Gonna leave this here for consideration... it's easy to rail against parental leave if you don't have to deal with the health repercussions of childbirth.
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Gonna leave this here for consideration... it's easy to rail against parental leave if you don't have to deal with the health repercussions of childbirth.
and if men could get pregnant, abortion would not only be legal...there would be abortion clinics on every corner...maybe in every bar.
We have too many people.
We absolutely do. It's almost to the point of critical. The birth rate MUST be lowered dramatically.
Boo hoo.I'm talking as someone who's had to do somebody else's job because they thought staying home to burp somebody was more important than earning a living to pay their expenses.
Third paragraph is already happening for federal workers.in case it hasn't been covered US population growth and birth rates are not an issue and Immigration is doing a bit in helping sustain the US population.
birth rates are an issue in other countries. Not here.
As for morality of paid leave, I don't think there is an argument there.
The issue is how it is paid for and how it is mandated.
I haven't spent to much time caring about the subject so I haven't put much thought into it but I'd be in favor of tax breaks for companies who implement paid leave policies, I'd be fine with mandating it for federal workers and I'd be open to mandating it for any company with federal contracts.
If you don't have children and are upset
1. That children are a foundation of society and its future
2. You are nothing but a part of societies history
3. People who contribute to societies future are receiving a benefit that you do not
Whatever.
Enjoy you lonely death bed staring at friends long dead and family member who barely remember you. Share a story with the hired help who is currently changing your diaper.
You mean like the Duggars and so many other families (some that I knew) that popped them out like walking Pez dispensers? That kind of 'conservative'? The 'go forth and procreate' conservatives?
As far as care and two parties working .... work opposite shifts. Or one works from home. With so much remote work now, at least some could do a big part of their job from home instead of taking the time off and expecting everyone else to cover for them.
And, no, I don't give a toss about how they do it over there.
Good for society...or good for freeloaders? Why should an amployer have to pay an employee for NOT working?
Paid leave's demise tough on backers in Manchin's home state
Supporters of a proposal to provide paid family medical leave are dealing with another disappointment in Sen. Joe Manchin’s home state of West Virginia.apnews.com
I might go along with it for the first child. Maybe a shorter term for the second. Beyond that, none.
We have too many people. We don't need to pay (or compensate) people to have more. And yes, the same for the various tax credits. First child only. Reduced for the second. None for more than that.
Paid Family leave for adopted kids? No. Maybe for infants, definitely not for older.
Kids are a choice. You don't have the resources or skills? Don't have them.
Children need to be taken care of. We have 3 options.
1. Pay people enough so that one parent can stay home unpaid.
2. Provide paid leave.
3. Pay people more so they can afford the ridiculously high cost of child care.
Now look at those options. Why in the actual fuck should we chose number 3. Having the parents of the child care for the child is infinitely better than a stranger. We know that improved bonding early in life helps with future emotional stability.
America's fascination with working 50+ hours per week for piss poor wages is laughable. The ruling class (businesses) have brainwashed the rest of America into thinking that we only have value when we "work hard." I'm glad that younger generations are figuring this out.
Good for society...or good for freeloaders? Why should an amployer have to pay an employee for NOT working?
I'm talking as someone who's had to do somebody else's job because they thought staying home to burp somebody was more important than earning a living to pay their expenses.
We'd have ads for contraceptives like we've got ads for trucks were this the case. Buncha manly men around a campfire comparing how not pregnant they can get.
I missed this one.Selfish much?
Yeah, immigration worked out so well for the First Nations peoples that it almost wiped them out.
Now the current inhabitants complain about immigration, without which the US wouldn't exist.
Smart people punch up. Morons punch down. Stop punching down, moron.I'm talking as someone who's had to do somebody else's job because they thought staying home to burp somebody was more important than earning a living to pay their expenses.
He's just ranting at this point. I'm still not sure it's worth responding to his last respone to me yet. It was even more riddled with non sequitur gibberish than his reply to yours.Uh, first of all, I wasn't arguing for or against immigration. I was refuting your point about us having an "over population" problem. Which was quite obviously wrong. And was, BTW, the entire premise of your argument against paid family leave.
Second of all, this is a nation entirely of immigrants. You know, like there otherwise wouldn't be anyone here. Yes, European immigration sucked for native peoples hundreds of years ago. I fail to see how that is even relevant to the question of immigration in today's America.
Sounds like you have no brains for business. I say get out now while you can before you're all out of whines!I couldn't imagine paying an employee to stay home for twelve weeks, that's $24k that I have to pay.
Who pays for my leave? Who pays for my health care? Who pays for my vacations? Who pays half of my SS taxes?
Funding all of that would cut my customer base by 85%, and end my business overnight.
The government. Paid sick leave should be a cost of doing business, just like wages. A business that can't survive with sustainable 32-hour well-paid workweeks shouldn't be a successful business model. That's assuming all your competition is also providing those things, of course. It's shameful that Americans have allowed so much power to accumulate to the capitalist class rather than the working class. They got the working class fighting against their own unions and now they are crying because they're fucked.I couldn't imagine paying an employee to stay home for twelve weeks, that's $24k that I have to pay.
Who pays for my leave? Who pays for my health care? Who pays for my vacations? Who pays half of my SS taxes?
Funding all of that would cut my customer base by 85%, and end my business overnight.
You should actually read the bill before commenting on it. The reason it would cost money is because the government would contribute. Among other ways. Why don't you look to every other first world western developed country that has these types of policies in place and that work very well. Or are they all communist?I couldn't imagine paying an employee to stay home for twelve weeks, that's $24k that I have to pay.
Who pays for my leave? Who pays for my health care? Who pays for my vacations? Who pays half of my SS taxes?
Funding all of that would cut my customer base by 85%, and end my business overnight.
That’s a whole lot of stupidity right there. Tell me again how we don’t have a worker shortage. Tell me again how our consumerism economy will continue growing or maintain if we continue down the path of people having less and less children?
The problem with people like you is that you lack foresight and don’t see the big picture. I know you aren’t a righty so changing this bad habit should be an option for you.
Why would it end your business? This makes no sense as your competitors would have to provide the same benefit.I couldn't imagine paying an employee to stay home for twelve weeks, that's $24k that I have to pay.
Who pays for my leave? Who pays for my health care? Who pays for my vacations? Who pays half of my SS taxes?
Funding all of that would cut my customer base by 85%, and end my business overnight.