chicken littling under control.

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

The research challenges the conclusions of other studies, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) 2013 report, which says that Antarctica is overall losing land ice.

According to the new analysis of satellite data, the Antarctic ice sheet showed a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001. That net gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

If you think global warming is chasing people out of the Middle East, you seriously have not been paying attention at all. The whole region has run amok and descended into massive tribal warfare across countries.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
 

HeXen

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We need a way to turn the heat from summer months into stored energy. However I think the Jurassic era if I'm not mistaken was typically a lot warmer than it is now. Likely it will continue to warm and eventually gradually fall into another ice age.
 

chucky2

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you are a curious fellow, chucky2.

LOL, hey man, I'm just giving Believers easy 'needless CO2' stopping options they can do now rather than waiting decades for maybe some kind of real change that might save whatever is lost after the Maldives. The only air travel that should be approved is medical necessity flights, everything else - not needed. Do business by Internet and/or mail. I know it's not ideal, but, people need to make sacrifices, Believe that.
 

trenchfoot

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Yet from a corporate profit margin point of view, humans have absolutely no effect on global warming.

Yehhhhh, how convenient.

But those folks in Beijing understand that having constant smog red alerts is simply a minuscule price to pay for achieving first world status via competing with those capitalist devil demons from the west. So it's all good, right?

World climate change? Not going to get in the way of making a buck the fastest most profitable way possible, that's fer sure.
 

Muse

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Oh for fucks sake, get the chicken littling under control.

It wasn't me, I was quoting an expert, I have no reason to think he doesn't know his oats. Now, why should I give you any credence?

The sky isn't falling, the temperatures are rising as is the sea. "We're past the tipping point." Doesn't that mean anything to you? If not, I have to think you're been bought and sold like so many other people.
 

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It amazes me out every single time scientists decide to adjust (change) the data, it always always always adjusts in the direction that supports global warming. It blows my mind that there don't ever seem to be adjustments that make the warming trends looks smaller. I wonder what the statistical probability of this is in a non politically dominated scientific climate. Maybe I have simply missed studies that have adjusted the temps otherwise?
 

Paratus

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Oh for fucks sake, get the chicken littling under control.



If you think global warming is chasing people out of the Middle East, you seriously have not been paying attention at all. The whole region has run amok and descended into massive tribal warfare across countries.

http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

You may be confused. The article says warming in the Middle East will be an issue in the late 21st century. We are currently in the early 21st century. Although if the summer time temperatures were consistently in the 110-120'sF I'd probably move.

As for your NASA article, it's true that the study showed increasing snow pack in the Antartic. However it's not all good news. The rate of snow pack increase is slowing and will turn negative in about 20 years.

But it might only take a few decades for Antarctica’s growth to reverse, according to Zwally. “If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years — I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.”


It also doesn't change the measured sea level rise.
Zwally’s team calculated that the mass gain from the thickening of East Antarctica remained steady from 1992 to 2008 at 200 billion tons per year, while the ice losses from the coastal regions of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula increased by 65 billion tons per year.

“The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away,” Zwally said. “But this is also bad news. If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for.”

But author says his findings doesn't contradict MMGW
The findings do not mean that Antarctica is not in trouble, Zwally notes. "I know some of the climate deniers will jump on this, and say this means we don't have to worry as much as some people have been making out," he says. "It should not take away from the concern about climate warming." As global temperatures rise, Antarctica is expected to contribute more to sea-level rise, though when exactly that effect will kick in, and to what extent, remains unclear. [Nature, 10/2/15]

Which makes sense since Greenland by itself lost over a trillion tons of ice in the last 4 years.
http://m.phys.org/news/2016-07-cryosat-reveals-greenland-ice-loss.html
Between 2011 and 2014, Greenland lost around one trillion tonnes of ice. This corresponds to a 0.75 mm contribution to global sea-level rise each year – about twice the average of the preceding two decades.


So Greenland ice loss is accelerating and Antartic ice gain is slowing. :hmm: Wonder why that is?


(Your increased food production "benefit" of more CO2 doesn't make sense. Food production increased due to better farming methods and while 1st world farms will be better able to absorb the cost of adaption, subsistence farmers in the third world will not)
 

Paratus

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I've noticed that recently the global warming denialism here has decreased. That's good, but it's also sad that the people who argued to vehemently against obvious science will never come back and acknowledge their mistake.

Looks like you spoke too soon.
 

Subyman

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We need a way to turn the heat from summer months into stored energy. However I think the Jurassic era if I'm not mistaken was typically a lot warmer than it is now. Likely it will continue to warm and eventually gradually fall into another ice age.

Sure it's been much warmer in the past. Plant life grew radically. That carbon was eventually stored into coal and tar, sequestering it deep underground. Now we pull it out and burn it, feeding it back into the atmosphere from which it was ripped long ago.
 

bshole

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You may be confused. The article says warming in the Middle East will be an issue in the late 21st century. We are currently in the early 21st century. Although if the summer time temperatures were consistently in the 110-120'sF I'd probably move.

As for your NASA article, it's true that the study showed increasing snow pack in the Antartic. However it's not all good news. The rate of snow pack increase is slowing and will turn negative in about 20 years.


You know I would give some credence to that if a SINGLE CLIMATE SCIENTIST has predicted the increasing ice in Antarctica. They all predicted the opposite. NOW they can explain why it happened but I sure as hell put no credence in their predictive capabilities about the impact of a warming climate and neither should you. They always predict the worst and then explain why it didn't happen. This cycle has occurred all my life. The oil would definitely run out by 2000, the population bomb would wipe out humanity, etc.... What these scientists can not predict and never have predicted is how advancing technology inevitably overcomes with ridiculous ease the worst predictions they make.

The HARD limit is when the fossil fuels become so rare as to be economically unfeasible. That will happen. THAT IS THE TIMELINE ULTIMATELY THAT HUMANITY HAS TO SWITCH OVER. All the fearmongering in the world is not going to change that.
 

Subyman

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You know I would give some credence to that if a SINGLE CLIMATE SCIENTIST has predicted the increasing ice in Antarctica. They all predicted the opposite. NOW they can explain why it happened but I sure as hell put no credence in their predictive capabilities about the impact of a warming climate and neither should you. They always predict the worst and then explain why it didn't happen. This cycle has occurred all my life. The oil would definitely run out by 2000, the population bomb would wipe out humanity, etc.... What these scientists can not predict and never have predicted is how advancing technology inevitably overcomes with ridiculous ease the worst predictions they make.

The HARD limit is when the fossil fuels become so rare as to be economically unfeasible. That will happen. THAT IS THE TIMELINE ULTIMATELY THAT HUMANITY HAS TO SWITCH OVER. All the fearmongering in the world is not going to change that.

Ptolemy used to reason that the planets orbited the Earth. When viewing the planets from that perspective, it looks like the planets move forward and then backwards and make zig zag patterns in the sky. He made an elaborate map that showed the squiggly motion.

Copernicus instead looked at the sun being the center and things started to make more sense. Then Kepler discovered the basic laws of planetary motion.

Are Copernicus and Keplers discoveries in question because Ptoleny was wrong? Or did we learn more and build from ptoleny's mistakes?

Because some were wrong in the past doesn't mean we disregard everything today. We look at the facts and understanding we have and make the best predictions possible. With that in mind, we know a lot more than we did in the 70s. And, as much as skeptics would hate to hear, global cooling was never a consensus.
 
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