"Thousands" of min-wage McDonalds workers to walk off jobs to demand better pay

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Via

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Because it is the CURRENT example we are discussing. Why do you ask questions for which the answers are obvious?

I'm not upset about this, you are. I'm going to sit back and watch it run it's course.

I think the idea that poor people should be happy with their lot in life and just shut the fuck up to be pretty elitist and despicable myself, actually.

Have you read up on the disparity between the amount of slave wage labor and management jobs at McDonalds?
 

jhu

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These people should move to North Dakota and work in the oil fields. Just need people with a pulse, and they pay a lot better.
 

DrPizza

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Next thing you'll be saying the kid with the paper route after school should be able to afford his own apartment rent, utilities and three squares a day grocery bill.

You're never "stuck" anywhere. You're either complacent or you lack the personal knowledge on how to achieve other options in life.
Nice strawman.
The fact is, if we want to have McD's open for breakfast and lunch, it needs to be staffed by people who aren't in school. Lacking enough multimillionaire philanthropists, society is faced with *needing* adults to work those jobs. You simply cannot eliminate that fact. We can't have 100% of our society employed as doctors, lawyers, and engineers.
 

Centauri

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Because the work they do doesn't deserve that much money? Is this a trick question?

And who determines that exactly? Working fast food is hard work, if you're looking for an example of it.

Do you truly deserve what you get paid, by comparison? Because if $7.xx/hr at McDonalds relative to work done is the bar, then we're probably all overpaid.
 

CZroe

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Nice strawman.
The fact is, if we want to have McD's open for breakfast and lunch, it needs to be staffed by people who aren't in school. Lacking enough multimillionaire philanthropists, society is faced with *needing* adults to work those jobs. You simply cannot eliminate that fact. We can't have 100% of our society employed as doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

Fact: Not nearly all adults need their McDonald's job to pay for their own apartment rent, utilities and three squares a day grocery bill either. Many are not the sole income-earner in the household and those that are get assistance and SHOULD be looking for a better job.
 

CZroe

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And who determines that exactly? Working fast food is hard work, if you're looking for an example of it.

Do you truly deserve what you get paid, by comparison? Because if $7.xx/hr at McDonalds relative to work done is the bar, then we're probably all overpaid.

What's more important is that there is HARDER work that pays more even in the unskilled labor market.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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I'm not upset about this, you are. I'm going to sit back and watch it run it's course.

I think the idea that poor people should be happy with their lot in life and just shut the fuck up to be pretty elitist and despicable myself, actually.

Have you read up on the disparity between the amount of slave wage labor and management jobs at McDonalds?

There you go again. I didn't say that they should just shut up and I resent you characterizing it like that. I said that they should go get a different job and not try to hurt others to demand something they aren't entitled to. It isn't their "lot in life" to work THAT unskilled labor job. There are many more that pay more for harder work.

The disparity only matters to people who feel entitled. We have a right to property in this country and if it isn't yours, it shouldn't matter. Period.
 

Acanthus

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Average $3.20/hr increase, for 40 hrs, would make the average store net $0. So I'm guessing it's not going to happen.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Average_McDonalds_Franchise_net_profit
http://www.ask.com/question/how-many-employees-does-mcdonalds-have

That is complete and total bullshit. Your average mcdonalds owner rakes in $40k a month in profit from a shitty mcdonalds, a good one in a good location can push $250k/mo in profit.

I don't agree with unskilled laborers making $15 an hour, but don't give us that cry baby "oh noes we will go broke if we pay our workers fairly" routine either.
 

Via

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There you go again. I didn't say that they should just shut up and I resent you characterizing it like that. I said that they should go get a different job and not try to hurt others to demand something they aren't entitled to. It isn't their "lot in life" to work THAT unskilled labor job. There are many more that pay more for harder work.

The disparity only matters to people who feel entitled. We have a right to property in this country and if it isn't yours, it shouldn't matter. Period.

Do you live near one of the walkout locations?

Do you rely on McDonald's for sustenance?

If "yea" on either of those - you have a dog in this fight and you're entitled to have strong feelings about this situation.

If "nay" on either of those - let market forces dictate the outcome of this.
 

Patranus

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No, they don't. They have the right to not go to work - no once can force them, and McDonald's has the right to fire them. Plain and simple.

There is no right to strike with the expectation that you will keep your job.

Incorrect.

In the United States progressives have passed laws and regulations through the NLRB the restrict an employers ability to terminate striking workers.
 

kaerflog

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I've only read the first page and there are already so much misinformation about the subject at hand.
I was GM for McDonalds for 5yrs so I pretty much know everything there is to know about McDonalds. I've been out of the business for over 6 yrs but it remains relatively the same.
McDonalds make their money from charging all the franchises.
The franchises in turn making money by nickel and dime their customers.
The average McDonalds only make 6%-8% after ALL expenses.
Shift managers make $9-$12/hr
2nd assistants make ~$25k + bonus
1st assistants make ~$33k + bonus
GMs make $42k+ and bonus
This is in florida so its impossible for McDonalds to make money paying their employees more money in this business model.

All these McDonalds workers demanding more money are stupid.
The great thing about McDonlads is that you can move up in the company very very fast.
I've seen people started off as a regular worker to GM in 1 yr. While not the norm, if you are good you can become GM within 2 yrs.
So instead of bitching how little you make, apply yourself and move up in the company.
Another great thing about McDonalds is they all operate the same way.
Once you become a certified GM, you will never have to worry about being out of work again.
While you won't be rich, you can live comfortably being in management for McDonalds.

Ask me anything.
 

Acanthus

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I've only read the first page and there are already so much misinformation about the subject at hand.
I was GM for McDonalds for 5yrs so I pretty much know everything there is to know about McDonalds. I've been out of the business for over 6 yrs but it remains relatively the same.
McDonalds make their money from charging all the franchises.
The franchises in turn making money by nickel and dime their customers.
The average McDonalds only make 6%-8% after ALL expenses.
Shift managers make $9-$12/hr
2nd assistants make ~$25k + bonus
1st assistants make ~$33k + bonus
GMs make $42k+ and bonus
This is in florida so its impossible for McDonalds to make money paying their employees more money in this business model.

All these McDonalds workers demanding more money are stupid.
The great thing about McDonlads is that you can move up in the company very very fast.
I've seen people started off as a regular worker to GM in 1 yr. While not the norm, if you are good you can become GM within 2 yrs.
So instead of bitching how little you make, apply yourself and move up in the company.
Another great thing about McDonalds is they all operate the same way.
Once you become a certified GM, you will never have to worry about being out of work again.
While you won't be rich, you can live comfortably being in management for McDonalds.

Ask me anything.

How many people work at a typical location?
 

Via

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I've only read the first page and there are already so much misinformation about the subject at hand.
I was GM for McDonalds for 5yrs so I pretty much know everything there is to know about McDonalds. I've been out of the business for over 6 yrs but it remains relatively the same.
McDonalds make their money from charging all the franchises.
The franchises in turn making money by nickel and dime their customers.
The average McDonalds only make 6%-8% after ALL expenses.
Shift managers make $9-$12/hr
2nd assistants make ~$25k + bonus
1st assistants make ~$33k + bonus
GMs make $42k+ and bonus
This is in florida so its impossible for McDonalds to make money paying their employees more money in this business model.

All these McDonalds workers demanding more money are stupid.
The great thing about McDonlads is that you can move up in the company very very fast.
I've seen people started off as a regular worker to GM in 1 yr. While not the norm, if you are good you can become GM within 2 yrs.
So instead of bitching how little you make, apply yourself and move up in the company.
Another great thing about McDonalds is they all operate the same way.
Once you become a certified GM, you will never have to worry about being out of work again.
While you won't be rich, you can live comfortably being in management for McDonalds.

Ask me anything.

You knew some extreme outliers then. 2.2% of the 4.1 million employees in the fast food industry hold managerial positions.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2013/0729/Fast-food-workers-strike-McDonald-s-KFC-and-other-chains
 

kaerflog

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That is complete and total bullshit. Your average mcdonalds owner rakes in $40k a month in profit from a shitty mcdonalds, a good one in a good location can push $250k/mo in profit.

I don't agree with unskilled laborers making $15 an hour, but don't give us that cry baby "oh noes we will go broke if we pay our workers fairly" routine either.

You are so out of touch.
If I can find some old statements from my old store I will scan it on here.
 

kaerflog

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You knew some extreme outliers then. 2.2% of the 4.1 million employees in the fast food industry hold managerial positions.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2013/0729/Fast-food-workers-strike-McDonald-s-KFC-and-other-chains

Sorry but what I described is not an outliers.
The whole McDonalds model is to promote people from within.
Thats the basis of their future.
When I was GM, anyone I knew had potential, I sent them to class so they can manage for me.
They whole key to being a great GM is not to run the store but to train people to run the store for me. Like running shifts, doing systems for me. Systems are like doing the schedules, inventory, etc...
If I did all the neccessary systems myself, I would have a heart attack.
Back to my point, most workers at McDonalds think of it as a dead end job so they don't apply themselves to move up.
 

CZroe

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Jun 24, 2001
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Oh the "minimum wage hurts the workers" mantra. I love this one.

Fiction:Employers will lay off everyone if you raise minimum wage!

Reality: Employers hire as many people as they need to get the job done, at the minimum cost possible, accounting for the retention cycle they want to deal with and the skill level of the employee.

Not "everyone." The "reality" you describe is exactly what causes the lay-offs. For some strange reason you chose to see them differently when they are the same.

I'm know there are some real economic discussions to be had about this issue but what kind of gobbledygook was that?

Excellent fast food workers dutifully slaving away at minimum wage until they're poached by competitors? I'm sure that's a fairly common occurrence.
You are getting hung up in the specific imagery and description. Look at it like a parable. It is "poaching" in a different sense: In whatever position you work, if your skill and effort is not compensated at what is acceptable to you and you aren't actively "poached," you will likely go and look for someone who will pay closer to what you are worth. If I developed the skills to be a nuclear scientist while working at Subway, the IAEA isn't going to just find me there to offer me more but I may just be poached by them anyway when I start marketing my skillset.
 

kaerflog

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How many people work at a typical location?

Typically around 40-50 workers and 7-8 managers.
An average McDonalds does around 2.5-3 millions per year.
Typical of a McDonalds(franchise).
- GM
- 1 first assistant managers.
- 2-3 2nd assistant managers.
All those are salaried.
- 3-4 Shift managers gets paid hourly $9-$12/hr.
This is all from about 5 yrs ago when I worked.
Sorry I'm heading to bed.
 

mikegg

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I make 100k/year. My partner makes 60k/year. Even at 160k/year, we don't feel like we are economically viable to have kids yet. I just read in the article that one of the strikers have 4 kids and make minimum.

Economy is bad. Stop having kids. I don't blame them for wanting a better life but is you know you are in a bad economic situation, don't have kids.

Hmmm... :hmm:
 
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MrColin

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I don't understand how anybody can think working in fast food can be a career choice. It is a good way to get some income while in school, quickly develop customer skills, learn humility. It sure beats slaving over blueberry picking for cents per pound or moving lawns.

Blueberry picking pays way better. I've done it.
 
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