Thoughts on 'paid leave'?

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

No, just the cost of it. Having a man off work for 12 weeks would cost me $24K.

So wrong....but I will let your tiny moronic brain try and figure out why

It might cost a business owner twice that if they pay someone else to do the job.

You make no sense. Family leave can be just as earned PTO as regular vacation days. It's still earned by you working at the company.

Vacation, sick days and in some cases Holidays aren't earned or paid until you've been there some time. Vacation is often earned at one day per month and sick time at a half day per month (or similar). You don't get any of it if upon hire. How does the Family Leave work out there? Do the proposals state you only get it after X amount of employed time? Are there limitations on number of employees? Does this only apply to companies who have more than X employees?

 

[Zorba]

Here's the thing, no overpopulation issues are in first world developed nations with parental leave. Parental leave in first world industrialized nation contributes absolutely zero to this issue.

The issue is wealth inequality, a lack of environmentalism, a disposable goods mentality, not helping undeveloped countries, religion and anti sex education values and anti women's choice issues or access to reproductive healthcare making people in certain areas make too many people. We can fix these things instead of spending all those resources on going to Mars, a place that would be infinitely more expensive to make habitable rather than fixing the fucking gorgeous habitable planet we have now.

Look at pretty much all of Scandinavia and most of western Europe where parental leave goes along with developed and industrialized nations and you will see zero overpopulation. There is no issue there.

What you do see is overconsumption of goods driving the trash and resource binging issues because of the over proliferation of disposable consumer capitalism as the only way to go, driven by us here in the united states. I mean I like some of the products this gives us but it's becoming too much I think. Life was ok before a lot of this shit when you think about it.

I literally never said it had anything to do with parental leave, I am very supportive of parental leave, see post #2 in this thread. I was disagreeing with the belief that we can grow the human population to infinity because that is what capitalism requires.

Wolfee said there was no overpopulation, which is obviously false with how we currently live on the planet. Yes, if we either massively change our life styles or have massive improvements in technologies maybe we could sustain 8 billion people, but neither of those are happening soon.

 

[Zorba]

Every analysis I've seen says world population growth is already on the decline, and is projected to stop by the end of the this century, topping out at about 10 to 11 billion. Example:

World population growth is expected to nearly stop by 2100

For the first time in modern history, the world’s population is expected to virtually stop growing by the end of this century.

www.pewresearch.org

We need to focus on avoiding overconsumption of key resources, and ending fossil fuel use, not population control measures.

Well that is all true, but doesn't mean we don't also currently have a population problem (world wide)

Best way to slow population growth, though, is provide education and opportunities to women in the third world. Decrease child mortality in the third world. And provide sex education and contraception.

Making parenting harder is a pretty shitty way to control population, especially when it'll only discourage professionals from having kids.

 

[cytg111]

We don't have an over-population problem.

100% this.

 

[Zorba]

Vacation, sick days and in some cases Holidays aren't earned or paid until you've been there some time. Vacation is often earned at one day per month and sick time at a half day per month (or similar). You don't get any of it if upon hire. How does the Family Leave work out there? Do the proposals state you only get it after X amount of employed time? Are there limitations on number of employees? Does this only apply to companies who have more than X employees?

Where you worked. I've worked several places that give you a years worth of vacation day one. FMLA requires a year of service, too.

 

[MrSquished]

I literally never said it had anything to do with parental leave, I am very supportive of parental leave, see post #2 in this thread. I was disagreeing with the belief that we can grow the human population to infinity because that is what capitalism requires.

Wolfee said there was no overpopulation, which is obviously false with how we currently live on the planet. Yes, if we either massively change our life styles or have massive improvements in technologies maybe we could sustain 8 billion people, but neither of those are happening soon.

I thought you were lost in the http. Late night, saw the red avatar and wasn't paying close enough attention. My bad. I know you have stated support for parental leave.

 

[Muse]

Seems to be a given in civilized enlightened countries. Not shitholes like the USA.

 

[Muse]

I worked construction nearly all my life. If you aren't on the job...you don't get paid. No paid vacation, no paid sick days, no paid holidays, no paid family leave...and if you're gone more than a day or two...the company might just call the union hall and get a replacement for you.
I never had a problem with that.

But once you retired you were "you can't make me go back to work... ever!" You didn't exactly miss it.

 

[rmacd02]

I worked construction for 12 years. With all the things he lists, I had a major problem. I worked non union for many of those years. When I worked while in a union, I never had to deal with that BS. Non union construction, along with other non union jobs need to go the way of the dodo.

Correction, non union jobs need to be unionized, not go away.

 

[Muse]

I worked construction for 12 years. With all the things he lists, I had a major problem. I worked non union for many of those years. When I worked while in a union, I never had to deal with that BS. Non union construction, along with other non union jobs need to go the way of the dodo.

Correction, non union jobs need to be unionized, not go away.

I never had luck getting in a union, it just didn't seem to be in the cards for me. I tried, I worked some places that were unionized but just didn't fit. Not because I didn't want to, I craved the money and security, but always got fucked out of the job before I became one of the anointed. Some of the guys in unions are super assholes was my experience.

 

[rmacd02]

I never had luck getting in a union, it just didn't seem to be in the cards for me. I tried, I worked some places that were unionized but just didn't fit. Not because I didn't want to, I craved the money and security, but always got fucked out of the job before I became one of the anointed. Some of the guys in unions are super assholes was my experience.

Interesting, I was asked to work by a contractor. Was told I would have to join the union to work for him, as he was a union contractor.

Two years later, he decided not to be a union contractor, I decided not to stay with that company, because I wanted to stay in the union.

I later developed tendinitis in my shoulder, and had to give up manual labor altogether. Never was a problem getting into the union though.

 

[BoomerD]

I worked construction for 12 years. With all the things he lists, I had a major problem. I worked non union for many of those years. When I worked while in a union, I never had to deal with that BS. Non union construction, along with other non union jobs need to go the way of the dodo.

Correction, non union jobs need to be unionized, not go away.

I was union nearly all my life. We had holidays that you'd get paid double time for if you worked...and we had vacation pay added to our paychecks every week, but no actual paid days off.

I also worked a couple of years non-union when we were in the Rockies. (had kids to feed) No double time...even for working on holidays, not even time and a half...unless it was over 40 hours for the week.

 

[rmacd02]

I was union nearly all my life. We had holidays that you'd get paid double time for if you worked...and we had holiday pay added to our paychecks every week, but no actual paid days off.

I also worked a couple of years non-union when we were in the Rockies. (had kids to feed) No double time...even for working on holidays, not even time and a half...unless it was over 40 hours for the week.

So, you got paid for holidays, just in a different format.

We had the same for vacation time.

If we missed a few days, we were not replaced by the union hall.

This just adds to what a humane society does for it's citizens. JFC, why is it that every time we try to help our citizens, we get labeled as socialists or communists.

 

[cytg111]

Just here to point out that the EU is mandating 9 weeks at least. To the man.

You guys live backwards.

 

[BoomerD]

So, you got paid for holidays, just in a different format.

We had the same for vacation time.

If we missed a few days, we were not replaced by the union hall.

This just adds to what a humane society does for it's citizens. JFC, why is it that every time we try to help our citizens, we get labeled as socialists or communists.

oops...edited my post. VACATION pay, not holiday pay.
It wasn't that the union hall replaced us...UNLESS the contractor called for a replacement. It was their option.

I was a crane and heavy equipment operator (Operating Engineers) That equipment won't run itself. (not yet anyway) If the crane operator doesn't show up for work...and the contractor doesn't have another certified operator on the site doing something else, they call the hall and HOPE there's a qualified one available.

 

[rmacd02]

Just here to point out that the EU is mandating 9 weeks at least. To the man.

You guys live backwards.

We do, we do.

 

[rmacd02]

oops...edited my post. VACATION pay, not holiday pay.
It wasn't that the union hall replaced us...UNLESS the contractor called for a replacement. It was their option.

We had BOTH, holiday pay, and vacation pay.

 

[BoomerD]

We had BOTH, holiday pay, and vacation pay.

What trade/union?

 

[rmacd02]

Painters and tapers union. Late 90s

 

[rmacd02]

Doesn't matter, though, I want current and future workers to have much better opportunities than I had.

 

[BoomerD]

Doesn't matter, though, I want current and future workers to have much better opportunities than I had.

Drives up prices though...sends the work to the non-union contractors who hire illegal immigrants that will work cheaper with zero benefits.

 

[rmacd02]

Drives up prices though...sends the work to the non-union contractors who hire illegal immigrants that will work cheaper with zero benefits.

Well, if we can have right to work, we can have right to be union state. Ie.. no non union workers need apply.

While I believe this is a good idea, it may not be legal. Some times I wish I had the chutzpah of DT.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Did you miss the part about some of them not running above board operations?
You'd be surprised at how many people hire unlicensed contractors to save a few bucks.

So just so I am hearing you right... you're problem is you can't freely operate just as horribly as the lowest common denominator to make money?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Americans don't get enough, that should change.

 

[m8d]

The GOP loves the fetus but hates the child.AmeriKKKa is a third-world country with nuclear weapons.