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zebrax2

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1.) the picture transition on the front page is pretty distracting
2.) remove the border of the picture in services, about and portfolio or at least change it
3.) add a border to the scrolling text box in the about section (i almost didn't noticed you could scroll it)
4.) the portfolio page needs to be changed. a suggestion would be to put the classification on the left side then put a bunch of thumbnails on the right
 
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Originally posted by: akugami
If you have Dreamweaver then that should simplify things. There are lots of Dreamweaver templates (many free) on the web so I'm sure with a little bit of looking you should be able to find something that will suit your needs or close enough that you can modify and adapt it to your needs.

I'll have to look around and see what I can find then. Dreamweaver is something I have never worked with, but am definitely willing to learn (and would enjoy that I think).

Tell your GF that the web site should not be about fun. It's a business and should look professional. This can be tough. I know because sometimes I just give up when my wife wants something done and I try to convince her it's a stupid idea. You'll never win. Unfortunately in this case the consequences can be huge if you are trying to make a living as a photographer and your site is turning off potential customers.

I can't tell you how many times I've said that. I don't think it should be "fun", and should be professional. There is room where you can have a little bit of "fun", but it shouldn't be the priority (which it kind of feels like shes making it that way).

BTW, you can have a "fun" web site and still be professional. It still should follow the KISS rule and be easy to navigate. One of the things to avoid is over use of Flash. Not everyone has broadband and I always hated web sites that took a minute or more just to load an intro page.

Yeah, that's one issue I've had with this WIX place. It's slow to load, looks crappy while it loads, and once it's loaded it still takes some time to become fully loaded and you can use it. As for the broadband aspect, I agree. A lot of professional photography websites have flash pages (or it appears to be similar to flash).

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I would agree that being too "fun" can work against her and if not done right can devolve into inferred unprofessionalism both in character and aesthetic taste. She can certainly show her fun side through her About Me, Blog, and photo gallery though. If she posts photos of couples looking like they're genuinely having fun, then that will reflect positively on her. You can portray a truck as fun by showing photos of people using it at a tailgate party, car camping out of it, etc. But the truck by itself still retains professionalism. Or you could try for that fun vibe by painting the car in poka dots with swinging rubber testicles on the trailer hitch. Then it's just too much and can reflect badly on the car, the car owner, and the car maker. She's trying to paint the car.

Those are great ideas. Never thought of them. THANKS! Quick question on this subject though, the morning show here does a big festival in the summer (about 2 weeks away). This morning the thought I had driving to work was, "what about contacting them to see about doing free shooting for them, and I/we gain experience?" Any thoughts about that?

The fun being portrayed through the photography, and NOT the website itself I think might be a good idea.

I wouldn't call Dreamweaver a really easy to use WYSIWYG editor, but if you've got it you might as well use it. Just be open to learning and fiddling around with CSS, HTML, pre-made javascript, getting a web host, etc. Definitely check out pre-made templates though to give yourself a head start.

I've worked with HTML, CSS, some Java, etc but I've only done very, very, very simple stuff. Nothing that I'm even proud of, let alone professional lol. I will definitely look at it though and see about programming it.

As for building her portfolio, tell her to do a few weddings for free. Seriously. It's not a good idea to place herself into a paid situation where she has full liability for any mistakes she may make as a result of only having had one wedding under her belt. Offer them for free to start with. That way she'll get jobs easily, build her portfolio, build her name, and probably gather some great testimonials. And the website will be better off as well because it'll actually have content to display. Possible paying clients aren't going to be impressed at a website with almost zero content even if it is well designed...

Yeah, I agree here also. Where are places to be able to find weddings to shoot for free? I am also interested in it once I get the basics down, so I can hopefully get into it as well (under my own studio/site ).

I would invest in Lightroom because it will make her workflow a lot faster and easier. Leave Photoshop for the heavy duty stuff like cloning out large objects and the like. I personally don't know of any photographer who deals in even moderate volumes that uses Photoshop as their only image editing software. Most use something in the Lightroom/Aperture/Capture One category.

We use PS simply because we have it. I'll look into Lightroom and the like though. It seems LR is what most people use though, so it's definitely something to look into.

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Do you have the resources to hire a local web design guy? Maybe even someone from the local high school who would work for cheap?

I do, but she doesn't right now. Unfortunately, some of our friends who do it aren't willing to help (haven't offered to pay though, which we kind of wanted to avoid).

Originally posted by: zebrax2
1.) the picture transition on the front page is pretty distracting
2.) remove the border of the picture in services, about and portfolio or at least change it
3.) add a border to the scrolling text box in the about section (i almost didn't noticed you could scroll it)
4.) the portfolio page needs to be changed. a suggestion would be to put the classification on the left side then put a bunch of thumbnails on the right

Thanks.

1- would slowing down the transitions make it better? From the 3 secondish delay to 5-7 seconds?

2- Do you mean that whiteish border on the left/top, or the bubble type deal of the pictures?

3- Yeah I was wondering how to fix that, because it's hard to tell it's scrollable.

4- I've been trying to get her to do something like that (like the earlier links I posted to other photog websites).
 

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Tell your GF that the web site should not be about fun. It's a business and should look professional. This can be tough. I know because sometimes I just give up when my wife wants something done and I try to convince her it's a stupid idea. You'll never win. Unfortunately in this case the consequences can be huge if you are trying to make a living as a photographer and your site is turning off potential customers.

I can't tell you how many times I've said that. I don't think it should be "fun", and should be professional. There is room where you can have a little bit of "fun", but it shouldn't be the priority (which it kind of feels like shes making it that way).

Then maybe you need to show your gf this thread. It's going to sting a bit, but ultimately it will be for the better.
 
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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Tell your GF that the web site should not be about fun. It's a business and should look professional. This can be tough. I know because sometimes I just give up when my wife wants something done and I try to convince her it's a stupid idea. You'll never win. Unfortunately in this case the consequences can be huge if you are trying to make a living as a photographer and your site is turning off potential customers.

I can't tell you how many times I've said that. I don't think it should be "fun", and should be professional. There is room where you can have a little bit of "fun", but it shouldn't be the priority (which it kind of feels like shes making it that way).

Then maybe you need to show your gf this thread. It's going to sting a bit, but ultimately it will be for the better.

I've thought about it, but have committed to her that I'd work on doing a site myself starting next week to show her what I like and would want to see. We will go from there.

If she still doesn't want to listen to me about it though, then I might. All your suggestions/comments/thoughts are great though. Keep them coming. I'll post my site once I get work done on it, and would love for C&C on what I design. I have a good idea in my mind how I want it to look, so it's a matter of transforming that into an actual site, which I'm hoping shouldn't be too horrible.
 

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Can't say I like it either. In her shoes, I'd scrap the whole thing and try to redo another site from scratch. A few points:

- The first thing in a photography website should be the photos. Her logo looks like it's for a new line of teeny-bopper Mattel toys. I find it distracting.
- The color scheme is bad. Pink, green and black don't really mix well in my eyes. A photo site that doesn't manage colors well speaks volumes, correctly or not, about how the photographer will handle the photos. It suggests that this person does not have an artistic eye.
- She needs to build a consistent theme throughout the website. I'm seeing lots of text fonts, various clip arts, misaligned bullet points, a "scribbled" contact form. There's no consistency.
- Along with the consistency thing, it seems like she has no focus as to the type of photographer she wants to be. She takes Weddings, Engagements, Senior portraits, events... all random. Choose a field. Focus on it. I know she probably wants to keep options open (to keep income options open), but would I prefer a dedicated wedding photographer for a wedding or a photog that also takes seniors, still lifes, scenics, etc?
- Get rid of the embossed border look on the photos. They are very 90's.
- There are too many types of photo transitions. Stick with fades.
- I know you said not to focus on the photos itself, but the photo choices are not good... many of the photos have issues: wedding shots are underexposed, dancing shot has a weird green glow on the side, most shots look out-of-focus, jumping shot cuts off the hand, etc. The only good shot I saw was the guy with the brick background.

I don't mean to be rude or discouraging, but it looks like she needs to work on her photography before she worries about her website. Learn to work with artificial light, learn to properly expose photos (in camera or out). After than, work with photoshop to add any missing "punch" to the photos. Select only the absolute best photos - ones that she'd PAY to have blown up, printed on fancy paper, framed and hung on her wall (because that's what her clients will be doing). The photos should then speak for themselves. A minimalistic website that focuses almost entirely on the photos would then compliment her photos quite well.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
I would agree that being too "fun" can work against her and if not done right can devolve into inferred unprofessionalism both in character and aesthetic taste. She can certainly show her fun side through her About Me, Blog, and photo gallery though. If she posts photos of couples looking like they're genuinely having fun, then that will reflect positively on her. You can portray a truck as fun by showing photos of people using it at a tailgate party, car camping out of it, etc. But the truck by itself still retains professionalism. Or you could try for that fun vibe by painting the car in poka dots with swinging rubber testicles on the trailer hitch. Then it's just too much and can reflect badly on the car, the car owner, and the car maker. She's trying to paint the car.

Those are great ideas. Never thought of them. THANKS! Quick question on this subject though, the morning show here does a big festival in the summer (about 2 weeks away). This morning the thought I had driving to work was, "what about contacting them to see about doing free shooting for them, and I/we gain experience?" Any thoughts about that?

The fun being portrayed through the photography, and NOT the website itself I think might be a good idea.

As for building her portfolio, tell her to do a few weddings for free. Seriously. It's not a good idea to place herself into a paid situation where she has full liability for any mistakes she may make as a result of only having had one wedding under her belt. Offer them for free to start with. That way she'll get jobs easily, build her portfolio, build her name, and probably gather some great testimonials. And the website will be better off as well because it'll actually have content to display. Possible paying clients aren't going to be impressed at a website with almost zero content even if it is well designed...

Yeah, I agree here also. Where are places to be able to find weddings to shoot for free? I am also interested in it once I get the basics down, so I can hopefully get into it as well (under my own studio/site ).

It couldn't hurt to try contacting the morning show, but keep in mind that with it being only two weeks away and them being a business, they may have already hired a photographer or have one on staff. But you never know unless you inquire.

You could offer your free wedding services most anywhere I'd imagine. If you're by a major city, which I'm not sure 330 is, you could check out Craigslist, www.weddingbee.com (post on their cleveland boards), or maybe post ads up on the classified boards of the local post office, church, etc. Think of a way to get yourself into a place, online or physical, where about to be wed couples tend to congregate or pass through. Or ask around on other photography forums. I know that www.FredMiranda.com has a forum dedicated to wedding photogs.
 
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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
It couldn't hurt to try contacting the morning show, but keep in mind that with it being only two weeks away and them being a business, they may have already hired a photographer or have one on staff. But you never know unless you inquire.

I know they do have a professional photog for their show (that they use for all their stuff), but I was hoping to either A: get them to let me shoot it for myself and let me send them the pictures so they can use them (so we both get somethign out of it), or B: have them give me the info of the photog and see if they are willing to let me tag along or something.

It wasn't for the professional aspect, more of just the learning aspect.

You could offer your free wedding services most anywhere I'd imagine. If you're by a major city, which I'm not sure 330 is, you could check out Craigslist, www.weddingbee.com (post on their cleveland boards), or maybe post ads up on the classified boards of the local post office, church, etc. Think of a way to get yourself into a place, online or physical, where about to be wed couples tend to congregate or pass through. Or ask around on other photography forums. I know that www.FredMiranda.com has a forum dedicated to wedding photogs.

We're in North Canton specifically, but Akron is about 15 min north of us.

I have looked on CL, some newspaper stuff, etc but haven't looked too hard (no sense to until I get the core photography stuff down). Regarding the church option, do you just email/get in contact with the pastor basically? I figure the churches are the best option for it, but neither of us belong to one nor know anybody really that does.
 

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
It couldn't hurt to try contacting the morning show, but keep in mind that with it being only two weeks away and them being a business, they may have already hired a photographer or have one on staff. But you never know unless you inquire.

I know they do have a professional photog for their show (that they use for all their stuff), but I was hoping to either A: get them to let me shoot it for myself and let me send them the pictures so they can use them (so we both get somethign out of it), or B: have them give me the info of the photog and see if they are willing to let me tag along or something.

It wasn't for the professional aspect, more of just the learning aspect.

You could offer your free wedding services most anywhere I'd imagine. If you're by a major city, which I'm not sure 330 is, you could check out Craigslist, www.weddingbee.com (post on their cleveland boards), or maybe post ads up on the classified boards of the local post office, church, etc. Think of a way to get yourself into a place, online or physical, where about to be wed couples tend to congregate or pass through. Or ask around on other photography forums. I know that www.FredMiranda.com has a forum dedicated to wedding photogs.

We're in North Canton specifically, but Akron is about 15 min north of us.

I have looked on CL, some newspaper stuff, etc but haven't looked too hard (no sense to until I get the core photography stuff down). Regarding the church option, do you just email/get in contact with the pastor basically? I figure the churches are the best option for it, but neither of us belong to one nor know anybody really that does.

I would give the morning show a go then.

You could try contacting the pastor, but I was thinking specifically about community bulletin boards. You know... people go to the boards and pin up ads for cars for sale, lost dogs, free kittens, cheap farm grown strawberries, apartments for rent, etc. Maybe even just take a walk around town with your girlfriend and stuff "free wedding photography" brochures in people's mailboxes.
 

zebrax2

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: zebrax2
1.) the picture transition on the front page is pretty distracting
2.) remove the border of the picture in services, about and portfolio or at least change it
3.) add a border to the scrolling text box in the about section (i almost didn't noticed you could scroll it)
4.) the portfolio page needs to be changed. a suggestion would be to put the classification on the left side then put a bunch of thumbnails on the right

Thanks.

1- would slowing down the transitions make it better? From the 3 secondish delay to 5-7 seconds?

2- Do you mean that whiteish border on the left/top, or the bubble type deal of the pictures?

3- Yeah I was wondering how to fix that, because it's hard to tell it's scrollable.

4- I've been trying to get her to do something like that (like the earlier links I posted to other photog websites).

1.) yeah increasing the delay would help
2.) the whiteish border (especially on those thumbnails as they eat almost 10% of the picture)
 

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I'm not necessarily promoting these as the "best" options, but they are some examples of photographers' sites that are professional in appearance (some simple, and some not so simple) and don't detract from the photography itself:

Ann Hamilton
Del Sol
Heather Waranska (I actually don't like this one as a professional site, but it's an example of a way to be "fun" without scaring people away.)
Amy Deputy
 

xchangx

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Originally posted by: ghostman
Can't say I like it either. In her shoes, I'd scrap the whole thing and try to redo another site from scratch. A few points:

- The first thing in a photography website should be the photos. Her logo looks like it's for a new line of teeny-bopper Mattel toys. I find it distracting.
- The color scheme is bad. Pink, green and black don't really mix well in my eyes. A photo site that doesn't manage colors well speaks volumes, correctly or not, about how the photographer will handle the photos. It suggests that this person does not have an artistic eye.
- She needs to build a consistent theme throughout the website. I'm seeing lots of text fonts, various clip arts, misaligned bullet points, a "scribbled" contact form. There's no consistency.
- Along with the consistency thing, it seems like she has no focus as to the type of photographer she wants to be. She takes Weddings, Engagements, Senior portraits, events... all random. Choose a field. Focus on it. I know she probably wants to keep options open (to keep income options open), but would I prefer a dedicated wedding photographer for a wedding or a photog that also takes seniors, still lifes, scenics, etc?
- Get rid of the embossed border look on the photos. They are very 90's.
- There are too many types of photo transitions. Stick with fades.
- I know you said not to focus on the photos itself, but the photo choices are not good... many of the photos have issues: wedding shots are underexposed, dancing shot has a weird green glow on the side, most shots look out-of-focus, jumping shot cuts off the hand, etc. The only good shot I saw was the guy with the brick background.

I don't mean to be rude or discouraging, but it looks like she needs to work on her photography before she worries about her website. Learn to work with artificial light, learn to properly expose photos (in camera or out). After than, work with photoshop to add any missing "punch" to the photos. Select only the absolute best photos - ones that she'd PAY to have blown up, printed on fancy paper, framed and hung on her wall (because that's what her clients will be doing). The photos should then speak for themselves. A minimalistic website that focuses almost entirely on the photos would then compliment her photos quite well.


I would have to agree that those pictures need work before being displayed as a portfolio. Get her a copy of lightroom and let her play with it.
 

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Originally posted by: xchangx
Originally posted by: ghostman


I would have to agree that those pictures need work before being displayed as a portfolio. Get her a copy of lightroom and let her play with it.

Yeah. This is why it's important to go do more jobs for free to build up the portfolio and photography skills. One of the big ones would be learning how to use a speedlight - this is critical for lots of situations and nothing can ruin an occasion like an inability to figure out why your speedlight's just not working for you - blowing out dresses, not illuminating enough, getting the metering wrong, etc.
 

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Aye, the pictures aren't good enough, and the website isn't all that special either. I would say have her concentrate on things less 'serious' than wedding photography (senior pictures and the like) until she's got the skills. Then, hire someone to make a better website.
 
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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: xchangx
Originally posted by: ghostman


I would have to agree that those pictures need work before being displayed as a portfolio. Get her a copy of lightroom and let her play with it.

Yeah. This is why it's important to go do more jobs for free to build up the portfolio and photography skills. One of the big ones would be learning how to use a speedlight - this is critical for lots of situations and nothing can ruin an occasion like an inability to figure out why your speedlight's just not working for you - blowing out dresses, not illuminating enough, getting the metering wrong, etc.

Ugh don't get me started on flash.

One of the first things I said when she asked about her pictures was she needed to get a good flash and learn to use it. For Christmas I got her the 480 EX II and a "hot to use it", along with a "wedding photography" book. She was against flash use from the start, but slowly I have gotten her to warm up to the idea. Her and I both need to learn to use the flash (for those of you who looked in my other thread), when to use it, and then integrate it into normal shooting.

She is doing some shoots this week, but they aren't ones she can/will use on her website (pregnancy and boudoir) unfortunately. But, both of the shoots will require flash use, and the boudoir one I'll get to be there for and can her with.
 
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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Maybe it's just me but I HATE flash websites.

A lot of photography websites are flash/java based.

After the initial site is up, we might create a HTML version for you flash haters

Originally posted by: Auryg
Aye, the pictures aren't good enough, and the website isn't all that special either. I would say have her concentrate on things less 'serious' than wedding photography (senior pictures and the like) until she's got the skills. Then, hire someone to make a better website.

In talking with her last night about the site, she said that she wanted to do portraits more than weddings (which I thought was the other way around). Her and I need to get our friends to let us shoot pics of them for free
 

xchangx

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Maybe it's just me but I HATE flash websites.

A lot of photography websites are flash/java based.

After the initial site is up, we might create a HTML version for you flash haters

Originally posted by: Auryg
Aye, the pictures aren't good enough, and the website isn't all that special either. I would say have her concentrate on things less 'serious' than wedding photography (senior pictures and the like) until she's got the skills. Then, hire someone to make a better website.

In talking with her last night about the site, she said that she wanted to do portraits more than weddings (which I thought was the other way around). Her and I need to get our friends to let us shoot pics of them for free

If she doesn't want to use flash, then you'll need to get faster primes. Look into the 85 1.4 or 50 1.4 lenses. When I've done weddings, I do the ceremony ambient and found that a 2.8 lens @3200 still can't give me a good shutter speed.

 
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Originally posted by: xchangx
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Maybe it's just me but I HATE flash websites.

A lot of photography websites are flash/java based.

After the initial site is up, we might create a HTML version for you flash haters

Originally posted by: Auryg
Aye, the pictures aren't good enough, and the website isn't all that special either. I would say have her concentrate on things less 'serious' than wedding photography (senior pictures and the like) until she's got the skills. Then, hire someone to make a better website.

In talking with her last night about the site, she said that she wanted to do portraits more than weddings (which I thought was the other way around). Her and I need to get our friends to let us shoot pics of them for free

If she doesn't want to use flash, then you'll need to get faster primes. Look into the 85 1.4 or 50 1.4 lenses. When I've done weddings, I do the ceremony ambient and found that a 2.8 lens @3200 still can't give me a good shutter speed.

Yeah, I am looking to buy faster lenses for both of us. I'm not sure if I want to go the prime route yet though (having to move to get myself into position vs using a zoom has drawbacks). I have thought about the 85L, and either the 24L or 35L instead of the 24-70L and 70-200 F2.8 IS L. For now though, I think that I'm going to stick with the zooms and use flash (or learn to). I might pick up a used 50 1.4 though, because IIRC those are $300ish new so should be able to grab one for $200ish used.
 

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: xchangx
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Maybe it's just me but I HATE flash websites.

A lot of photography websites are flash/java based.

After the initial site is up, we might create a HTML version for you flash haters

Originally posted by: Auryg
Aye, the pictures aren't good enough, and the website isn't all that special either. I would say have her concentrate on things less 'serious' than wedding photography (senior pictures and the like) until she's got the skills. Then, hire someone to make a better website.

In talking with her last night about the site, she said that she wanted to do portraits more than weddings (which I thought was the other way around). Her and I need to get our friends to let us shoot pics of them for free

If she doesn't want to use flash, then you'll need to get faster primes. Look into the 85 1.4 or 50 1.4 lenses. When I've done weddings, I do the ceremony ambient and found that a 2.8 lens @3200 still can't give me a good shutter speed.

Yeah, I am looking to buy faster lenses for both of us. I'm not sure if I want to go the prime route yet though (having to move to get myself into position vs using a zoom has drawbacks). I have thought about the 85L, and either the 24L or 35L instead of the 24-70L and 70-200 F2.8 IS L. For now though, I think that I'm going to stick with the zooms and use flash (or learn to). I might pick up a used 50 1.4 though, because IIRC those are $300ish new so should be able to grab one for $200ish used.

This is hilarious
 

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Just wondering, but is she planning to do this as a a main career or as a side business? Has she taken classes and lessons or is she doing this on her own? I usually don't go to this forum and browsing it now as I'm at work, and I'm still fairly new to photogragphy so take my advise with a grain of salt.

As others have said about the pictures, if she wants to be serious and make this a business she needs to learn about lighting, using a flash and proper exposure; bad lighting can kill a shot. Expensive camera gear does not make a photographer, it's just a tool; you can have the best piano in the world, but it won't help if you can't play the piano.

Basically she needs to ask herself: "if I compare these shots to what's available by other photographers on the net, would I want to buy these? Can I improve on those shots?". If I was a prospective client I would not be able to take the portfolio seriously, a friend liking her pics does not make it into a professional portfolio. I'm not even going to comment on the website as I think the product is more important then the presentation.

All of those pictures could be improved on esthetically with just a few minutes of Photoshop / Lightroom, and that's not counting the shot being improved on when first taking it in the first place. Is she shooting in raw or jpeg? If she shoots in raw she will have much greater control of the picture when post processing which is also a good option when learning and experimenting.

I would work on the portfolio, and work for free to develop / learn how to take the shots.Knowing the limits of your equipment and working within them is a great way to learn when coupled with experimentation. I got started with my kit lens on my Sony A200 and went on a trip to Vegas, and learned a lot including what my kit lens could do and not do. I did take some good shots, but I know technically they could be better and how they could be better. I now have a 17-50mm f/2.8 tamron that I really like, and can instantly tell the difference between both lens because I learned the limitations of the kit lens. I also keep track of what settings I used for which pictures, and experiment. Shots I thought were good technically when I first took them, I can go back and think of ways to improve the shot. Expensive equipment should come after learning the technical limitations of your current equipment.

I have a feeling from your posts and comments that she is doing this as she loves photography but not taking it seriously on the technical side (refusing to learn how to use a flash?). She needs to treat this as a serious project for it to become a money maker rather then a potential money drain. What you are doing to support her is great, but you may want to provide a wake up call too. A wake up call now may hurt now, but will be much better then a failed business later on due to not taking it seriously. It's better for her to hear it from internet critics then from frustrated clients.
 

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I might pick up a used 50 1.4 though, because IIRC those are $300ish new so should be able to grab one for $200ish used.

You're mistaken. The 50mm 1.4 is around $380-$400 new. Used is above $300. If you can somehow pull off the 50mm 1.4 for around $200, I'd like to know how.
 

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I'd rather get the Sigma 50/1.4 than the Canon.

Actually...wait...I did.
 
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Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'd rather get the Sigma 50/1.4 than the Canon.

Actually...wait...I did.

How come? I'm going to do some research on them, but why did you prefer the Sigma to Canon?
 
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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I might pick up a used 50 1.4 though, because IIRC those are $300ish new so should be able to grab one for $200ish used.

You're mistaken. The 50mm 1.4 is around $380-$400 new. Used is above $300. If you can somehow pull off the 50mm 1.4 for around $200, I'd like to know how.

I didn't remember the actual price. I was pretty sure it had a 3 in the hundreds for new, just was off in the low 3's or high 3's
 

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Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'd rather get the Sigma 50/1.4 than the Canon.

Actually...wait...I did.

How come? I'm going to do some research on them, but why did you prefer the Sigma to Canon?
Sharpness wide open.
 
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