Thoughts on Ikea cabinets

todpod

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Going to redo our kitchen and Ikea has what we need at the right price point. I do know they are replacing their line of cabinets come February, so it will wait till then.
 

Greenman

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I used them on a kitchen remodel once, overall they weren't bad. The main issue they have is the feet for the base cabinets. Throw those things in the trash and build proper toe kicks.
You can also save yourself hours of work by getting a 3/4" air stapler for putting the backs on, again, take that bag of stupid little nails they send you and toss them in the recycling bin.

The biggest problem I had was an island made out of base cabinets and wall cabinets. They didn't make an end panel wide enough to cover it, so I had to rip down two wider end panels to fit. I needed a perfect cut in some of the most fragile material I've ever used. A track saw did the trick, and the finished kitchen was perfect.
 

NutBucket

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Do you think they're any worse than build it yourself cabinets from Home Depot/Lowe's?
 

d4a2n0k

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I did a full kitchen remodel and installed the cabinets myself. Also got my Zodiac quartz countertop thru them although they subbed it out to a local granite company. Any particular questions? Kitchen is coming up on 3 years now and everything has held up fine so far with 3 young kids. Soft close drawers and cabinet doors. Great hardware.

I would do it again. Spent $3500 on the cabinets (got 20% off with a sale) and $4500 on the counter-tops. My kitchen would have been 20 grand if I had it done by someone.
 

NAC

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I dunno, I find that you often get what you pay for. I have cheap Ikea furniture, and it is cheap - sagging, drawers fail, etc. Other Ikea stuff - some wood lawn furniture - is going strong after a decade exposed to the elements (and good maintenance by me.) Maybe their kitchen cabinets are good quality.

I didn't want a cheap kitchen, I didn't intend to re-do it again - ever. So we got KraftMaid cabinets. They weren't the cheapest, but everything turned out great. Also had great customer service from Lowes - they sent the incorrect doors for some cabinets - let us keep what they had sent and just sent more. One door had a knot in a conspicuous place, they sent a new one for that as well. Also, KraftMaid has a billion different sizes - 3 inch increments - and styles, so we could fit cabinets into our room exactly as we wanted.

When I had previously redone a kitchen in our condo we had also used KraftMaid and had the same great experience.
 

highland145

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I did a full kitchen remodel and installed the cabinets myself. Also got my Zodiac quartz countertop thru them although they subbed it out to a local granite company. Any particular questions? Kitchen is coming up on 3 years now and everything has held up fine so far with 3 young kids. Soft close drawers and cabinet doors. Great hardware.

I would do it again. Spent $3500 on the cabinets (got 20% off with a sale) and $4500 on the counter-tops. My kitchen would have been 20 grand if I had it done by someone.
Yep. I painted and did the trim. Paid for everything else. It was $$ well spent.
 

shabby

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Also got my cabinets from ikea, there really was no other option at that price point. Assembly was a pita but a worthwhile experience. Also if you needed to exchange anything ikea would take it back without questions even if you assembled it and tore it back down.
 

Zorba

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If there is new construction around you, go around and look at the cabinets in them, figure out who built the ones that were built well. I had cabinets quoted a few years back (was going to build my own house, then my job situation changed), you'd be amazed at how affordable high quality cabinets are directly from a local cabinet maker.

The cabinets I was getting were solid cherry fronts, furniture grade plywood everywhere else (no particle board), ball bearing rollers, soft close, etc and they were only about 30% more per cabinet than the POS box cabinets at Lowe's. They were about 1/3 of what kraftmade would've cost and nicer.

If you are looking for the IKEA look, though, it may be hard to get from a local cabinet shop.
 

Greenman

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If there is new construction around you, go around and look at the cabinets in them, figure out who built the ones that were built well. I had cabinets quoted a few years back (was going to build my own house, then my job situation changed), you'd be amazed at how affordable high quality cabinets are directly from a local cabinet maker.

The cabinets I was getting were solid cherry fronts, furniture grade plywood everywhere else (no particle board), ball bearing rollers, soft close, etc and they were only about 30% more per cabinet than the POS box cabinets at Lowe's. They were about 1/3 of what kraftmade would've cost and nicer.

If you are looking for the IKEA look, though, it may be hard to get from a local cabinet shop.

I've noticed that construction and remodeling costs in Oklahoma are about the same as Cambodia. Custom homes go for $110 a foot, I don't know how they do it.
 

Zorba

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I've noticed that construction and remodeling costs in Oklahoma are about the same as Cambodia. Custom homes go for $110 a foot, I don't know how they do it.

This is true. Actually in Tulsa, they are about $80-85/ft, not including land, about 100-105 with land in the average neighborhood. OKC is about $20-25 more per square foot.

Not to mention the houses in Oklahoma are built to a higher trim level than anywhere else I've ever been (except for the lack of basements).
 

Greenman

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This is true. Actually in Tulsa, they are about $80-85/ft, not including land, about 100-105 with land in the average neighborhood. OKC is about $20-25 more per square foot.

Not to mention the houses in Oklahoma are built to a higher trim level than anywhere else I've ever been (except for the lack of basements).

They have to be cutting cost somewhere. $100 a foot won't cover my material cost here in CA.
 

Zorba

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They have to be cutting cost somewhere. $100 a foot won't cover my material cost here in CA.

I bid out a full house here when I was going to be my own builder. I could build at builder level for $68 (construction costs), doing some labor myself. A few upgrades, like nicer carpet, extra fireplace, expensive granite, etc pushed it to about $77. No cut corners, hell Oklahoma even requires all electrical wire to be at least 12 AWG with 20 amp service. In Tulsa all the slabs are post tension, also, OKC is headed that way.

It helps that the Acme brick factory is literally 5 miles from my house, $0.30 per brick delivered.

Of course we don't have to build for earthquake here (yet), so that is some savings over CA, and we don't have CA's labor prices.

Some pictures of what you can get in Tulsa for construction cost of $80-85. http://southernhomesok.com/homes-sunset-hills/photo-gallery/

Edit: The prices I am talking about are on 2200-3400 square foot homes, too. It is easy to spread cost around in a 3000 square foot house, since a square foot in a bedroom costs very little compared to a kitchen.
 
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Greenman

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I bid out a full house here when I was going to be my own builder. I could build at builder level for $68 (construction costs), doing some labor myself. A few upgrades, like nicer carpet, extra fireplace, expensive granite, etc pushed it to about $77. No cut corners, hell Oklahoma even requires all electrical wire to be at least 12 AWG with 20 amp service. In Tulsa all the slabs are post tension, also, OKC is headed that way.

It helps that the Acme brick factory is literally 5 miles from my house, $0.30 per brick delivered.

Of course we don't have to build for earthquake here (yet), so that is some savings over CA, and we don't have CA's labor prices.

Some pictures of what you can get in Tulsa for construction cost of $80-85. http://southernhomesok.com/homes-sunset-hills/photo-gallery/

Edit: The prices I am talking about are on 2200-3400 square foot homes, too. It is easy to spread cost around in a 3000 square foot house, since a square foot in a bedroom costs very little compared to a kitchen.

I can't fathom how anyone makes any money at those prices. Wages have to be very low. I'd have to cut my labor costs by at least 50%, and my insurance costs by 70%, just to get within shouting distance of those prices.
 

Zivic

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If there is new construction around you, go around and look at the cabinets in them, figure out who built the ones that were built well. I had cabinets quoted a few years back (was going to build my own house, then my job situation changed), you'd be amazed at how affordable high quality cabinets are directly from a local cabinet maker.

The cabinets I was getting were solid cherry fronts, furniture grade plywood everywhere else (no particle board), ball bearing rollers, soft close, etc and they were only about 30% more per cabinet than the POS box cabinets at Lowe's. They were about 1/3 of what kraftmade would've cost and nicer.

If you are looking for the IKEA look, though, it may be hard to get from a local cabinet shop.

I redid my kitchen last year. I had a hard time deciding who to have do my cabinets. Ikea wasn't going to cut it and going to cabinet shops I was disappointed in the cost vs quality on the 'name brand semi-custom'. at any price I wasn't happy with the quality. I ended up with a local guy. he was 60% of what a true custom cabinet shop was. Ask around and you should be able to find someone for a reasonable price

I look at those kitchens you linked and some kill me. In what looks like a great house, things stick out like sore thumbs to me.

Fridge surround is too small for fridge and looks like the RHS door will hit the wall when you try to open it.



Sh!tty vent hood (style over functiom) over a cheapo drop in cooktop - for a real cook, these are crap


again with the drop in cook top and likely undersized insert vent:


under cabinet lighting installed too close to the wall. should be out towards the front of the cabinets - people spend some decent money on this and should be installed correctly.


I know I am being nit picky, but in what look like high'er end homes these kitchens cut corners.
 
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zardthebuilder

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I would do it again. Spent $3500 on the cabinets (got 20% off with a sale) and $4500 on the counter-tops. My kitchen would have been 20 grand if I had it done by someone.

How do you go from $8,000 for materials to $20,000 total? Did somebody really quote you $12,000 for labor?

I just got a few quotes for my kitchen.... $4,800 for cabinets + sink, $4,400 for granite, $450 for demolition labor, $300 for sink cutout, $1,500 for all other installation labor (no quote for backsplash or hookup labor). Labor portion = $2,250.

Another quote for semi-custom cabinets had labor at $450 for demolition, $150 for sink cutout, $800 for backsplash, $300 for sink and washer hookup, and $1,000 for all other installation ($2,700 total).
 

shabby

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Some pictures of what you can get in Tulsa for construction cost of $80-85. http://southernhomesok.com/homes-sunset-hills/photo-gallery/

Edit: The prices I am talking about are on 2200-3400 square foot homes, too. It is easy to spread cost around in a 3000 square foot house, since a square foot in a bedroom costs very little compared to a kitchen.

At $80-85 you might get drywall and plywood installed on joists here in canada, forget about everything else. Can't believe how cheap some houses are down south, almost mansions compared to what we have up here.

Fridge surround is too small for fridge and looks like the RHS door will hit the wall when you try to open it.
Owner cheaped out on the fridge, you need a counter depth fridge.


How do you go from $8,000 for materials to $20,000 total? Did somebody really quote you $12,000 for labor?

Flooring and appliances?
 

Zivic

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Owner cheaped out on the fridge, you need a counter depth fridge.

I would make the argument if these are custom built homes, why didn't they have a surround built to match the fridge they planned to buy?

counter depth fridges are a bit more money, but are fairly small. I was going to pay fairly decent money for a higher end fridge that happened to be counter depth, but it didn't have the capacity I needed. I opted for a cheaper 'full size' fridge because it suited my needs better
 

Greenman

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How do you go from $8,000 for materials to $20,000 total? Did somebody really quote you $12,000 for labor?

I just got a few quotes for my kitchen.... $4,800 for cabinets + sink, $4,400 for granite, $450 for demolition labor, $300 for sink cutout, $1,500 for all other installation labor (no quote for backsplash or hookup labor). Labor portion = $2,250.

Another quote for semi-custom cabinets had labor at $450 for demolition, $150 for sink cutout, $800 for backsplash, $300 for sink and washer hookup, and $1,000 for all other installation ($2,700 total).

What about electrical, plumbing, light fixtures, drywall repair, paint, finished floors, and permits?
 

Zorba

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I look at those kitchens you linked and some kill me. In what looks like a great house, things stick out like sore thumbs to me.

Fridge surround is too small for fridge and looks like the RHS door will hit the wall when you try to open it.

Sh!tty vent hood (style over functiom) over a cheapo drop in cooktop - for a real cook, these are crap again with the drop in cook top and likely undersized insert vent:

under cabinet lighting installed too close to the wall. should be out towards the front of the cabinets - people spend some decent money on this and should be installed correctly.

I know I am being nit picky, but in what look like high'er end homes these kitchens cut corners.

I would make the argument if these are custom built homes, why didn't they have a surround built to match the fridge they planned to buy?

Those pictures are not custom homes, typical builder grade in the $250-350K price range. The kitchen layout with the fridge does kind of suck, but usually it is wide enough you can open the fridge just fine.

The builder generally lets people pick out their own appliances from an appliance store within a given allowance, that allowance will generally allow for a basic SS kitchen with split oven/cooktop. If you want higher end you have to pay the difference. Vent hood depends on the floor plan, but a floor plan with a visible vent hood would be picked out by the customer.

Under cabinet light are installed by electricians, generally, so I am sure they get put all over the place. Although, under cabinet lights are pretty much standard in a >250K house in Tulsa.

OP: Sorry for derailing your thread so much. I still think it is worth finding a local cabinet maker. Another benefit is they will generally make a whole side as one piece of furniture, instead of being divided up into individual cabinets, giving you slightly more cabinet space, and it eliminates seams.
 
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