"Thousands" of min-wage McDonalds workers to walk off jobs to demand better pay

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DrunkenSano

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You've obviously never worked fast food if you think it's a minimum wage job. It's fast paced and constant hard work. It's definitely worth more than $7 a hour.

lolwut?

Which high class McD have you been going to? They're full of slow, useless wastes of spaces. And no, they definitely do not deserve to get paid more.

Also, there are a lot of jobs available, a lot. Just people don't want those jobs and they want the easiest jobs out there.
 

Kaido

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You'll learn one day that you don't have to work 70 hours a week and you'll feel like a fool for being taken advantage of by your company. That was me 7 or 8 years ago and I put my foot down.

I'm hourly and basically get paid to play with computers all day, so it's actually the reverse of that
 

sourceninja

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That is exactly the issue. You jack the minimum wage up and everything else is going ot go up as well. Your apartment that they rent to minimum wage people cheaply...well shit they know you make double now so why wouldnt they charge you more. Since now they also have to pay their front office people and maintenance people 15 bucks an hour (most likely a raise for them as well).

Its my biggest issue with doubling the minimum wage. These people think it will just be an increase in money for them. They dont seem to realize that EVERY company out there will know you now make 30k a year. So everything will just go up in price. Which in turn will effect the upper class and actually bring them even further towards the lower class. In turn just further eliminating the middle class. Do i get a 7.75 dollar raise as well to make up for this? Nope. Hell i havent gotten any sort of raise for 4 years (or is it 5?).

Now had they asked for 1 or 2 dollar raise..or even up to 10 bucks. I doubt you would see nearly as much resistance from people. I know i would could support that kind of a raise in minimum wage. But 15 an hour...get fucked.


These people really need to wait and see what happens in Seatac as well. They keep claiming a win there but it is going ot court and hasnt taken effect yet either. SOme companies have already said if it happens they will be laying people off too.

The prices only rise because people can afford to pay them. If we cut government welfare programs prices would drop because the majority of people wouldn't be able to afford them. Would you rather have a empty apartment at 1500 a month or a filled one at 1k a month? If we cut government assistance then wages would naturally rise (or prices would fall) to meet the living wage companies pay.
 

Kaido

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Yeah. 5 Guys and Chick-Fil-A are consistently excellent with customer interaction.

Now that you mention it, I have been to Chick-Fil-A a few times when I've been out west and have had great service there. Actually I went to one last summer and liked their waffle fries so much that I went back and asked for a bag of fries. They hooked me up with a meal bag full of them
 

TXHokie

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If I was the manager, I would tell them:
Ok, here's the deal - I will double your wage to $15, but I will have to cut half of you. Then the half that's left will need to do twice the work.
Or I keep the work amount the same, double the cost of the burgers and get half of the customers, and still have to cut half of you.
Y'all should've paid more attention in math and science class, then you wouldn't have to depend on this job.
 

Kaido

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Eh, no, that isn't how it works at all. The purpose of business is to make profits (you got that part right), but it is to make the shareholders rich, not the upper management. And if you're going to decry shareholders, think again -- if you have a retirement plan, you're probably a shareholder in many of these companies and your retirement depends on these guys.

Upper management is "made rich" by the compensation contracts awarded to them by their boards, who are allegedly working in the interests of the shareholders so that someone is hired who will not only maintain profitability, but grow the business and increase profitability. Yeah, I personally think many of them are paid too much but that isn't my decision. My big concern is that the boards have become a "good ole boys" club and award these insane compensation contracts as more of a "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" favor than for actual reasons of merit. I wish shareholders had more of a direct say because many shareholders are getting very angry with these compensation contracts. After all, they're taking away from my retirement.

Sure, by upper management I meant anyone off the ground floor level - managers, shareholders, CEO's, etc. I don't have a problem with people getting rich, but if you're treating your ground-floor workers like crap, then I do have a problem with that. I've worked for a lot of smaller, privately-owned companies that do this - the owner makes tens of millions, the ground-floor guys make $10 to $15 an hour. I just think it stinks that if you're not in the good-old-boy network, are disabled in some way, don't have the IQ or skillset to compete, etc. that you're often stuck living in poverty for life. But our system uses the term "it's business!" as an excuse to not take care of people. Plus, it is hard to differentiate someone who is lazy & unmotivated from someone who is truly stuck where they are & can't really go any higher professionally because there's not really a good system for going through them on a case-by-case basis.

Plus there's the simple principle of "happy workers work harder"...throw a few more bucks people's way and you'll get even richer because they'll do better work. I've worked in a lot of menial jobs and the places that make the people feel like they're getting taken care of, i.e. BBQ's every month, quarterly bonuses, holiday parties, etc. get better results because people feel like they're part of a team instead of just another cog in the machine. Oh well. Best you can do is find something that works for you personally, or if you're a go-getter, start a business where you can take care of the people under your employ. But that's the exception, not the rule!
 

Kaido

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If I was the manager, I would tell them:
Ok, here's the deal - I will double your wage to $15, but I will have to cut half of you. Then the half that's left will need to do twice the work.
Or I keep the work amount the same, double the cost of the burgers and get half of the customers, and still have to cut half of you.
Y'all should've paid more attention in math and science class, then you wouldn't have to depend on this job.

So what about people who aren't gifted intellectually? Should we let them be stuck in poverty for the rest of their lives just because we're smarter than them?
 

child of wonder

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My wife just finished school to get her 2 year nursing degree. Starting out as an LPN, she makes almost $17/hr. There's no way in hell an unskilled laborer, like a McDonald's fry cook, should be paid $15/hr.
 

DrunkenSano

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So what about people who aren't gifted intellectually? Should we let them be stuck in poverty for the rest of their lives just because we're smarter than them?

Yes. If you try to bring everyone to the same level, then you will have a very weak country. Not everyone deserves what they think they deserve. You know what people who couldn't make ends meet did years ago? They work two jobs, sometimes more, not strike about their wages.
 

Ichinisan

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I just think it stinks that if you're not in the good-old-boy network, are disabled in some way, don't have the IQ or skillset to compete, etc. that you're often stuck living in poverty for life.

Translation...

I just think it stinks that people who are not worth as much are paid less than people who are worth more.
 

BikeJunkie

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I say do it. Raise it to $15. Then these idiots will lose out to a higher quality worker and I might actually be inclined to go into a McD's.
 

Ns1

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So what about people who aren't gifted intellectually? Should we let them be stuck in poverty for the rest of their lives just because we're smarter than them?

There are 168 hours in a week. I'm sure you get where I am going with this.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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I'm hourly and basically get paid to play with computers all day, so it's actually the reverse of that

OH, that's a BIG difference! I'm a contract consultant and get paid hourly too and am going to try to rack up the OT pay early next year too.
 

IndyColtsFan

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So what about people who aren't gifted intellectually? Should we let them be stuck in poverty for the rest of their lives just because we're smarter than them?

What else can you do? It may be sad, but life isn't fair. If you try to give everyone a middle-class income by default, guess what happens?

1. Prices on everything will go higher.
2. Why would anyone strive to work harder and achieve higher positions if you could accept the easiest position available and make a living doing it?

As a few people have noted, a two-year degree goes a long, long way in securing middle-class employment opportunities and won't result in crushing debt. Most people are of average intelligence and should be able to handle something like that.
 
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lxskllr

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What else can you do? It may be sad, but life isn't fair. If you try to give everyone a middle-class income by default, guess what happens?

A middle class income != reasonable minimum wage. Minimum wage isn't what it used to be. It needs to around $10 per hour to equal what it was when it was created. Also, the government shouldn't be giving corporations subsidies. When a Walmart worker goes on food stamps, we all pay for it. The higher prices are hidden in taxes. I'd rather pay a higher sticker price on the shelf, than have it taken on the sly.
 

Kaido

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OH, that's a BIG difference! I'm a contract consultant and get paid hourly too and am going to try to rack up the OT pay early next year too.

Yes sir, OT is my best friend! :biggrin: Unfortunately it's not voluntary haha, just lots of odd-hour projects on nights & weekends. But I also really, really enjoy my job, so getting paid + doing what I enjoy = win! :thumbsup:
 

Kaido

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Yes. If you try to bring everyone to the same level, then you will have a very weak country. Not everyone deserves what they think they deserve. You know what people who couldn't make ends meet did years ago? They work two jobs, sometimes more, not strike about their wages.

And that's part of the difficulty. Like, I have zero problem with doctors making 6 or 7 figures a year. They do an important & difficult job that I sure don't want to do, and the big paycheck is a huge incentive to slog through school for 8 years or however long it takes.

If we brought everyone to the same level now, we'd probably just end up with some crappy version of communism, haha. There's just not a good system in place right now that can tell the moochers from the people who are actually stuck.
 

Kaido

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My wife just finished school to get her 2 year nursing degree. Starting out as an LPN, she makes almost $17/hr. There's no way an unskilled laborer, like a McDonald's fry cook, should be paid $15/hr.

Or on the flip side, maybe nurses should be paid more. I have a lot of nurse friends here in Hartford, all are at $70k+ (typically $35+ an hour, plus overtime) and aren't even doctors.
 
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lolwut?

Which high class McD have you been going to? They're full of slow, useless wastes of spaces. And no, they definitely do not deserve to get paid more.

Also, there are a lot of jobs available, a lot. Just people don't want those jobs and they want the easiest jobs out there.

His quote MAY hold true for something like... Downtown of a major city and it's lunch hour (10:30 - 1:30) - I agree with him. Out in the suburbs/not within walking distance of downtown? Yeah, it's slow as snails.
 

Kaido

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What else can you do? It may be sad, but life isn't fair. If you try to give everyone a middle-class income by default, guess what happens?

1. Prices on everything will go higher.
2. Why would anyone strive to work harder and achieve higher positions if you could accept the easiest position available and make a living doing it?

As a few people have noted, a two-year degree goes a long, long way in securing middle-class employment opportunities and won't result in crushing debt. Most people are of average intelligence and should be able to handle something like that.

Exactly, what else can you do about it? It would require a huge, sweeping change, and just look how bad Obamacare has gone with their rollout (sidenote: as a previous web designer/consultant - I snicker every time they talk about the botched website system because it's like that EVERYWHERE haha).
 

Kaido

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There are 168 hours in a week. I'm sure you get where I am going with this.

Sure. I've had to work 3 jobs in the past. It stunk. I also worked 2 jobs for years, not real fun either. Fortunately the computer field pays decently and I was able to get out of that. I don't think people who have the ability to do better but choose not to are the problem, I think it's more people who are more or less stuck where they are, i.e. (just generally speaking, no offense to anyone) the disabled, immigrants, people with low IQ's, people with mental handicaps, etc. I doubt many people want to make McDonalds or Walmart their career choice for life, you know?
 

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It's called being a decent human being. If your plate is full already why not throw off a few more crumbs to those that actually need it.

I'm sure you were given some breaks in life at some point. Or maybe you weren't and that's why you are the heartless self important idiot you portray here.

Yet you refuse to answer the question?

Why should they be paid more than their value?
It is an entry level job that requires no skill set.
Intended on generating some spending money.

You want more spending money; either move up or out.
Many fast food places have help wanted signs for shift managers as well as regular workers out all the time.

A shift manager may have to be more responsible; work harder and get a little higher pay.

There are limited slots within a location; but if those are unfilled; it indicates that the entry level people are not wanting to qualify for those slots. They are happy having to take no responsibility, not work harder and receive the pay they signed up for.
 

Kaido

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Also, there are a lot of jobs available, a lot. Just people don't want those jobs and they want the easiest jobs out there.

I think the biggest key to staying employed is being willing to relocate. In my area there are TONS of jobs available, if you're willing to either move or commute. Dense places like NYC seem a lot more difficult because then you're competing with a ton of other people. Plus a lot of people have that attitude that certain jobs are beneath them, like retail or fast food. Which is funny because then they complain that all of the low-level jobs are going to migrant workers! Shoot, money is money. If I got laid off & couldn't find a job within a week, I'd book it over to the nearest Burger King & work nights in the meantime to at least have some income coming in, unless it was economically smarter to live off unemployment.

I knew a guy who milked his unemployement for an entire year. After taxes, he made nearly as much money as he did working full-time. He ended up turning into a total loaf and contributing zero to society for 12 months straight. In his mind, it was awesome. But really, it was just kind of lame. Video game addiction is an amazing thing
 
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