"Thousands" of min-wage McDonalds workers to walk off jobs to demand better pay

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alkemyst

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Fun fact a woman is better off marrying a guy with a high school diploma than getting a 4 year college degree if she wants to avoid poverty for herself and her children.

dafuq? What kind of 4 year degrees are you talking about?
 

velillen

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This was where my question is stemming from, much of it was clarified...but again $10 as a living wage is very dependent on where one is living.

Personally I don't think $10/hr really works anywhere without roommates.

I am not one looking to boost minimum wage though.

Even in the late 80's and early 90's without a degree and as a senior in High School I was making $12.50/hr for my main job. I also worked two other jobs to make extra money/experience. I did vet tech work on the weekends and from Thursday/Fri to Sat/Sun I delivered Chinese food at night from about 5 to 10/11.


It all depends where you live. I could live off 1000 a month by myself where i live now.
But it is all about living within your means. if i was only making 10 bucks an hour i wouldnt have internet, would watch the free cable provided by most apartment complexes. Would use public transportation. Would have a pay-as-you-go type cell phone (or even no cell if apartment had free phone). Course i would also do things like try to find a roommate situation and live within walking distance of work.

And of course location is key. I could do that where i live...but in NYC or Seattle type places it would be very different.

People just feel to entitled to everything and complain when they dont get it. You want 3 kids, the 60" tv, and nice car...then you should go to school and get a btter job. Not demand 15 bucks an hour for a no skill job
 

Spungo

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Interesting graph. Single mother with 4 year degree is 12% poverty while married mother with high school diploma has 9% poverty.

There probably shouldn't be a federal minimum wage. Minimum wage should be a more local thing. An appropriate minimum wage in Manhattan will obviously be much higher than an appropriate minimum wage in rural New York.
 

Dr. Zaus

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This is the total purchasing power by income bracket. The top two brackets don't usually consume nearly as much of their purchasing power as other brackets (if you make 20k/y you spend everything, if you make 200k/y you save a LOT more).




Economically speaking, $ are meaningless: what is important is how often $s change hands over a period of time (say a year).

If you give people that spend 100% more money, then that money will move around much faster, becoming many more $/y in our economy. When you give money to people that save their marginal dollar, then it becomes many fewer $/y in our economy.

Further people that save reduce the interest rate, increase spending on capital goods, and overall increase employment. People that spend 100% make the prices of those resources marginally demanded by those that spend 100% go up in price.

Within a "J curve" of limits: Increase minimum wage is a recipe for inflation, lower taxes on those that will save their money is a recipe for greater employment.

Being a communist this makes me sad, and I think we should re-do the whole fucking system so this isn't the case any more: but that doesn't change the underlying economic reality given our existing system.
 

1prophet

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Over 850 replies bickering over minimum wage,

Why are fast food jobs today considered a way to raise a family instead of a stepping stone for teenagers, that should be the question and there lies your answer.
 

nehalem256

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Over 850 replies bickering over minimum wage,

Why are fast food jobs today considered a way to raise a family instead of a stepping stone for teenagers, that should be the question and there lies your answer.

I believe this thread should answer you question:
I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. My cousin just posted a picture of her 14 or 15-year-old daughter on Facebook with a visible baby bump which said something to the effect of "My daughter and my granddaughter"
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2357826
 

alkemyst

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It all depends where you live. I could live off 1000 a month by myself where i live now.
But it is all about living within your means. if i was only making 10 bucks an hour i wouldnt have internet, would watch the free cable provided by most apartment complexes. Would use public transportation. Would have a pay-as-you-go type cell phone (or even no cell if apartment had free phone). Course i would also do things like try to find a roommate situation and live within walking distance of work.

And of course location is key. I could do that where i live...but in NYC or Seattle type places it would be very different.

People just feel to entitled to everything and complain when they dont get it. You want 3 kids, the 60" tv, and nice car...then you should go to school and get a btter job. Not demand 15 bucks an hour for a no skill job

What's really funny is under I moved someone down here and inherited some of their stuff I had a really nice home theatre, but still my 1997ish Toshiba 32" Cinema series CRT.

Now I have a 46" LCD on the wall. I haven't sat in front of it much preferring to be in my office and watch a movie or TV show (Comcast is awesome for this) on my 24" LCD and still do email/finances and stuff when I pause or there is a commercial.

I could easily slap up a 65-70" screen...but what would it serve.

My ex-wife worked in the mall (she was a highly ranked software engineer/analyst from Tokyo but gave up for some reason here after giving up her H1B), she had a friend that lived in an apartment with SIX other people (it may have even been EIGHT). They had a 60" TV or larger in every living/bed room of the house. They had smaller Flat Panels in every bathroom and their kitchen. Every bedroom had it's own consoleS (yeah PS3 and XBOX, plus some had older ones).

They got burglarized and never bothered to buy rental insurance. Her friend came to us to ask if we can buy them some TV's.
 

Spungo

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Over 850 replies bickering over minimum wage,

Why are fast food jobs today considered a way to raise a family instead of a stepping stone for teenagers, that should be the question and there lies your answer.

Because our government has been infiltrated by Chinese spies that are destroying the economy. Watch a documentary like Food Inc and you'll see what I mean. You're selling fresh milk because the free market demands it? Nope, illegal because free markets are not what USSA is all about. You're breeding rabbits to sell meat and pets because you're between jobs? Nope, can't do that because something something. You're a 10 year old selling lemonade? Nope, illegal without a permit. You run a private charity that gives home cooked meals to homeless people? Nope, can't do that because it's against food safety standards. You accept $10 payment for giving someone a ride to the airport? Nope, can't do that because you don't have a taxi license.

It's virtually illegal to have a job in this country. The only jobs that are not yet illegal are in fast food and retail. I'm sure our leaders will find a way to make those jobs illegal too.
 

Intabus

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Because our government has been infiltrated by Chinese spies that are destroying the economy. Watch a documentary like Food Inc and you'll see what I mean. You're selling fresh milk because the free market demands it? Nope, illegal because free markets are not what USSA is all about. You're breeding rabbits to sell meat and pets because you're between jobs? Nope, can't do that because something something. You're a 10 year old selling lemonade? Nope, illegal without a permit. You run a private charity that gives home cooked meals to homeless people? Nope, can't do that because it's against food safety standards. You accept $10 payment for giving someone a ride to the airport? Nope, can't do that because you don't have a taxi license.

It's virtually illegal to have a job in this country. The only jobs that are not yet illegal are in fast food and retail. I'm sure our leaders will find a way to make those jobs illegal too.


If I have you correct, in the world you want I can just one day decide to be a taxi, and charge people $157 per mile and you will only know about it AFTER the ride is over and you owe me, because there will be no regulation on me to provide the information ahead of time and to provide a reasonable price. After a few days of this no one will want to ride in my taxi, so I will start a lemonade stand, but I will lace mine with cocaine to get people hooked and coming back. Its perfectly fine for me to do this AND to sell to children because no one is checking to make sure I am not. slowly I raise my prices and people keep coming back and paying because they are addicted. Eventually I get bored so I do something else and screw people over because no regulation to keep me in check and no license ensures I am doing it in a safe, and consumer friendly manner.

That about sums it up right?
 

Specop 007

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The solution here is quite simple. The government should ban fast food jobs, then all those fast wood workers can go back to being doctors and lawyers and not have to worry about the low pay they receive in fast food.
 
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It's virtually illegal to have a job in this country. The only jobs that are not yet illegal are in fast food and retail. I'm sure our leaders will find a way to make those jobs illegal too.

well shit... guess i dont have to work tomorrow, since my IT job is 'illegal' ..
 

MaxPayne63

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If I have you correct, in the world you want I can just one day decide to be a taxi, and charge people $157 per mile and you will only know about it AFTER the ride is over and you owe me, because there will be no regulation on me to provide the information ahead of time and to provide a reasonable price. After a few days of this no one will want to ride in my taxi, so I will start a lemonade stand, but I will lace mine with cocaine to get people hooked and coming back. Its perfectly fine for me to do this AND to sell to children because no one is checking to make sure I am not. slowly I raise my prices and people keep coming back and paying because they are addicted. Eventually I get bored so I do something else and screw people over because no regulation to keep me in check and no license ensures I am doing it in a safe, and consumer friendly manner.

That about sums it up right?

I think you about set the record for the number of fear mongering strawmen in one paragraph, but you forgot to mention terrorists.

Just helping you out, pal.
 

Intabus

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I think you about set the record for the number of fear mongering strawmen in one paragraph, but you forgot to mention terrorists.

Just helping you out, pal.


It felt like it was missing something.


Was just trying to point out what I believe the reason for regulations is. Yes, there are most likely some things out there created for the sole reason of subjugating the common man but I believe that the vast majority are there to protect as many people as possible. It may inconvenience the few, but in the long run more are protected. My scenario was just a worst case type of thing.


Also with my luck I would be the guy that takes the taxi to get the lemonade I was hooked on about a week earlier.
 

BikeJunkie

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People just feel to entitled to everything and complain when they dont get it. You want 3 kids, the 60" tv, and nice car...then you should go to school and get a btter job. Not demand 15 bucks an hour for a no skill job

Nailed it.
 

CZroe

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I used one at Jack in the Box many years ago. I remember thinking a decade ago that people should use some kind of custom order tablet to assemble their own order in any language to eliminate the possibility of the order-taker misunderstanding you.

^ just don't forget the hand sanitizer afterward.

That's just for the few without the app on their personal tablet or smartphone. The kiosk picks up the remaining few customers.
 

Spungo

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If I have you correct, in the world you want I can just one day decide to be a taxi, and charge people $157 per mile
So you're saying that the government creating an artificial taxi shortage LOWERS the cost of taxis?

so I will start a lemonade stand, but I will lace mine with cocaine to get people hooked and coming back. Its perfectly fine for me to do this AND to sell to children because no one is checking to make sure I am not.
Companies already do this. Quick, find 3 soft drinks that do not contain caffeine.

I used one at Jack in the Box many years ago. I remember thinking a decade ago that people should use some kind of custom order tablet to assemble their own order in any language to eliminate the possibility of the order-taker misunderstanding you.
They should have computers at tourist areas. People who only speak Japanese or French could still buy food because the language can be changed by pushing a button.
 
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