Thoughts on Afghanistan

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Lizardman

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I was reading an opinion article on Afghanistan and I was wonding what others would think of it. It is obviously a serious situation in which our country has been invovled. The link to the article is posted below with a majority of the article quoted in this post.

Sober Thoughts on Afghanistan


....[edited for length]

Perhaps they are right, and I have underestimated the knowledge and attention span of the citizenry. I hate to admit it, but, well, truth is truth. With respect to the wars against Islam, I tend to think in military terms, and then write (I confess) in vague generalities. This may appear to be condescension to Sean Hannity’s viewers. If I have done them wrong, I apologize.

All right. Let me try to discuss the wars intelligently, not giving ideological solutions but just stating the problems from the standpoint of those who actually have to fight and manage the wars.

(1) The American command wants to run raids across the Afghan border into Pakistan and Tajikistan to attack Al Qaeda guerrillas who currently enjoy safe havens in those countries. This is needed, say officers, to save American lives. But in Islamabad, Benazir Bhutto’s Falafel Party—she was assassinated, but the party lives on, as intensely nationalistic as ever—says it wants the Pakistani Army to fire on American troops if they “invade” the country.

What now? While the Falafelists are not in power, they are strong in the military. Fighting very nearly broke out during a US helicopter raid against Herat in the Federated Tribal Territories. Do we pursue Al Qaeda at the possible cost of war with the beloved patriot Army? Tough choice.

(2) We are all familiar with the Predator and Raptor drones used to target Al Qaeda suspects in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Pentagon wants to replace the Hellfire missiles fired currently by the drones with the new Mk 48 ADCAP (“Advanced Capability”) missile which, while much more accurate, also has a larger blast radius—meaning that more civilians will be killed. Is it worth it, given the anger aroused among civilian populations by the extra deaths? This is the kind of question that commanders on the ground must decide.

(3) Then there is the difficult question of cultivation of opium poppies. When the Taliban took over following the withdrawal of the Russians from Afghanistan in 1989, they forced farmers into the production of the drug, thus making the rural population dependent on the (small) profits the extremists allowed them. The Americans of course want to eliminate the poppies, but this would do nothing to win the hearts and minds of the growers. (What are the farmers doing to do? Grow potatoes instead? College kids won’t pay $500 an ounce for sin-semilla spuds.)

So what does the military do about towns like Hecuba and Priam, in Sulawese Province on the southern border with Iran, which are transshipment points for drugs crossing Iran en route to European markets? Eliminate them, and lose the population? Or allow the traffic to continue in order to further the war effort? The present solution, if so it is, is to uneasily ignore the question.

Somebody has to make a decision. And it will be denounced in the press as wrong, either way.

(4) Apart from Black Hawk troop-carrying helicopters, the workhorse chopper of the war has been the AH-78 Commanche gunship, now equipped with the BQQ-6 submillimeter-wave radar for detecting the movement of metal armaments (e.g., rifles) at night. The radar is highly classified.

The State Department wants to transfer six of the craft to the Afghan “air force” (actually a few helicopters) to show faith in the Karzai government. The Pentagon says the technology would be in Taliban, and thus Chinese, hands within a week. Worth it? Somebody has to decide, and both answers are wrong.

The (accidental) damage to the Al Aqsa mosque in Kandahar by a drone strike aroused fury among the militant Sufi tribesmen of the region. These have a tradition of almost constant war, dating back to the rule of Peshmurga I, and of Sufi control over the silk trade through the Khyber Pass to Rawalpindi and on to Bukitinggi.

Again, it’s hearts-and-minds versus military objectives. If you restrict bombing near mosques, you give Al Qaeda safe havens. If you damage (or, as some have proposed, even deliberately bomb) mosques, you infuriate the locals and, so say some commentators, produce recruits to Al Qaeda and the Taliban. A? Or B?

....[edited for length]

Enough. My point is that “the devil is in the details.” It is fine to denounce Islamofascism. Yet, while I do not doubt that the foregoing matters are understood by the better minds on Fox News, for example Bill O’Reilly and Saraa Palin, their viewers may have trouble distinguishing truth from fiction. I have not meant to talk down to them, and neither should the folk at Fox.


After you read this article there is another one that is relavent to the topic and should be read for to understand the point of the article I quoted above.
--Article 2 Link--

With out getting into much detail right away let me know what you think. Please spend the 5 min or so reading both articles and please don't turn this into a debate about Fox News and Sara palin.
 

VtPC83

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Sorry, the author lost all credit to me. As far as I knew the RAH-66 Comanche attack helicopter project in the military had been canceled and the AH-64 Apache was the front-line combat helo in the US. If he can't do some simple research to prevent sounding plain wrong then he doesn't deserve attention.
 

Lemon law

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The other fact wrong was that circa 911, the Taliban was discouraging the production of opium.

But if we can't get a valid perspective out of badly written links, this thread is a waste of time.

Maybe its time to ask Afghans and not Americans why they are fed up with an in competently led Nato war on the cheap?
 

Brovane

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Sorry, the author lost all credit to me. As far as I knew the RAH-66 Comanche attack helicopter project in the military had been canceled and the AH-64 Apache was the front-line combat helo in the US. If he can't do some simple research to prevent sounding plain wrong then he doesn't deserve attention.

I was also scratching my head over this one. The author might be reffering to the Apache AH-64D longbow.
 

Lizardman

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If you read the 2nd article it will explain everything.

The point he was making is that many people just believe what ever they see or hear and take it as fact. Like popular news has interviews with "experts" in certain fields so the average viewer sees it and takes it as gospel.

It is good to see not everyone on these forums is so naive.
 

Lemon law

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Ok, Lizardman, I read your second Fred Reed link, and feel your post is even more ignorant than ever. All Fred points out is that other people are idiots, but when Fred clearly has no insights either, I have to wonder what he thinks he is doing.
 

OutHouse

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No country has benifited from prolong war. 10 years is long enough its time ti pull our troops.
 

Lemon law

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No country has benifited from prolong war. 10 years is long enough its time ti pull our troops.
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While I agree with OutHouse that no country is benefiting, but there is also a downside Pottery barn rule, Nato broke it and they better fix it, if not, they lose all credibility to in future intervene.

Sadly, in any military occupation, the rule is go big or stay at home. But our in house geniuses in GWB and Dumsfeld, convinced themselves they could go small and prevail in both Iraq and Afghanistan. As both GWB& his merry band of neocons immediately discovered, their greatest problem became the anarchy any military occupation tows in its own wake.

We can all hope Iraq will end up in the success column, but the jury is still out on Iraq, so IMHO, we still don't know. As for Afghanistan, Nato went in with a plan sure to fail, and even at this late date, a better plan might succeed. Petraeus is a tiny bit better, but still is far from on the right track, but that is just IMHO. But now that the Afghan six month fighting season is starting back up, I will guess, 2011 will be a real doozy.
 
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