This OPM data breach is bad, real BAD!!!

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Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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We don't need to worry about cyber warfare and security like the Chinese are investing heavily in. Dump the money into the F-35 project. That'll keep us safe.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
22,840
617
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When did this story break... yesterday? Yesterday after work I went outside and then out to socialize with real people in the real world. Then I went home and went to bed. Woke up, got ready and went to work. At no point in living my life during that time did I feel like I needed to be fed a bunch of doom and gloom stories from biased sources that prefer to blindly post stuff before fact checking it. So no... I'm not up to date


In other news Obozo is President. South Carolina just took their Confiderate flag down and there's gay marriage in all 50 states.
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
3,990
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Does this mean if you disclose you've used drugs before, you don't get SC? Or would it still be possible?

Because if it's the former, that's like a question on a job application asking if you've ever been a convicted felon. May as well stop right there and walk out.

I've known people that had past drug use. You have to disclose, if they find out you will not get SC. They will let things go if it's (A) Experimental, (B) Short Term (C) Childhood etc...

There are many circumstances. You could have failed out, depression and turned to drugs a short time in your life, entered a drug treatment program and never used for 20 years, yet you need to list that shit...
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
52,927
5,797
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for the most part, if you don't lie and don't have anything super duper major wrong with your background, you will get a clearance.

i had a felony on my record (although expunged now) and i just let them know about it, even though it's not on my records.

even though my last drug use was prior to the 10 years that they were asking about, i just brought it up anyways.

being honest doesn't hurt anything for them, it will only help.
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
3,990
6
81
for the most part, if you don't lie and don't have anything super duper major wrong with your background, you will get a clearance.

i had a felony on my record (although expunged now) and i just let them know about it, even though it's not on my records.

even though my last drug use was prior to the 10 years that they were asking about, i just brought it up anyways.

being honest doesn't hurt anything for them, it will only help.

That kind of like when I shot my neighbors dog, raped his wife and burned his house down. I then took his Mercedes c300 and robbed a bank $250,000. I drove the vehicle off a cliff with his wife's body in it. That was a felony. I simply listed that and they were OK with it because I was honest.

Being honest doesn't hurt anything for them, it will only help.
 

z1ggy

Lifer
May 17, 2008
10,004
63
91
Hopefully out of the info stolen from OP, one is his Anandtech password so maybe somebody who isn't a total retard can log in and post for him.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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That one? That was so long ago this sounded like a new issue. So they're just now discovering how much shit they got access to? No wonder nobody was talking about it around here... it's not even new
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
14,218
4,446
136
in the wrong hands it could be bad. i know this is very extreme, but it could very easily be used in the terrorists hands as leverage to make someone with a clearance do something through threatening a family member since you have to include their addresses and stuff on there.

Yes, that is pretty extreme. More than likely they are going to use it to defraud the loan industry. Think about it, they got everything they need to fill out loan and credit applications for 20 million people. They got our full name, SSN, DOB, Mother's Maiden, phone number, our current and all our previous addresses, lists of friends and family with their phone numbers and addresses...

Personally I think nothing is going to happen for the next year or two, then there is going to be a slew of fraudulent credit and loan applications. It is going to bring the financial industry to it's knees. In three years time you will only be able to apply for a loan of credit card in person in your local bank with two forms of picture ID.
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
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Yes, that is pretty extreme. More than likely they are going to use it to defraud the loan industry. Think about it, they got everything they need to fill out loan and credit applications for 20 million people. They got our full name, SSN, DOB, Mother's Maiden, phone number, our current and all our previous addresses, lists of friends and family with their phone numbers and addresses...

Personally I think nothing is going to happen for the next year or two, then there is going to be a slew of fraudulent credit and loan applications. It is going to bring the financial industry to it's knees. In three years time you will only be able to apply for a loan of credit card in person in your local bank with two forms of picture ID.

I don't think it will be like that. I think the worse someone could do with that information is pick out the most important people there that have DIRT in their name and fully publish this on Wikileaks

Example:

So so slept with so so,
So so has HIV
So so had sex with a relative
So so had homosexual relations, once experimentally (even though they are straight)
So so had sexual relations with a animal that came up during a Poly Full Lifestyle!

And these people were granted SC!!!!
 

cabri

Diamond Member
Nov 3, 2012
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When did this story break... yesterday? Yesterday after work I went outside and then out to socialize with real people in the real world. Then I went home and went to bed. Woke up, got ready and went to work. At no point in living my life during that time did I feel like I needed to be fed a bunch of doom and gloom stories from biased sources that prefer to blindly post stuff before fact checking it. So no... I'm not up to date

April.

That one? That was so long ago this sounded like a new issue. So they're just now discovering how much shit they got access to? No wonder nobody was talking about it around here... it's not even new
It is just that the extent of the breach is continually being updates/expanded.

Gets worse all the time.
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
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It is just that the extent of the breach is continually being updates/expanded.

Gets worse all the time.

The first I've heard about it was around the Yesterday/Today time-frame. It must have been minimized initially or there was no expansion on which are of the GOV was affected. Now the story has more details.
 

Murloc

Diamond Member
Jun 24, 2008
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20 million means 6.3% of the US population is affected by this.

Is it really necessary for the security of the country to require clearances for this much of the population?
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
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20 million means 6.3% of the US population is affected by this.

Is it really necessary for the security of the country to require clearances for this much of the population?

You have to consider current and past.

Also you need to understand the diff between a BG investigation and Clearance, also applying for a JOB.

Pretty much that's a lot of people. 6.3 sounds about right!!!!

There are probably people who left the GOV in 2001 retired, and are now affected.
 

SMOGZINN

Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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You have to consider current and past.

Also you need to understand the diff between a BG investigation and Clearance, also applying for a JOB.

Pretty much that's a lot of people. 6.3 sounds about right!!!!

There are probably people who left the GOV in 2001 retired, and are now affected.

It is not just that either. They got the entire Central Personnel Data File, which holds all the personnel information for all current and and previous federal employees. That includes Social Security number, military records and veterans’ status information, address, birth date, job and pay history, health insurance info, life insurance info, and pension information, age, gender, race, union status. There is a total of 780 pieces of information on each individual in that file.
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
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It is not just that either. They got the entire Central Personnel Data File, which holds all the personnel information for all current and and previous federal employees. That includes Social Security number, military records and veterans’ status information, address, birth date, job and pay history, health insurance info, life insurance info, and pension information, age, gender, race, union status. There is a total of 780 pieces of information on each individual in that file.

I guess if you leave your info open like this, it's not hard for people to figure things out!!!

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...a-policy-guidance/reporting-guidance/ge60.pdf
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,803
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That one? That was so long ago this sounded like a new issue. So they're just now discovering how much shit they got access to? No wonder nobody was talking about it around here... it's not even new

same breach. Scale of the breach has been updated to include 4-5x the original estimated number of people effected.

So, it's "nearly everyone" that applied for gov't background check for security clearance over the last 15 years, and this includes spouses of those applying for clearance.

oops.

Good thing we have people like John Conner out there who truly believe that missiles, planes, and other relics of 20th century warfare are where our defense budget should be spent.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,803
29,553
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20 million means 6.3% of the US population is affected by this.

Is it really necessary for the security of the country to require clearances for this much of the population?

that number includes individuals that aren't necessarily applying, but are close enough in relationship to those applying--such as spouse, family, certain relationships, etc--where a portion of their personal information is also "necessary" for proper disclosure.
 

steppinthrax

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2006
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Why is all this info kept online? If you're cleared to work as a government worker should you just need an access card?

It's not.

But I suspect the vector is online. Back in 2007 the Gov switched the SF-86 to a online site called eqip.

https://www.opm.gov/investigations/e-qip-application/

As you can see the site is down for security enhancements!!!!!

My suspicion is some sort of hack traversal through this system to the repository!!!
 

Murloc

Diamond Member
Jun 24, 2008
5,382
65
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You have to consider current and past.

Also you need to understand the diff between a BG investigation and Clearance, also applying for a JOB.

Pretty much that's a lot of people. 6.3 sounds about right!!!!

There are probably people who left the GOV in 2001 retired, and are now affected.
well if soldiers and anyone employed in defense are required to go through this as well then it makes sense.

In my country they found out after a guy completed his compulsory service and went home with his free assault rifle that he was a violent criminal. So they forced him to keep it in the military arsenal.
 

NuclearNed

Raconteur
May 18, 2001
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I just got this email from our corporate office:

In the coming weeks, OPM will notify affected employees by mail. OPM will provide full service identity theft restoration support and victim recovery assistance, identity theft insurance, identity theft monitoring for minor children, continuous credit monitoring and fraud monitoring services beyond credit files.
 
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