This was posted on every foreign car outside my building this morning.

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: amdhunter

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: amdhunter

I drive the absolute shittiest German car too (VW) and it's build is infinitely better than almost every American (and most Japanese) cars.

You have a Mexican-made VW

Rabbits are built in Germany. The 2.5 is built in Mexico, and not much else if I recall.

Some GTi's and GLi's are also made in Mexico (at least 65% of it is...)

I thought the newer ones (GTI, GLI and Rabbit) were all made in wolfsburg. That was my understanding. At least mine is.

 

[amdhunter]

BTW, in my family I have access to my German GLi, my brothers Japanese Evolution MR, and my fathers American 300C SRT8.

My car, while not nearly as powerful as theirs, does NOT rattle like my brothers Evo, hasn't had it's transmission spring a leak twice like my fathers SRT, has a better looking interior/dash than both of their MUCH more expensive cars, and is solidly built -- close the door on either of their cars and it feels like it's gonna fall apart, close mines and it's a nice solid thump.

I don't think I will ever buy anything else but German cars from now on, although I might go with a higher end brand like Audi, Benz or BMW next time around.

 

[Tsaico]

My ford f-150 is mostly made in the US and is listed as #1. Or at least according to cars.com.
In fact, the top ten only has one foreign made car on the list this year. Toyota still has a lot, which the story goes into, but much of it has been changed.

Someone was telling me, many of the foreign cars are built in mexico to get around some import taxes. I don't know if it is true, but I guess a completed car is taxed at one rate if it arrives on a ship from overseas, but another if it comes over land since it was completed in Mexico as point of origin.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: amdhunter

I drive the absolute shittiest German car too (VW) and it's build is infinitely better than almost every American (and most Japanese) cars.

You have a Mexican-made VW, I just have to laugh at your vouching for its build. Those things have one of the worst build qualities this decade.

I don't know where my Rabbit was built, but in the last year or so that I've had it, I've run into no problems other than needing a replacement windshield thanks to Mississippi's lovely highway road quality.

The same could also be said for the Hyundai I drove before this, but the Rabbit definitely feels more solid.

Edit: In responding (somewhat) to the topic at hand, I'll mention that I've driven late model Focuses and G5's as rentals, and have been fairly impressed with both (other than the appearance of the interior, of which I wasn't a huge fan in either case).

We've got a Rabbit too. It's built in Germany.

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: amdhunter

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: amdhunter

I drive the absolute shittiest German car too (VW) and it's build is infinitely better than almost every American (and most Japanese) cars.

You have a Mexican-made VW

Rabbits are built in Germany. The 2.5 is built in Mexico, and not much else if I recall.

Some GTi's and GLi's are also made in Mexico (at least 65% of it is...)

I thought the newer ones (GTI, GLI and Rabbit) were all made in wolfsburg. That was my understanding. At least mine is.

Some are assembled in Mexico. Assembled doesn't quite mean made in Mexico I guess.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
i once had some dude in a pickup yell at me at a gas station for driving a honda

makes me be ashamed to be american. the american way is capitalism, and taking advantage of a global economy. not dumping money into an inferior product. you can tell by the grammar of that letter your mystery note leaver is probably an Asian

Fixed that for grammatikul ackercy

 

[So]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Well if Americans didn't build pieces of shit I wouldn't have to drive a German car.

I drive the absolute shittiest German car too (VW) and it's build is infinitely better than almost every American (and most Japanese) cars.

EDIT: Any my car was built in Mexico mostly, that should really drive that fuckwit insane.

A Volkswagen? Why not drive a lemon with wheels.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
I cant believe all the unpatriotic bastards in this thread. :|

:laugh: Good one.

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Well if Americans didn't build pieces of shit I wouldn't have to drive a German car.

I drive the absolute shittiest German car too (VW) and it's build is infinitely better than almost every American (and most Japanese) cars.

EDIT: Any my car was built in Mexico mostly, that should really drive that fuckwit insane.

A Volkswagen? Why not drive a lemon with wheels.

Aside from the shifter-linkage needing adjustment, I haven't had any real problems with it. It took an accident to break a transmission mount, and VW fixed it for free under warranty.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion ... but that's not going to help anything.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: rh71
My 2 foreign cars are made in Lafayette, IN and Spartanburg, SC.

Are you sure? IIRC not all Honda's, Toyota's, etc are made in America. Just some.

 

[Saint Nick]

Yes, buying a second hand vehicle does not affect our economy. Only new items do

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: rh71
My 2 foreign cars are made in Lafayette, IN and Spartanburg, SC.

Are you sure? IIRC not all Honda's, Toyota's, etc are made in America. Just some.

Lafayette, IN is the suburu plant and Camry's are also built at that plant.

 

[Crono]

They should be ashamed of themselves for lwasting paper and posting unwanted crap on other people's cars.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: Tsaico
My ford f-150 is mostly made in the US and is listed as #1. Or at least according to cars.com.
In fact, the top ten only has one foreign made car on the list this year. Toyota still has a lot, which the story goes into, but much of it has been changed.

Someone was telling me, many of the foreign cars are built in mexico to get around some import taxes. I don't know if it is true, but I guess a completed car is taxed at one rate if it arrives on a ship from overseas, but another if it comes over land since it was completed in Mexico as point of origin.

I don't know if that is true or not, but I do know that "domestic content" includes Mexico and Canada, so a car with 75% Mexican or Canadian content could make that list. So much for truth in advertising. :roll:

 

[Linflas]

So I'm thinking my next car is going to be a Japanese SUV.

 

[eLiu]

sounds like an asian wrote that, lol. all the dropped plurals...

 

[thereds]

Originally posted by: evident
despite their increase in quality, i probably wont ever buy a big 3 car because of all the retards who spread this dribble.


btw OP where in philly was this?

Art Museum area.

 

[Fritzo]

I saw a bumper sticker with similar wording sometime back on a Ford Festiva.


Google where the parts for Festivas were made.

 

[miketheidiot]

i was just thinking about this, but i don't think i've ever seen a chevy cobalt

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Tonight you should go issue a reply to everyone with an American car:

"If Americans didn't build such shitty cars maybe I'd buy one"

If that were still true, you'd have a point. But it's not, and hasn't been for years now. But the perception is, foreign cars are better-made.

Funny how the busiest service departments are the foreign dealers. Especially Honda and Toyota.

The two Honda dealers in this immediate area both run their shops until midnight. Full of broken-down Hondas. I've been to one twice to repair water leaks in Hondas this week.
Toyota shops are full, Mazda shops are full. Nissan has lots of cars to work on.

Domestic shops are dead. All the ones around here (and there are a few HUGE dealers) have trimmed their personnel down to less than half of what it was, and they STILL don't have enough work to keep busy more than half a day. The cars simply are not breaking down much anymore.

Fact of the matter is, if you buy a new Ford or Chevy right now, you can expect it to last just as long as any foreign brand, with proper maintenance.

The other sad fact is, people tend to neglect proper maintenance on domestic cars The ones that don't are getting long life out of their vehicles.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. It sounds like you're implying that american cars are actually more reliable than foreign cars because of your personal observations of how busy service shops are. But then it sounds like you're saying they are on the same level, which is pretty much true now.

Throughout the 80's and 90's, foreign cars were far more reliable overall than american cars. No matter what anyone's personal anecdotal evidence was, that is the truth.
It's also true that american car companies have made great progress in the last 10 years and have started producing some cars that are just as dependable as foreign cars.

At this point, you really can't just make a blanket statement that american cars are pieces of shit. Instead, you have to look at the specific company and model. Some of them suck, some of them are great cars. Same thing goes for the foreign makers. Toyota still makes very reliable cars, Kia still doesn't.

In either case, I believe in free markets and capitalism, so I'm going to buy the car that I like the best, regardless of whether it's an "american" or "foreign" car.

Right now, I've got a 2005 Suburban and a 2005 Honda Pilot. I love both these cars, though I still prefer how tight and solid everything in the Honda feels and overall I think the Honda engineers made better design and usability choices. As far as reliability, I don't know about the Suburban because we've only had it a couple months. I can tell you that we bought the Pilot new and have put 65k miles on it with a grand total of zero dollars in repairs. The other Honda we owned was a '91 Accord that we bought new. We drove that car for 6 years and put 80k miles on it and never spent a dime on a repair.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Tonight you should go issue a reply to everyone with an American car:

"If Americans didn't build such shitty cars maybe I'd buy one"

If that were still true, you'd have a point. But it's not, and hasn't been for years now. But the perception is, foreign cars are better-made.

Funny how the busiest service departments are the foreign dealers. Especially Honda and Toyota.

The two Honda dealers in this immediate area both run their shops until midnight. Full of broken-down Hondas. I've been to one twice to repair water leaks in Hondas this week.
Toyota shops are full, Mazda shops are full. Nissan has lots of cars to work on.

Domestic shops are dead. All the ones around here (and there are a few HUGE dealers) have trimmed their personnel down to less than half of what it was, and they STILL don't have enough work to keep busy more than half a day. The cars simply are not breaking down much anymore.

Fact of the matter is, if you buy a new Ford or Chevy right now, you can expect it to last just as long as any foreign brand, with proper maintenance.

The other sad fact is, people tend to neglect proper maintenance on domestic cars The ones that don't are getting long life out of their vehicles.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. It sounds like you're implying that american cars are actually more reliable than foreign cars because of your personal observations of how busy service shops are. But then it sounds like you're saying they are on the same level, which is pretty much true now.

Throughout the 80's and 90's, foreign cars were far more reliable overall than american cars. No matter what anyone's personal anecdotal evidence was, that is the truth.
It's also true that american car companies have made great progress in the last 10 years and have started producing some cars that are just as dependable as foreign cars.

At this point, you really can't just make a blanket statement that american cars are pieces of shit. Instead, you have to look at the specific company and model. Some of them suck, some of them are great cars. Same thing goes for the foreign makers. Toyota still makes very reliable cars, Kia still doesn't.

In either case, I believe in free markets and capitalism, so I'm going to buy the car that I like the best, regardless of whether it's an "american" or "foreign" car.

Right now, I've got a 2005 Suburban and a 2005 Honda Pilot. I love both these cars, though I still prefer how tight and solid everything in the Honda feels and overall I think the Honda engineers made better design and usability choices. As far as reliability, I don't know about the Suburban because we've only had it a couple months. I can tell you that we bought the Pilot new and have put 65k miles on it with a grand total of zero dollars in repairs. The other Honda we owned was a '91 Accord that we bought new. We drove that car for 6 years and put 80k miles on it and never spent a dime on a repair.

It could be something as simple as the fact that there are around 3700 GM dealers in the US and around 1200 Toyota dealers. Too many dealerships is one of the many problems the domestic makers have.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Tonight you should go issue a reply to everyone with an American car:

"If Americans didn't build such shitty cars maybe I'd buy one"

If that were still true, you'd have a point. But it's not, and hasn't been for years now. But the perception is, foreign cars are better-made.

Funny how the busiest service departments are the foreign dealers. Especially Honda and Toyota.

The two Honda dealers in this immediate area both run their shops until midnight. Full of broken-down Hondas. I've been to one twice to repair water leaks in Hondas this week.
Toyota shops are full, Mazda shops are full. Nissan has lots of cars to work on.

Domestic shops are dead. All the ones around here (and there are a few HUGE dealers) have trimmed their personnel down to less than half of what it was, and they STILL don't have enough work to keep busy more than half a day. The cars simply are not breaking down much anymore.

Fact of the matter is, if you buy a new Ford or Chevy right now, you can expect it to last just as long as any foreign brand, with proper maintenance.

The other sad fact is, people tend to neglect proper maintenance on domestic cars The ones that don't are getting long life out of their vehicles.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. It sounds like you're implying that american cars are actually more reliable than foreign cars because of your personal observations of how busy service shops are. But then it sounds like you're saying they are on the same level, which is pretty much true now.

Throughout the 80's and 90's, foreign cars were far more reliable overall than american cars. No matter what anyone's personal anecdotal evidence was, that is the truth.
It's also true that american car companies have made great progress in the last 10 years and have started producing some cars that are just as dependable as foreign cars.

At this point, you really can't just make a blanket statement that american cars are pieces of shit. Instead, you have to look at the specific company and model. Some of them suck, some of them are great cars. Same thing goes for the foreign makers. Toyota still makes very reliable cars, Kia still doesn't.

In either case, I believe in free markets and capitalism, so I'm going to buy the car that I like the best, regardless of whether it's an "american" or "foreign" car.

Right now, I've got a 2005 Suburban and a 2005 Honda Pilot. I love both these cars, though I still prefer how tight and solid everything in the Honda feels and overall I think the Honda engineers made better design and usability choices. As far as reliability, I don't know about the Suburban because we've only had it a couple months. I can tell you that we bought the Pilot new and have put 65k miles on it with a grand total of zero dollars in repairs. The other Honda we owned was a '91 Accord that we bought new. We drove that car for 6 years and put 80k miles on it and never spent a dime on a repair.

It could be something as simple as the fact that there are around 3700 GM dealers in the US and around 1200 Toyota dealers. Too many dealerships is one of the many problems the domestic makers have.

Agreed. And busy doesn't mean that their cars are unreliable. Many people, myself included, take our cars to the dealer for routine maintenance.

 

[imported_six]

My professor (PhD from the University of Chicago) who specializes in operation management and statistical quality control said the best quality car brand in terms of meeting the specs are BMW and Honda. The closer a car is manufactured to the specs, the less problems you'll have over its lifetime.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: rh71
My 2 foreign cars are made in Lafayette, IN and Spartanburg, SC.

Are you sure? IIRC not all Honda's, Toyota's, etc are made in America. Just some.

Isuzu Rodeo / Honda Passport was in Lafayette as per the sticker on the door jam.

X5s, X6s, & Z4s are thrown together in Spartanburg, SC.