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If you set the Union Jack on fire while pissing on it underneath a dozen flags hanging upside down on the top of parliment i would not give a flying fuck.

It's just a fucking flag, it carries no meaning what so FUCKING EVER!

If you want meaning, there are better ways than crying over a fucking flag on an internet forum.
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If you set the Union Jack on fire while pissing on it underneath a dozen flags hanging upside down on the top of parliment i would not give a flying fuck.

It's just a fucking flag, it carries no meaning what so FUCKING EVER!

If you want meaning, there are better ways than crying over a fucking flag on an internet forum.

How do you tell when the Union Jack is upside down??
 
Jun 26, 2007
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If you set the Union Jack on fire while pissing on it underneath a dozen flags hanging upside down on the top of parliment i would not give a flying fuck.

It's just a fucking flag, it carries no meaning what so FUCKING EVER!

If you want meaning, there are better ways than crying over a fucking flag on an internet forum.

How do you tell when the Union Jack is upside down??

The "made in China" tag is on the upper side if it's upside down of course.

Think i set you up for that joke.

I'm a sneaky basterd.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If you set the Union Jack on fire while pissing on it underneath a dozen flags hanging upside down on the top of parliment i would not give a flying fuck.

It's just a fucking flag, it carries no meaning what so FUCKING EVER!

If you want meaning, there are better ways than crying over a fucking flag on an internet forum.

How do you tell when the Union Jack is upside down??

The "made in China" tag is on the upper side if it's upside down of course.

Think i set you up for that joke.

I'm a sneaky basterd.

:laugh:
 

Harvey

Administrator<br>Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
If you set the Union Jack on fire while pissing on it underneath a dozen flags hanging upside down on the top of parliment i would not give a flying fuck.

It's just a fucking flag, it carries no meaning what so FUCKING EVER!

If you want meaning, there are better ways than crying over a fucking flag on an internet forum.

How do you tell when the Union Jack is upside down??

The "made in China" tag is on the upper side if it's upside down of course.

Think i set you up for that joke.

I'm a sneaky basterd.

:laugh:

+1 :laugh:
 

Jiggz

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This must be a preclude for China to buy more U.S. Gov't bonds. With $9T deficit coming up pretty soon, we better start sucking up on those who have surplus.
 

Craig234

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May 1, 2006
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
It has nothing to do with any perceived "takeovers."

I don't necessarily know why this bothers me so much, I just know is that it does. I guess I consider the WH to be hallowed/scared ground of some sort -- or a symbol of what I have spent my life fighting for...?

I'm ok with the fact that such things probably come across as silly, petty, or downright stupid to some other people -- such perceptions or opinions of me won't change my own opinion on this subject.

I never thought I'd say this, but thank you Craig.

You're welcome - and I meant it nicer than it sounded. Can I risk undoing the pleasant sentiment though by taking it a step further.

I think I have some sense of where you are coming from. We have in our nationalism some sense of being protective of our national independance and pride.

Whether you hear a story of a president saying something disrespectful of our national political system (i.e., that some part of the constitution was written by people who didn't have a clue and it's to be worked around), or illicit sex (or talk of corrupt activities) in the oval office, or the President being threatened by power whether corporate or foreign as in telling him he will do what they want, they have leverage, or any other disrespect, it's natural to feel irritated, irked, violated and to resent it and want to prevent it.

The step further I'd like to take it is to ask you to consider the issue in more detail - to consider what it means to you. To separate the good from the bad underlying that reaction - what is 'good' patriotism and what is 'bad'. Sometimes, that sentiment of nationalism goes too far, when the peopel of a nation rejoice in their nation humiliating ro dominating a less powerful nation, because it reminds them how powerful they are - it's a bully mentality.

Sometimes, the sentiment can become too fixated on the symbols of the nation - the details of the flag being hung just right, the national anthem not having any twists added - and the 'more important' principles of our nation can slide down the list a bit while the symbols are well and good.

One thing I think is helpful is to put yourself in to the shoes of other nations, and consider their patriotism too, especially in the way they are weaker than the US and perhaps others.

I think that helps create a healthy sense of patriotism for your own country and a respect for theirs - and even reminds you about your identity in the human race before nation.

There's an interesting tiny book that laid out some ideas I'd also considered, called "Superpatriotism", by Michael Parenti (a leftist author), which explores what happens for many when patriotism becomes a sort of exaggerated version that can get out of control, and explores what patriotiem means more legitimately. I'm not saying you are gulty of its topic buit that you might find the issues it explores of use.

An excerpt:

Some superpatriots claim that they love America because of the freedom it gives us. Yet most of them seem to love freedom only in the abstract, for they cannot stand the dissidence and protests that are the actual practice of a free people. They have trouble tolerating criticisms directed against certain US policies and institutions. If anything, superpatriots show themselves ever ready to support greater political conformity and more repressive measures against heterodoxy.

We might question the quality of the freedom we are said to enjoy, for in truth we are not as free as we often suppose. To be out of step in one's political opinions is often to put one's career in jeopardy-even in a profession like teaching, which professes a dedication to academic freedom.' The journalists who work for big media conglomerates and who claim to be untrammeled in their reportage overlook the fact that they are free to say what they like because their bosses like what they say They rarely, if ever, stray beyond the respectable parameters of the dominant paradigm, and when they do so, it is at their own risk.

The major media in the United States are owned by giant corporations and influenced by rich corporate advertisers who seldom question the doings of the free-market profit system at home and abroad. The assumptions behind US foreign policy go largely unexamined in news analysis and commentary. Those who have critical views regarding corporate power and US global interventionism rarely get an opportunity to reach a mass audience.

For what it's worth, if it were up tome, I'd lean towards not having started the practice of ever flying another nation's flag over the White House, either. We can look at is and understand the diplomatic interpretation that it's nothing but a goodwill gesture not meant to put the US in a degrading position, but there's a sense 'that's OUR symbol'. We don't expect France to fly the US flag over the Eiffel tower.

 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: tk149
I don't see the problem as long as the flag of <insert country's name here> isn't raised higher than the US flag. Mutual respect is good.
This is the key. Once the visitors leave, their flag comes down.
 

Siddhartha

Lifer
Oct 17, 1999
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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.

Foreign flags are flown at the white house every time a foreign dignitary makes a state visit. I don't know the deets on this ceremony taking place as there's been very little coverage, not that that's stopping the freepers from suiting up in kevlar.

One can make an argument we shouldn't be "honoring" a communist country with an abysmal human rights record, but that's a separate argument entirely.

I remember once Prince Charles was at the White House and pointed out that they were flying the UK flag upside down.
 
Jun 26, 2007
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Obviously it's because China is turning Muslim. That is why the Kenyan born Muslim, Herr Hussein the Nazi is their friend.

OBVIOUSLY!
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.

Hey, your heroes set the country up for this.

Don't like your own poison eh?

 

jpeyton

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Aug 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: Wheezer
so nice and comforting.
It would have been nicer if you turned off your Chinese-made computer and never made this troll thread.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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I don't see what the problem is, i always thought that was standard diplomatic protocol when receiving foreign dignitaries.
 

TheSkinsFan

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May 15, 2009
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.

Hey, your heroes set the country up for this.

Don't like your own poison eh?
I hate to feed you, but I must know: Who are my "heroes"?
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: cubby1223
This is so wrong on so many levels. This country is facing a serious problem of distrust in our government. And what has the Obama Administration done to address these problems? He just goes out and day after day after day adds more fuel to the fire!

And the "progressive" solution to this is to beat the unbelievers into submission :roll:

This administration really needs to fucking back off for a little while, for the good of the nation.

cubby you should change your name to Hysterical Little Girl!!!
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.
Is this not common for special events?

I was wondering that too.

yes he made a stupid. He wont be back to this thread. lulz.

Oh, I'll be back alright. Any of you fucksticks who think my objections have anything to do with party or partisan hackery are barking up the wrong tree -- I voted for the same guy as most of you far-left douchebags. This is simply the first I have ever heard of such lunacy involving foreign flags in front of the WH, and I personally think that it's complete and utter bullshit that it has ever happened, under any President, regardless of their particular political affiliations.

This bothers me, plain and simple. Then again, I also tear up every time I stand and listen to the U.S. National Anthem; but I'm guessing most of you could never comprehend such a thing.

Some symbols obviously mean different things to different people.

/shrug

My God another wingnut wacko!!
This has nothing to do with patriotism or loving your country!!
 

TheSkinsFan

Golden Member
May 15, 2009
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.
Is this not common for special events?

I was wondering that too.

yes he made a stupid. He wont be back to this thread. lulz.

Oh, I'll be back alright. Any of you fucksticks who think my objections have anything to do with party or partisan hackery are barking up the wrong tree -- I voted for the same guy as most of you far-left douchebags. This is simply the first I have ever heard of such lunacy involving foreign flags in front of the WH, and I personally think that it's complete and utter bullshit that it has ever happened, under any President, regardless of their particular political affiliations.

This bothers me, plain and simple. Then again, I also tear up every time I stand and listen to the U.S. National Anthem; but I'm guessing most of you could never comprehend such a thing.

Some symbols obviously mean different things to different people.

/shrug

My God another wingnut wacko!!
This has nothing to do with patriotism or loving your country!!
"Wingnut wacko"?! LOL!

AFAIC, my feelings on this issue have everything to do with patriotism and the love I have for my country, as well as the symbols that represent my country. If you bothered to keep reading, you'd realize that I'm simply bothered by this -- I just never imagined that diplomatic protocol would extend to foreign flags being flown over the WH by any President.

It bothers me, that's all.

Get over yourself.
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.
Is this not common for special events?

I was wondering that too.

yes he made a stupid. He wont be back to this thread. lulz.

Oh, I'll be back alright. Any of you fucksticks who think my objections have anything to do with party or partisan hackery are barking up the wrong tree -- I voted for the same guy as most of you far-left douchebags. This is simply the first I have ever heard of such lunacy involving foreign flags in front of the WH, and I personally think that it's complete and utter bullshit that it has ever happened, under any President, regardless of their particular political affiliations.

This bothers me, plain and simple. Then again, I also tear up every time I stand and listen to the U.S. National Anthem; but I'm guessing most of you could never comprehend such a thing.

Some symbols obviously mean different things to different people.

/shrug

My God another wingnut wacko!!
This has nothing to do with patriotism or loving your country!!
"Wingnut wacko"?! LOL!

AFAIC, my feelings on this issue have everything to do with patriotism and the love I have for my country, as well as the symbols that represent my country. If you bothered to keep reading, you'd realize that I'm simply bothered by this -- I just never imagined that diplomatic protocol would extend to foreign flags being flown over the WH by any President.

It bothers me, that's all.

Get over yourself.

ANOTHER WACKO...probably home schooled..lol
 

TheSkinsFan

Golden Member
May 15, 2009
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
My God another wingnut wacko!!
This has nothing to do with patriotism or loving your country!!
"Wingnut wacko"?! LOL!

AFAIC, my feelings on this issue have everything to do with patriotism and the love I have for my country, as well as the symbols that represent my country. If you bothered to keep reading, you'd realize that I'm simply bothered by this -- I just never imagined that diplomatic protocol would extend to foreign flags being flown over the WH by any President.

It bothers me, that's all.

Get over yourself.

ANOTHER WACKO...probably home schooled..lol
Outside of threads dealing with your precious Israel, all I've ever seen you do is troll. Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

Please articulate exactly what it was that led you to believe that I'm a "whacko."
 

dualsmp

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Chinese associations in the United States had applied to hold a ceremony in front of the US President?s residence to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC.

This doesn't see like a standard diplomatic courtesy as some seem to be suggesting. According the OP's original article this is a celebration of the 60th anniversary of founding of the People's Republic of China. Why the fuck the White House is celebrating the founding of the Communist People's Republic of China is beyond comprehension. Instead of holding the ceremony on the White House lawn, or across the street, or wherever the fuck it's going to be held, maybe the Chicoms should hold the ceremony in the middle of the the Vietnam memorial and really rub it in good. :roll: :thumbsdown:
 

StinkyPinky

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Originally posted by: dualsmp
Chinese associations in the United States had applied to hold a ceremony in front of the US President?s residence to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC.

This doesn't see like a standard diplomatic courtesy as some seem to be suggesting. According the OP's original article this is a celebration of the 60th anniversary of founding of the People's Republic of China. Why the fuck the White House is celebrating the founding of the Communist People's Republic of China is beyond comprehension. Instead of holding the ceremony on the White House lawn, or across the street, or wherever the fuck it's going to be held, maybe the Chicoms should hold the ceremony in the middle of the the Vietnam memorial and really rub it in good. :roll: :thumbsdown:

This isn't the 50s you know. Who cares if China is communist? That's their business. The average persons standard of living has actually increased since the communist takeover. Communism seems to work for them.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Originally posted by: dualsmp
Chinese associations in the United States had applied to hold a ceremony in front of the US President?s residence to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC.

This doesn't see like a standard diplomatic courtesy as some seem to be suggesting. According the OP's original article this is a celebration of the 60th anniversary of founding of the People's Republic of China. Why the fuck the White House is celebrating the founding of the Communist People's Republic of China is beyond comprehension. Instead of holding the ceremony on the White House lawn, or across the street, or wherever the fuck it's going to be held, maybe the Chicoms should hold the ceremony in the middle of the the Vietnam memorial and really rub it in good. :roll: :thumbsdown:

This isn't the 50s you know. Who cares if China is communist? That's their business. The average persons standard of living has actually increased since the communist takeover. Communism seems to work for them.

China is kind of like the US when we had slavery.

Forcing people to do things against their will gets shit done and puts more money in the average persons pocket, but it is morally reprehensible.

Slavery = Chinese work camps, sweatshops, prison camps, illegal organ harvesting, ignoring minimum standards for products etc..
 

dualsmp

Golden Member
Aug 16, 2003
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Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Originally posted by: dualsmp
Chinese associations in the United States had applied to hold a ceremony in front of the US President?s residence to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC.

This doesn't see like a standard diplomatic courtesy as some seem to be suggesting. According the OP's original article this is a celebration of the 60th anniversary of founding of the People's Republic of China. Why the fuck the White House is celebrating the founding of the Communist People's Republic of China is beyond comprehension. Instead of holding the ceremony on the White House lawn, or across the street, or wherever the fuck it's going to be held, maybe the Chicoms should hold the ceremony in the middle of the the Vietnam memorial and really rub it in good. :roll: :thumbsdown:

This isn't the 50s you know. Who cares if China is communist? That's their business. The average persons standard of living has actually increased since the communist takeover. Communism seems to work for them.

Yeah I know. It's da New World Order.

Should we buddy up with Cuba too? How bout we invite Castro on the White House lawn and celebrate Cuba for wonderful country it is. :disgust: Perhaps a more appropriate place would be to hold the ceremony in Miami then dedicate a bronze a statue of Castro and stick it on Miami beach?

Maybe the entire US Congress should head over to China and celebrate the 4th of July in Red Square? Think China will go for it? After all it would only be fair in the "new global village".
 
Jun 26, 2007
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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Seriously, how can any self-respecting American be OK with any foreign flag hanging on the White House lawn?! This is simply incomprehensible to me.

We raise your flag when your president comes to London and you bloody well raise ours when the PM goes to Washington. What could possibly be wrong with that?

Well, it's the commie scare still going.

Some people will never get over their fears.
 
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