"Thousands" of min-wage McDonalds workers to walk off jobs to demand better pay

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Patranus

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You can also look around to other countries. Minimum wage in many places in Canada is $10/hr. In Australia it's over $16/hr (with discounts for age, disability, geography etc). Raising the minimum wage doesn't blow up the economy and turn the country upside down.

 

Svnla

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Minimum wage is just that, minimum. Not to support a whole family or lifestyle.

<<--- used to make minimum wage years ago for less than $5/hr.

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You can also look around to other countries. Minimum wage in many places in Canada is $10/hr. In Australia it's over $16/hr (with discounts for age, disability, geography etc). Raising the minimum wage doesn't blow up the economy and turn the country upside down.

And do you know how much a combo meal at a fast food joint in Oz would cost? I was there a few months ago and over $10 AUD (and 1 AUD was about 1.2 USD a few months ago). Hair cut (cheapo at barber shop) = $21 or more. Cars (cheap Korean imports) = about 1.5 to double the price as they are in the US. Houses = over 2x to 3x the cost of similar houses in US...and so on. Everything were more expensive than in the US from my obervation.

More info = http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/rising-price-of-living-in-australia-20130426-2ik16.html

http://www.news.com.au/money/cost-o...ensive-countries/story-fnagkbpv-1226627375923
 
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silverpig

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What? Providing real-life counter examples from comparable countries doesn't compute for you?

I was refuting a point that higher minimum wages would blow up the economy and cause mass turmoil, hyperinflation, and economic ruin.

I posted 2 examples of similar countries with similar economies that are doing just fine despite having higher minimum wages.
 

HomerJS

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Funny how McDonalds didn't go bankrupt when the effective min wage was $11.00/hr in the 80s
 

silverpig

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GDP per capita, life expectancy, education levels, worker productivity, infant mortality, democracy, literacy rate, industrial development, inflation... all very similar.

It's not like comparing Sweden to Somalia.

But go ahead, post another picture and avoid making a cogent argument.
 

JM Aggie08

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And that is an immoral, ignorant ideology. It fails to understand the issues in distribution of wealth, and supports all the manipulations sending wealth to the top only.

Meh, probably stems from the fact that I really don't care about other people that much, sans family and friends.
 

Craig234

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They are working and their efforts aren't cutting it.

In 1900, the average wage in the US was $10,000 adjusted for inflation. Later, after government policy shifted to support workers, that went up by multiples.

That's what we call the 'birth of the middle class'.

Today, I was listening to a typical story from someone talking about how their father was a truck driver (in the 60's era), and was able to have a one-income household with a house, five children, all of whom went to college. People used to be able to support a family on those sorts of employment. That was called 'the American Dream'.

Today, the greed at the top has made Americans poorer to enrich themselves. It's wrong.
 

FDF12389

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In 1900, the average wage in the US was $10,000 adjusted for inflation. Later, after government policy shifted to support workers, that went up by multiples.

That's what we call the 'birth of the middle class'.

Today, I was listening to a typical story from someone talking about how their father was a truck driver (in the 60's era), and was able to have a one-income household with a house, five children, all of whom went to college. People used to be able to support a family on those sorts of employment. That was called 'the American Dream'.

Today, the greed at the top has made Americans poorer to enrich themselves. It's wrong.

Entertainment used to be one TV in the house. One phone attached to the wall. Lunch was cheap at the public school.

Now a family of four needs (Satire)four cell phones, cable, internet, netflix, a desktop and two laptops, and an xbox or whatever.

People need to scale back...
 

Craig234

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Entertainment used to be one TV in the house. One phone attached to the wall. Lunch was cheap at the public school.

Now a family of four needs (Satire)four cell phones, cable, internet, netflix, a desktop and two laptops, and an xbox or whatever.

People need to scale back...

You don't understand, they don't. The wealth has been taken from them to the top.

You are speaking like a business owner who develops a thousands a day drug habit and decides he'd like to collect private jets, telling him employees to take repeated pay cuts.

Clearly, that's the best place to cut. We have a lot of wealth. It's shifted to the top.
 

EagleKeeper

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You don't understand, they don't. The wealth has been taken from them to the top.

You are speaking like a business owner who develops a thousands a day drug habit and decides he'd like to collect private jets, telling him employees to take repeated pay cuts.

Clearly, that's the best place to cut. We have a lot of wealth. It's shifted to the top.

The business owner created that wealth by work and investment.

Those that helped made the choice; some could have attempted it on their own.
But they were unable to either raise the capital needed or did not want to assume the risk.

You want to punish people for success. :thumbsdown:
 

EagleKeeper

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In 1900, the average wage in the US was $10,000 adjusted for inflation. Later, after government policy shifted to support workers, that went up by multiples.

That's what we call the 'birth of the middle class'.

Today, I was listening to a typical story from someone talking about how their father was a truck driver (in the 60's era), and was able to have a one-income household with a house, five children, all of whom went to college. People used to be able to support a family on those sorts of employment. That was called 'the American Dream'.

Today, the greed at the top has made Americans poorer to enrich themselves. It's wrong.

What policies were changed to support the workers - unions? Taxes? Min wage? Handouts?

Unions came after technology and innovation.
 

Craig234

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The business owner created that wealth by work and investment.

Those that helped made the choice; some could have attempted it on their own.
But they were unable to either raise the capital needed or did not want to assume the risk.

You want to punish people for success. :thumbsdown:

And you again misrepresent my position.

At the same time you immensely exaggerate the role of the owner, who I give full credit to and want to see profit greatly for their great work.

I just don't take that great profit and multiply it by thousand destroying the country.

I could go on with things like statistics about CEO's going from 25 times worker salaries to 400 times and other excesses, but facts don't matter to you IMO.
 

JM Aggie08

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The business owner created that wealth by work and investment.

Those that helped made the choice; some could have attempted it on their own.
But they were unable to either raise the capital needed or did not want to assume the risk.

You want to punish people for success. :thumbsdown:


You're starting to sound a bit sociopathic as well.

/S
 

Craig234

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What policies were changed to support the workers - unions? Taxes? Min wage? Handouts?

Unions came after technology and innovation.

You're highly ignotant about the issue and history of labor issues. I could recommend some reading to you to help with that, you have no interest, so you'll stay ignorant about it.
 

JM Aggie08

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No he's not. He's ignorant - there's a difference. When Eaglekeeper gets more informed, he seems to have some decency as I recall. You are different than him.

You literally know nothing significant about me.

Calm down, Susan.
 

JM Aggie08

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Wrong, Susan.

I am commenting on what you said. If you weren't lying, that's something. Oh, and Texas.

So based upon that sentence, you've deduced that I'm not a decent person? :hmm:

I can only assume by mentioning Texas, that you're basing the rest of my 'character profile' off of where I live?

That's some solid evidence you've got there.
 
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