I don't know much about weapons, but if they ban automatic and semi-auto rifles what's left? Muzzle loaders, bolt action? When will we see a musket massacre?
We could always invade Samoa again.If NZ followed the 911 template, they'd have to invade the country next-door to the one the killer came from. Which would be, er...New Zealand. So it's not surprising they found another option.
That said - are we _sure_ they've banned semi-auto rifles already? Last I heard the PM had declared her intention to accomplish that, but surely there are a lot more steps to get through before it actually happens?
Handguns are already essentially banned outside of shooting ranges in New Zealand. Unlike rifles and shotguns they aren't especially useful for hunting or livestock euthanasia.dont forget revolvers. but in any event, I doubt any od those would be used because of 1) lack of speed and 2) lack of "cool factor"
ARs are cool because the military uses them. the same way a high powered car or race-replica appeals to car people. at least that's my 0.02.
We are not going to do anything about gun deaths in our nation, we're just going to let the killings go on and on because we are constitutionally locked when it comes to guns. It will stay this way with the bodies piling up until we have a shooting incident that is so horrendous that a majority of the public demands that things change and votes out the people who refuse to do anything.
Too many people in our nation think our 2nd Amendment is worth far more than the innocent lives lost to it.
By your logic you should be in favor of hand grenades for every man woman and child because hand grenades are the issue since people have been killing each other since the dawn of man.So when every item deemed to cause mass casualty is banned what will get blamed? Will we finally as a society start to address the issue at hand? When will it be realized that the weapons are not the issue? Since the dawn of man we have been killing each other and it will not stop until humans no longer live on this planet.
Get it over with, ban everything, then when the next mass shooting happens I want everyone to finally discuss the real issues.
Stop moving the goal posts. Society is allowed to deal with multiple problems at once. You can't be going to jail for a DUI and pose a credible argument that because there are murderers and thieves out there the cops shouldn't be arresting you.If we were serious about gun deaths we would stop the war on drugs stat. Not fixate on a weapon that accounts for under 2% of gun deaths.
dont forget revolvers. but in any event, I doubt any od those would be used because of 1) lack of speed and 2) lack of "cool factor"
ARs are cool because the military uses them. the same way a high powered car or race-replica appeals to car people. at least that's my 0.02.
How can the next mass shooting happen if guns are banned?
Also by your logic you should be in favor of hand grenades for every man woman and child because hand grenades are the issue since people have been killing each other since the dawn of man.
By your logic you should be in favor of hand grenades for every man woman and child because hand grenades are the issue since people have been killing each other since the dawn of man.
Many diseases are not curable but can be treated and managed with remedies. Ovarian cancer can't be cured but the treatments can keep a person alive for 10 years longer than no treatment. We can't cure chronic myelogenous leukemia but if you take gleevec you can basically live a near normal life as long as you take the meds. By your logic however, it's not even worth treating because the problem hasn't been cured. Yeah right.
Stop moving the goal posts. Society is allowed to deal with multiple problems at once. You can't be going to jail for a DUI and pose a credible argument that because there are murderers and thieves out there the cops shouldn't be arresting you.
The fact of the matter is many states by law find sparklers and fireworks to be more dangerous than guns. Its harder to buy a car in general than it is to buy a gun. This is entirely insane and not the result of natural logical decision making and normal market forces but the result of decades of pressure from special interests.
So when every item deemed to cause mass casualty is banned what will get blamed? Will we finally as a society start to address the issue at hand? When will it be realized that the weapons are not the issue? Since the dawn of man we have been killing each other and it will not stop until humans no longer live on this planet.
Get it over with, ban everything, then when the next mass shooting happens I want everyone to finally discuss the real issues.
Do you pose this question in relation to the Christchurch shooting? If so, high capacity magazines are not banned in New Zealand. When sold attached to a semi automatic rifle, such as an AR15 (Category A firearm), they require a higher, Category E, firearms licence. However, a loophole in the law means you can purchase the magazines separately without a Category E licence.How can a shooter use high capacity magazines if they are banned?
Shame on the US that New Zealand can figure out this issue but the world's most powerful country can't.
Exactly my point. If you ban them, they can't be used readily. You may only prevent 90% of mass murderers from getting them, but thats still a nice start. Again, I bring up my analogy for the treatment of incurable diseases with treatments that significantly lower their long term harms.How can a shooter use high capacity magazines if they are banned?
That is hardly moving the goalposts. The war on drugs and its subsequent turf wars are the source of the symptom of a large part of our gun violence. Treat the disease not the symptom as you like that metaphor.
Fun fact, you will find plenty of illegal fireworks in states that ban them. And no, it isnt easier to buy a gun than a car. At least legally. When was the last time you bought a gun?
Old? How?
So when every item deemed to cause mass casualty is banned what will get blamed? Will we finally as a society start to address the issue at hand? When will it be realized that the weapons are not the issue? Since the dawn of man we have been killing each other and it will not stop until humans no longer live on this planet.
Get it over with, ban everything, then when the next mass shooting happens I want everyone to finally discuss the real issues.
How many mass shootings in Australia since they banned semi-automatics?
1 accoding to that list.
List them along with the year they happened (or at the very least read what you link first, idiot).
List them along with the year they happened (or at the very least read what you link first, idiot).