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Markfw

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I might go with a heatsink for my NVMe drives, going to see how MSI's heatshield works first before dropping more money on this build.

And again, you just proved my point, they do get hot. BECAUSE MSI knew that and have an HSF built in, good job, MSI !!
 
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Pandora's Box

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I did make myself laugh that I scoffed at the $12.99 price EKWB wants for the NVMe heatsink after spending over $3,000 on this new build.
 
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ub4ty

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I might go with a heatsink for my NVMe drives, going to see how MSI's heatshield works first before dropping more money on this build.


KEK. I wasn't aware the heat shield was that thin.. LOL, the thermal pads are like 2x thicker. Something tells me that's not going to work out as great as they propose... Feel like a lot of heat insulation is going to occur and the heat profile on the right is moreso because of the thermal pads blocking the underlying surface than anything. Some temps and use case info would be a lot better.
 
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Pandora's Box

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KEK. I wasn't aware the heat shield was that thin.. LOL, the thermal pads are like 2x thicker. Something tells me that's not going to work out as great as they propose... Feel like a lot of heat insulation is going to occur and the heat profile on the right is moreso because of the thermal pads blocking the underlying surface than anything. Some temps and use case info would be a lot better.

Yeah I don't think they are going to do any wonders to be honest. My two 960 Pro drives I'm not worried about, my 950 Pro I'm a little worried about but that drive will likely be a storage drive with little usage on it. We shall see.
 

urvile

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Well. I was just advised by my buds at pccasegear that they aren't even going to have stock until the 16th. I picture a steam ship loaded with thread rippers setting sail from china....

On the plus side after reading this thread I swapped the hyperX 2600 I bought for some Corsair 3000 (good old pccasegears TR supported RAM selection at higher frequencies is non existent)

Enjoy your thread rippers. You bastards.
 

Aenra

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People don't learn...

-- the following considering it's an HEDT platform, and as such being stingy is dumb at the very least --
-- typical Aenra disclaimer, i am not good at tact; just call them as i see them --

1) MSI, Asus or ASRock mobos.. never mind we've already seen Gigabyte boards allow for highest RAM+CPU clocking, nope; let's buy something else, lol.. even though with TRs being R7s x2, we have absolutely zero reason to expect anything different, but hey, why buy what's best for us. Let's buy MSI or Asus (significantly more expensive never mind they both fare worse) just because!
[you love the hype, don't you. Admit it. You deserve this]

2) We already know that it's quite attainable reaching 3400-3600MHz easy with RAMs binned for higher frequencies (3800-4000 [if you don't know why, google or read comment of mine on the topic at the R7 builders thread]). We already know that with modules binned -at- 3000ish it's almost impossible with Ryzens, we'd be talking about 'golden' chips mostly. And yet, what do most folks buy? 3000 and 3200 kits; in before yet more megathreads of 'why can't my RAM..!'
[before you say it's expensive, read above about HEDT. You get what you pay for in life]

3) Typical lack of patience and that from mature, older folks. No waiting, buy now and see.. do you know what a percentage of improvement you'll get with a proper tr4-compatible cooler? Do you know if your mobo of choice will allow you for a full block or not? Can you even know if, as has happened time and time again, the first batch of coolers to come out will be functioning properly?
[i don't know how you plan, how you can plan ahead.. personally, i don't even know how many rads i need yet.. how could i when i'm not even sure how it's gonna be with monoblocks? Have you seen the memory VRM's placement in TR4 boards? Look again and see if any thoughts pop up]

I don't get you folks. No, i don't have to, no, it sure as hell doesn't affect me.. but by God, i really don't get you. What can i say

This thread is for exchange of experience between AMD Threadripper system builders. You aren't contributing anything relevant to that in this post. Get lost.
-- stahlhart
 

urvile

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People don't learn...

-- the following considering it's an HEDT platform, and as such being stingy is dumb at the very least --
-- typical Aenra disclaimer, i am not good at tact; just call them as i see them --

1) MSI, Asus or ASRock mobos.. never mind we've already seen Gigabyte boards allow for highest RAM+CPU clocking, nope; let's buy something else, lol.. even though with TRs being R7s x2, we have absolutely zero reason to expect anything different, but hey, why buy what's best for us. Let's buy MSI or Asus (significantly more expensive never mind they both fare worse) just because!
[you love the hype, don't you. Admit it. You deserve this]

2) We already know that it's quite attainable reaching 3200-3600MHz with RAMs binned for higher frequencies (3800-4000 [if you don't know why, google or read comment of mine on the topic at the R7 builders thread]). We already know that with modules binned -at- 3200ish it's almost impossible with Ryzens, we'd be talking about 'golden' chips mostly. And yet, what do most folks buy? 3000 and 3200 kits; in before yet more megathreads of 'why can't my RAM..!'

3) Typical lack of patience and that from mature, older folks. No waiting, buy now and see.. do you know what a percentage of improvement you'll get with a proper tr4-compatible cooler? Do you know if your mobo of choice will allow you for a full block or not? Can you even know if, as has happened time and time again, the first batch of coolers to come out will be functioning properly?

I don't get you folks. No, i don't have to, no, sure as hell doesn't affect me.. but by God, i really don't get you. What can i say

OK then. Thanks for that. It was very informative. If slightly ranty. I guess we all get to find out if you actually know what you are talking about soon enough. Won't that be an exciting day?
 

ddogg

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People don't learn...

-- the following considering it's an HEDT platform, and as such being stingy is dumb at the very least --
-- typical Aenra disclaimer, i am not good at tact; just call them as i see them --

1) MSI, Asus or ASRock mobos.. never mind we've already seen Gigabyte boards allow for highest RAM+CPU clocking, nope; let's buy something else, lol.. even though with TRs being R7s x2, we have absolutely zero reason to expect anything different, but hey, why buy what's best for us. Let's buy MSI or Asus (significantly more expensive never mind they both fare worse) just because!
[you love the hype, don't you. Admit it. You deserve this]

2) We already know that it's quite attainable reaching 3400-3600MHz easy with RAMs binned for higher frequencies (3800-4000 [if you don't know why, google or read comment of mine on the topic at the R7 builders thread]). We already know that with modules binned -at- 3000ish it's almost impossible with Ryzens, we'd be talking about 'golden' chips mostly. And yet, what do most folks buy? 3000 and 3200 kits; in before yet more megathreads of 'why can't my RAM..!'
[before you say it's expensive, read above about HEDT. You get what you pay for in life]

3) Typical lack of patience and that from mature, older folks. No waiting, buy now and see.. do you know what a percentage of improvement you'll get with a proper tr4-compatible cooler? Do you know if your mobo of choice will allow you for a full block or not? Can you even know if, as has happened time and time again, the first batch of coolers to come out will be functioning properly?
[i don't know how you plan, how you can plan ahead.. personally, i don't even know how many rads i need yet.. how could i when i'm not even sure how it's gonna be with monoblocks? Have you seen the memory VRM's placement in TR4 boards? Look again and see if any thoughts pop up]

I don't get you folks. No, i don't have to, no, it sure as hell doesn't affect me.. but by God, i really don't get you. What can i say
Cool story. Some of your points are valid but many people like to be early adopters and tinker even if it means some pain along the way. It's part of the game.
 
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Markfw

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@Aenra
This is a builders thread, and comments are welcome as I said, but not trolling.
 
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Markfw

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To those who ordered a threadripper from newegg, and it supposedly shipped. Does your order also say"Shipment information sent to FedEx" 8 hours ago, and no updates ? And your motherboard 2-3 hours ago already has an update ?
 
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Markfw

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May 16, 2002
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People don't learn...

-- the following considering it's an HEDT platform, and as such being stingy is dumb at the very least --
-- typical Aenra disclaimer, i am not good at tact; just call them as i see them --

1) MSI, Asus or ASRock mobos.. never mind we've already seen Gigabyte boards allow for highest RAM+CPU clocking, nope; let's buy something else, lol.. even though with TRs being R7s x2, we have absolutely zero reason to expect anything different, but hey, why buy what's best for us. Let's buy MSI or Asus (significantly more expensive never mind they both fare worse) just because!
[you love the hype, don't you. Admit it. You deserve this]

2) We already know that it's quite attainable reaching 3400-3600MHz easy with RAMs binned for higher frequencies (3800-4000 [if you don't know why, google or read comment of mine on the topic at the R7 builders thread]). We already know that with modules binned -at- 3000ish it's almost impossible with Ryzens, we'd be talking about 'golden' chips mostly. And yet, what do most folks buy? 3000 and 3200 kits; in before yet more megathreads of 'why can't my RAM..!'
[before you say it's expensive, read above about HEDT. You get what you pay for in life]

3) Typical lack of patience and that from mature, older folks. No waiting, buy now and see.. do you know what a percentage of improvement you'll get with a proper tr4-compatible cooler? Do you know if your mobo of choice will allow you for a full block or not? Can you even know if, as has happened time and time again, the first batch of coolers to come out will be functioning properly?
[i don't know how you plan, how you can plan ahead.. personally, i don't even know how many rads i need yet.. how could i when i'm not even sure how it's gonna be with monoblocks? Have you seen the memory VRM's placement in TR4 boards? Look again and see if any thoughts pop up]

I don't get you folks. No, i don't have to, no, it sure as hell doesn't affect me.. but by God, i really don't get you. What can i say
I have 2 Ryzen systems, both run memory at 3200 CAS14. Why ? I got the correct memory. Your trolling is not appreciated here. I could go on, but its no use, since you have already made up your mind.
 
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Elixer

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To those who ordered a threadripper from newegg, and it supposedly shipped. Does your order also say"Shipment information sent to FedEx" 8 hours ago, and no updates ? And your motherboard 2-3 hours ago already has an update ?
This might shed some light on the subject...
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6sptyg/newegg_threadripperzenith_extreme_preorders/

  • All orders shipping to Canada will be coming out of the New Jersey warehouse or the Indiana warehouse. Nothing will ship from warehouses here in Canada.

  • X399 ROG Zenith Extreme Motherboards have yet to arrive in the United States warehouses or US/Canada warehouses as I mentioned above.

  • The United States will receive 150 X399 ROG Motherboards total for pre-orders. Canada will receive 10 X399 ROG Motherboards since the pre-order numbers are very low.

  • Ryzen 1950X and 1920X pre-orders are being full-filled as we speak but the pre-orders outweighs the stock in the warehouses between Canada and the United States.
 
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Markfw

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First, thanks for that. Second, as you can see, my motherboard is on its way. The big question, is why after 10 hours, there is no update on the supposedly shipped CPU, it shipped first !!. Not even received at the fedex facility. Thats very odd. Here is the text:

  • Estimated delivery: Monday, August 14, 2017 by End of Day (in 5 days)
  • Destination: BEAVERTON,OR
  • Tracking Number:<deleted>
Latest Activity: Shipment information sent to FedEx

  • Carrier: FEDEX
  • Weight: 2.7 lbs / 1.22 kgs

Date / Time
Activity
Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:20 AM (10 hours ago) Shipment information sent to FedEx
 
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FiLeZz

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Why does my CPU package weigh 6lb?

  • LAST LOCATION: CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA
  • LATEST ACTIVITY: Left FedEx origin facility
  • CARRIER: FEDEX
  • WEIGHT: 6 lbs / 2.72 kgs

LOCATION DATE / TIME ACTIVITY
CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA Wednesday, August 09, 2017 3:56 PM (13 hours ago) Left FedEx origin facility
CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA Wednesday, August 09, 2017 1:47 PM (15 hours ago) Picked up
Wednesday, August 09, 2017 1:10 PM (16 hours ago) Shipment information sent to FedEx
 
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ub4ty

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To those who ordered a threadripper from newegg, and it supposedly shipped. Does your order also say"Shipment information sent to FedEx" 8 hours ago, and no updates ? And your motherboard 2-3 hours ago already has an update ?
I have tracked numbers which link to a delivery process flow leading to a delivery date
shipping info 11 a.m
picked up 8:00pm
fedex facility 10:40 p.m
Seems they're working round the clock. As am I ..
It's late. So, you'll probably see the same in the morning (picked up->at facility->being sent to you)
 
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guskline

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Markfw, first thank you for the thread. As you can see from my sig, I'm "maxed" out on computers right now and since I don't do content or media creation right now TR won't be a priority. However, I jumped on Ryzen as soon as the 1800x released (followed it for sometime) and I must say it has had some growing pains but has developed into a solid cpu. Mine is rock solid at 4.05 with custom water cooling.

I have a hunch that TR will even be better. My CB15 score is always in the very high 1700s (1790 min) to the very low 1800s (1805 max) but consistent. AMD has obviously decided to use the Ryzen as the building block for TR and from all I have read the new TR is showing GREAT performance across the board.

I wish you luck with what looks like a stellar build. I'm sure there will be a TON of us following your reviews. Thanks again.

P.S. Just bought a new Gigabyte Aorus Extreme GTX1080TI with WaterBlock from Newegg. I gave up on Vega. I had my Zotac GTX1080 FE with an EK waterblock in my 5960x rig and was hoping to go with a Vega that I could custom watercool in my 1800x rig. Sadly the Vega reviews tend to show it just matching the GTX1080 that I've had for a year. Considering the likely delay due to miners etc and the cost of Vega. I opted to jump up to the GTX1080TI despite it costing more.

The reason I comment is that this Ryzen is so strong compared to my 5960x at 4.4Ghz I was torn as to which rig would get the new waterblocked GTX1080TI. I guess the "faithful" 5960x won out in the end but this Ryzen 1800x is that strong that I was really considering it!

Had I had a 1950x like you are building, there would be ABSOLUTELY no question. 1950x DESERVES a GTX1080TI.

Good luck.
 
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StefanR5R

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[MSI "M.2 Shield"]
I wasn't aware the heat shield was that thin.. LOL, the thermal pads are like 2x thicker. Something tells me that's not going to work out as great as they propose... Feel like a lot of heat insulation is going to occur and the heat profile on the right is moreso because of the thermal pads blocking the underlying surface than anything. Some temps and use case info would be a lot better.
MSI's M.2 Shield has indeed been criticized already, and then the critic has been criticized... with no proper conclusion IMO.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2781-msi-m2-heat-shield-increases-temperatures
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-01/msi-m.2-shield-ssd-temperatur/ (in German)

Other tests which found that the MSI M.2 Shield defers the period until thermal throttling IMO just prove that the "shield" adds heat capacity, but not necessarily better dissipation.

My own understanding from various reviews of M.2 NVMe drives is that air flow is important, without or with heat sink, and that an M.2 heat sink can only help reduce the required air flow somewhat, compared to the naked drive, if the heat sink actually adds substantial radiator surface and if the thermal interface is of appropriately low resistance. This is impossible to achieve with a solution which needs to be widely compatible, physically.
 

Markfw

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So my CPU is now 5 hours behind my motherboard, both leaving "city of industry" but the motherboard says friday delivery, and the cpu monday. ARG !!!! 5 hours delays it until Monday ?? And the CPU shipped first by well over 5 hours.
 
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AdamK47

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And again, you just proved my point, they do get hot. BECAUSE MSI knew that and have an HSF built in, good job, MSI !!

They are more like heat insulators. Don't use them.


I removed them from my MSI motherboard.
 

Markfw

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They are more like heat insulators. Don't use them.


I removed them from my MSI motherboard.
Good catch ! At least the whole issue of nvme ssd's getting hot has surfaced, and different actions are being taken. I can say my method took mine from 70c or more down to 45-50c.
 
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IEC

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It's no fun getting the same hardware as everyone else, so I bit the bullet and preordered the MSI board after taking a look at the layout.

Brief look at the board:
"13 phases" = 10 + 3, with the 10 being doubled (I don't think it's 10 native for CPU)
2x8 pin CPU power plugs is promising for OC potential
1x6 pin PCI-e power plug would be good for multi-GPU

Now time to go preorder an EK water block.
 

IEC

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Preordered EK water block. Estimated delivery date says August 18th with DHL Express. Hope that's correct. More than likely I'll be building on the 21st, I suspect.
 
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