"Thousands" of min-wage McDonalds workers to walk off jobs to demand better pay

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Leros

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Average $3.20/hr increase, for 40 hrs, would make the average store net $0. So I'm guessing it's not going to happen.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Average_McDonalds_Franchise_net_profit
http://www.ask.com/question/how-many-employees-does-mcdonalds-have

Let's say there are on average 10 workers in the building at once. You're telling me that McDonald's only profits $32 an hour? That's not very much...

On the other hand, that's $60k a year and I've heard that a McDonald's franchisee owner needs many locations to make a decent income.

Hmm...
 

Dr. Zaus

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Let's say there are on average 10 workers in the building at once. You're telling me that McDonald's only profits $32 an hour? That's not very much...

On the other hand, that's $60k a year and I've heard that a McDonald's franchisee owner needs many locations to make a decent income.

Hmm...
If pay at fast-food joints was doubled and the prices raised accordingly the down side would be fewer people eating fast food.

This is not a down side.
 

BoberFett

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Why would they want to? I understand competition is the driving force of capitalism, but treating it as a zero-sum game where only one company can win is fucking moronic. The owner of In N Out is a billionaire with one of the only fast food companies in the world that is adored by customers and food critics (who are pretty famous for hating fast food in general). What does she gain by expanding and getting into a price war with McDonalds? She's already successful, her company is successful, but because there's a bigger company in the same industry, she should feel compelled to destroy her business model for the sake of greater profits? That's beyond stupid.

If the world is clamoring for rockstar burger flippers that get paid massive sums to serve the best burgers in the world, how does expanding destroy the business model?

Or is possible that In n Out targets a completely different market segment, and the In n Out model (which involves paying their employees more) wouldn't work in the segment in which McDonald's operates, meaning McDonald's pays their employees exactly what they should?

Christ, it's like I'm talking to children. You believe In n Out expanding rapidly would destroy their business model, but at the same time seem to believe that McDonald's can massively disrupt their labor rates without destroying their business model?
 

poofyhairguy

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Vote with your wallet! I don't buy McDonald's cheeseburgers, I go to a local place that pays $10 an hour. Don't expect someone else to fix the world!
 

Patranus

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Nope, companies are in the business of making money. In N Out is making quite a lot of money, AND managing to keep their workers happy. McDonalds is making more money, but their workers aren't as happy. Which company is more successful?

First of all you don't understand either business model.
McDonalds is a franchise while In N Out is not.
McDonalds is a public company while In N Out is not.

In the end, McDonalds had net income of $5.4 billion (on $30 billion revenue) while In N Out has estimated revenue of $500 million or less than 10% McDonalds net income.

So which company is more successful? McDonalds and it is no even close.
 

Dr. Zaus

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First of all you don't understand either business model.
McDonalds is a franchise while In N Out is not.
McDonalds is a public company while In N Out is not.

In the end, McDonalds had net income of $5.4 billion (on $30 billion revenue) while In N Out has estimated revenue of $500 million or less than 10% McDonalds net income.

So which company is more successful? McDonalds and it is no even close.

IN and OUT burger; because everyone involved is doing something better for humanity.

It's not even close.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Making burgers is improving humanity? This I've GOT to hear!
I didn't say that it was a net gain; I said that it's better relative to McDonalds.

His signature used to list his weight, and how he was trying to beat a heart attack.

Seems he gave in to that struggle.
Do you even lift bro?
 

BoberFett

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I didn't say that it was a net gain; I said that it's better relative to McDonalds.

So is it preferable to provide a tiny fraction of the jobs at a slightly higher pay rate? That's pretty selfish of you. You want to see more people out of work, as long as a handful make a tiny bit more.
 

Dr. Zaus

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So is it preferable to provide a tiny fraction of the jobs at a slightly higher pay rate? That's pretty selfish of you. You want to see more people out of work, as long as a handful make a tiny bit more.

If you assume that people buying hamburgers can afford them, for the most part, what you get is a lot more people paid better and some folks with a little less spending cash.

Which will lead to less employment

FUCK

I hate economics!
 

CPA

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To the stock price, instead of complaining buy their stock if you think its so profitable.

Actually, since most McDonald's are franchised owned, the profits go to the franchise holder. McDonald's, the Corporation, gets a franchise fee and share of the revenues (NOT profits) of each franchise.
 

CPA

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If you assume that people buying hamburgers can afford them, for the most part, what you get is a lot more people paid better and some folks with a little less spending cash.

Which will lead to less employment

FUCK

I hate economics!

What? That only assumes they can afford them at a certain price point. there is no correlation that someone that can afford them now can afford them at a higher price or are willing to have "a little less spending cash."

And neither leads to less employment.
 

Dr. Zaus

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What? That only assumes they can afford them at a certain price point. there is no correlation that someone that can afford them now can afford them at a higher price or are willing to have "a little less spending cash."

And neither leads to less employment.

Here's the overall problem: assumptions.

no doubt there's a marginal good-not-sold whenever prices increase; the question is the elasticity of demand.

If we assume that there's a static amount of spending cash, then it would make sense to reduce employment in the frivolous entreatment sector (fast food, movies, etc) in order to increase the quality of the lives of those working in said sectors.

If we assume that the same amount of fun will be had no matter, then we don't hurt employment, and we improve everyone's life that's working: at the expense of investment capital (as even money put in the bank becomes investment capital for folks borrowing from the bank)

In truth, a 16 year old working at McD's doesn't need a 'living wage'. Instead we should extend the earned income tax credit and force it to be distributed into pay checks. We should adjust this so that someone working full time has enough earned-income to adjust their EIC up to the point that they are out of poverty.

A 16 year old girl wealthy parents will now not make nearly as much as a 32 year old widow with 3 kids. But the supply/demand driving the existence of the job will not be impacted; though the supply of people who should have jobs looking for them will go up.

I hate economics.
 
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QueBert

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I don't understand how anybody can think working in fast food can be a career choice. It is a good way to get some income while in school, quickly develop customer skills, learn humility. It sure beats slaving over blueberry picking for cents per pound or moving lawns.

A girl who lived down the block from me started working at Burger King when she was in high school, she ended up becoming the manager and now makes a good salary. You have to start somewhere at any job.
 
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EagleKeeper

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How did you do a one-way move for only $20 for the rental? Did the van also have 'Free Candy' on the side or something?

My g/f needed a 20+ foot truck and for the 600 mile move it was over $500. I had to fill the thing 3-4 times.

UHaul will rent a 12-16 ft truck for $20/day + mileage
 

waggy

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Do you even lift bro?

dude. not only does alky lift he knows how to party! Fuck! box on his head? haven't seen that wild of party since college!

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shrug. he started the posting of his picture. i just continued it..
 
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EagleKeeper

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i think public school teachers around here (dc metro area) start out at like $39k or so. dc fire fighters start at around $42k/yr, which have a very long and intense training.

wonder why these people who think they deserve more don't go become a police officer or firefighter. oh yea, i know ... because they are lazy and have the entitlement mentality that they deserve more than they are really worth, "just because".

in '08, Oakland had billboards up along the interstates looking for trainees for PD; $80+K/year. that is at least now equivalent to $90-95Khr now

That translated to $40-50/h; well above the $15 that these organizers are asking for.
 

Greenman

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dude. not only does alky lift he knows how to party! Fuck! box on his head? haven't seen that wild of party since college!

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So he really is becoming a monster.

I wonder if that's the awesome or epic part?

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Scarpozzi

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If you work for a damn clown, you're gonna be paid in peanuts. Deal with it or get a degree.
 

mkrohn

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Vote with your wallet! I don't buy McDonald's cheeseburgers, I go to a local place that pays $10 an hour. Don't expect someone else to fix the world!
I live in a town where McD's has burger king across the road and taco bell just the other side of a rite-aid and a little caesers next to burger king.

Everyday at lunch time the McD's will literally have the parking lot full and the drive through line wrapped down the road. At this same time taco bell will have 5 cars in the parking lot and burger king will have 3.

For whatever reason many people absolutely love McD's. I personally hate fast food and generally will just go the 2 blocks from those and fire up my grill and make my own burger in about the same time it would take to get a McD's burger with a line like that.

Stupid people dominate this country so luckily McD's has a massive work force that is completely unskilled and incapable of thinking for themselves so let these thousands walk off because they are all very easily replaced.

People either need to be very skilled or very creative. There are still plenty of self employment opportunities. It took me about a week to start getting enough work from simple PC repair to equal working full time at McD's. Its not ideal but its stuff I can do. Next up is a different kind of networking where I put a wifi Antenna at the top of my tower and broadcast an ad for me through the whole town as a locked wifi network. costs about $500 to have the equipment to broadcast through the whole town and its a one time expense
 

mkrohn

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Vote with your wallet! I don't buy McDonald's cheeseburgers, I go to a local place that pays $10 an hour. Don't expect someone else to fix the world!
that extra $2 makes the world of a difference? congrats you get to feel better about yourself.

Always go local when possible. Eating out though is the real problem. Brown bag it people! I eat a ton of turkey samiches and salads from home. You save time, money and oh yeah you dont contribute to the problem that is this thread. I'm not a lil guy by any means but seriously eating out is so bad primarily for the health reasons, not the business practices.

Why pay people to do things you can easily do yourself? in less time than you spend waiting for your order you could have made your samich or whatever for a brown bag meal. Oh thats right, all of you eating at those places are just as lazy and entitled as those you're complaining about.

I've been known to have a cooler with steaks or chicken and a weber Q100 in my trunk. Think a little differently and boy can you get great results.
 
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