Threadripper BUILDERS thread

[Kelwayne]

Sorry, I went on vacation and was unable to get it done before I left. You will have to wait until the end of the month when I return

Lol right on enjoy!

 

[Howdy]

Sorry, I went on vacation and was unable to get it done before I left. You will have to wait until the end of the month when I return

Uh yeah..Vacation that's it "vacation" .....told you, you needed a license to own that thing!!!

 

[eek2121]

After 4 months, I've about had it with this MSI board. If you are going with Threadripper stay away from anything MSI. Fan profiles are COMPLETELY busted. There is no way to automatically control your fans. In addition, if you don't use the keyboard (and push enter afterwards) to set most of the OC bios settings, they won't actually be applied, even though the bios will show the new value when you reboot. What a waste of money. I might try and eBay it and pick up a different brand. Who has been providing the best BIOS support so far?

 

[Reinvented]

After 4 months, I've about had it with this MSI board. If you are going with Threadripper stay away from anything MSI. Fan profiles are COMPLETELY busted. There is no way to automatically control your fans. In addition, if you don't use the keyboard (and push enter afterwards) to set most of the OC bios settings, they won't actually be applied, even though the bios will show the new value when you reboot. What a waste of money. I might try and eBay it and pick up a different brand. Who has been providing the best BIOS support so far?

I recommend ASRock Taichi for X399 and X370. Good support, and very stable.

 

[StinkyPinky]

After 4 months, I've about had it with this MSI board. If you are going with Threadripper stay away from anything MSI. Fan profiles are COMPLETELY busted. There is no way to automatically control your fans. In addition, if you don't use the keyboard (and push enter afterwards) to set most of the OC bios settings, they won't actually be applied, even though the bios will show the new value when you reboot. What a waste of money. I might try and eBay it and pick up a different brand. Who has been providing the best BIOS support so far?

I'm finding my z370 gigabyte board to be a buggy mess as well. Literally run into a bug every time i go into it. Very poor, I will go back to asus next time.

 

[eek2121]

I ended up purchasing a corsair fan controller. I wanted to do push/pull again anyways, so the extra fan headers will allow me to do that. The other issues I can deal with for now.

EDIT: I will likely pick up a new board if there is a platform refresh for Pinnacle Ridge. Also, I believe MSI is still on an early AGESA version, another strike against them.

 

[bakyt115]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKQtimOV2-s

is it fake?

 

[eek2121]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKQtimOV2-s

is it fake?

Probably not? My chip can boot at 4.4GHz, if I didn't care about degradation I could probably push it even higher.

EDIT: if all he shows is task manager, it probably is fake. Task manager doesn't always display the correct speeds.

 

[IEC]

After 4 months, I've about had it with this MSI board. If you are going with Threadripper stay away from anything MSI. Fan profiles are COMPLETELY busted. There is no way to automatically control your fans. In addition, if you don't use the keyboard (and push enter afterwards) to set most of the OC bios settings, they won't actually be applied, even though the bios will show the new value when you reboot. What a waste of money. I might try and eBay it and pick up a different brand. Who has been providing the best BIOS support so far?

I have the MSI X399 board and don't have these complaints. The reason is probably because I set up a custom DC fan profile for CPU fan and never use the mouse in BIOS/UEFI...

I still agree that MSI's X399 was pretty bad until their most recent UEFI update, which made it tolerable.

 

[Paratus]

I have the MSI X399 board and don't have these complaints. The reason is probably because I set up a custom DC fan profile for CPU fan and never use the mouse in BIOS/UEFI...

I still agree that MSI's X399 was pretty bad until their most recent UEFI update, which made it tolerable.

So I’ve got the MSI board sitting downstairs under the tree. Sounds like I need to update the BIOS before doing much of anything else?

Couple of probably stupid questions.

• BIOS is now called UEFI?
• What’s AGESA?
• My case fans are Thermaltake with their own separate controller. The only thing I’m planning on plugging into the board is the Liqtech 360 pump and radiator fans. Any problems with that?
• Once you’ve got the board setup is it stable? Basically are the problems relegated to BIOS user interface and once it’s setup is it ok?

I haven’t built a machine since the i7920 / X58 PC in my sig.
Thanks.

 

[IEC]

So I’ve got the MSI board sitting downstairs under the tree. Sounds like I need to update the BIOS before doing much of anything else?

Couple of probably stupid questions.

• BIOS is now called UEFI?
• What’s AGESA?
• My case fans are Thermaltake with their own separate controller. The only thing I’m planning on plugging into the board is the Liqtech 360 pump and radiator fans. Any problems with that?
• Once you’ve got the board setup is it stable? Basically are the problems relegated to BIOS user interface and once it’s setup is it ok?

I haven’t built a machine since the i7920 / X58 PC in my sig.
Thanks.

Yes, definitely update to the latest UEFI/BIOS when you can.

UEFI vs BIOS: https://www.howtogeek.com/56958/htg-explains-how-uefi-will-replace-the-bios/
AGESA is AMD's bootstrap protocol/microcode for their CPUs
Shouldn't have an issue with the Liqtech.
Yes. I run my TR rig 24/7 at 100% CPU load, 100% GPU (dual 1080 Ti) load, or both with no issue.

 

[urvile]

So I’ve got the MSI board sitting downstairs under the tree. Sounds like I need to update the BIOS before doing much of anything else?

Couple of probably stupid questions.

• BIOS is now called UEFI?
• What’s AGESA?
• My case fans are Thermaltake with their own separate controller. The only thing I’m planning on plugging into the board is the Liqtech 360 pump and radiator fans. Any problems with that?
• Once you’ve got the board setup is it stable? Basically are the problems relegated to BIOS user interface and once it’s setup is it ok?

I haven’t built a machine since the i7920 / X58 PC in my sig.
Thanks.

I have had no issues with my MSI board either the only thing I have over clocked so far is the ram @ 3000mhz. Considering I couldn't go above stock initially it's a fair improvement. I just make sure I regularly check for BIOS updates.

You should definitely update to the latest BIOS version.

YMMV.

 

[mattiasnyc]

Sorry for "cross-posting this"... but;

So is there any solid information at all on AMD possibly releasing new chipsets for next year or is it just unsubstantiated rumor at this point? It seems to have come from wccftech only.

I'm asking because I want to upgrade my computer this week, and it's either buying a budget/work computer (am4/1700, b350 probably) with the knowledge that I may upgrade again next year if I get enough work on it, or try to anticipate just growing within the platform and getting an x399 board, likely the Designare gambling that Thunderbolt shows up (and then probably a 1920x, or maybe 1900x).... If I need more 'power' then x399 is really the only path forward, so I'd end up on that sooner or later....

 

[Campy]

Sorry for "cross-posting this"... but;

So is there any solid information at all on AMD possibly releasing new chipsets for next year or is it just unsubstantiated rumor at this point? It seems to have come from wccftech only.

I'm asking because I want to upgrade my computer this week, and it's either buying a budget/work computer (am4/1700, b350 probably) with the knowledge that I may upgrade again next year if I get enough work on it, or try to anticipate just growing within the platform and getting an x399 board, likely the Designare gambling that Thunderbolt shows up (and then probably a 1920x, or maybe 1900x).... If I need more 'power' then x399 is really the only path forward, so I'd end up on that sooner or later....

At this point it seems extremely likely we'll get a new 400 series chipset from AMD to go along with their new mainstream CPU releases next year. The new CPUs should still work in 300 series boards though. If I were going that route I'd try to get a good X370 board that I know can handle the new processors including overclocking.

 

[mattiasnyc]

At this point it seems extremely likely we'll get a new 400 series chipset from AMD to go along with their new mainstream CPU releases next year. The new CPUs should still work in 300 series boards though. If I were going that route I'd try to get a good X370 board that I know can handle the new processors including overclocking.

Well, the way I see it the biggest improvement for the type of work I'd hope to do is probably more cores rather than faster cores. So if I end up investing an AM4 platform there's a fair chance it'd be replaced as a whole if there was a successor to the x399 chipset next year. I'm mostly "concerned" about throwing money away on Threadripper if an x499 or whatever shows up and it adds Thunderbolt or what not.... Maybe I'm overthinking this. The difference is pretty significant though between the two options.

 

[formulav8]

The big feature I could see added to the new chipsets is Thunderbolt. Possibly maybe the chipset being full PCI-E 3.0 like the Soc instead of 2.0. Otherwise not sure what the new chipsets would entail that many would have to have.

 

[eek2121]

I have the MSI X399 board and don't have these complaints. The reason is probably because I set up a custom DC fan profile for CPU fan and never use the mouse in BIOS/UEFI...

I still agree that MSI's X399 was pretty bad until their most recent UEFI update, which made it tolerable.

I tried using just the keyboard and it still didn't work. It may be because I had 2 DC fans and 4 PWM fans. Either way, it doesn't work for me. I might try just the PWM fans just for kicks... Oh and are you overclocked? Many of the BIOS options require keyboard and mouse or they won't change...they may even display the new value while retaining the old! (though I don't know if they still do this in the current update).

Just an FYI, what I tried to do is:

0% (also tried 20% for kicks) for under 40C
20% for 40-45C
30% for 45-50C
50% for 50-55C
75% for 55-65C
100% for 65C+

I used the keyboard as well as the mouse. Then I booted into Windows and fired up Prime95 to test. The fans never spun up.

I have had no issues with my MSI board either the only thing I have over clocked so far is the ram @ 3000mhz. Considering I couldn't go above stock initially it's a fair improvement. I just make sure I regularly check for BIOS updates.

You should definitely update to the latest BIOS version.

YMMV.

I'm on the latest BIOS version.

EDIT: It looks like the temperatures for the Fan profiles may NOT account for the offset based on a forum post I read. I will try it again this weekend and see if I can get it to work. I have to return the commander pro because it had a bad fan port anyway.

 

[eek2121]

Well, the way I see it the biggest improvement for the type of work I'd hope to do is probably more cores rather than faster cores. So if I end up investing an AM4 platform there's a fair chance it'd be replaced as a whole if there was a successor to the x399 chipset next year. I'm mostly "concerned" about throwing money away on Threadripper if an x499 or whatever shows up and it adds Thunderbolt or what not.... Maybe I'm overthinking this. The difference is pretty significant though between the two options.

I'm sure they'll release a Threadripper refresh. Threadripper sold like hotcakes when it came out. My money is just waiting for the taking (unless the performance increase is negligible.)

 

[urvile]

I tried using just the keyboard and it still didn't work. It may be because I had 2 DC fans and 4 PWM fans. Either way, it doesn't work for me. I might try just the PWM fans just for kicks... Oh and are you overclocked? Many of the BIOS options require keyboard and mouse or they won't change...they may even display the new value while retaining the old! (though I don't know if they still do this in the current update).

Just an FYI, what I tried to do is:

0% (also tried 20% for kicks) for under 40C
20% for 40-45C
30% for 45-50C
50% for 50-55C
75% for 55-65C
100% for 65C+

I used the keyboard as well as the mouse. Then I booted into Windows and fired up Prime95 to test. The fans never spun up.



I'm on the latest BIOS version.

EDIT: It looks like the temperatures for the Fan profiles may NOT account for the offset based on a forum post I read. I will try it again this weekend and see if I can get it to work. I have to return the commander pro because it had a bad fan port anyway.

Ah. I see, i haven't messed with the fan profiles. So cannot really comment.

 

[mattiasnyc]

I'm sure they'll release a Threadripper refresh. Threadripper sold like hotcakes when it came out. My money is just waiting for the taking (unless the performance increase is negligible.)

I'm not so concerned about the CPU honestly. It's more the x399/mobo platform. If I wanted to make sure I "lost" less money investing in Threadripper now as opposed to waiting I would just get the 1900x. It's inexpensive enough that a straight up loss on it is acceptable for me. I actually think a 1920x would last long for me. But an added "loss" of the motherboard having to be replaced would be annoying.

But the more I've read up on Thunderbolt I'm starting to think that a Gigabyte Designare could, technically, host a Thunderbolt add-on PCIe card connected to its header. If a new CPU is needed to make that work it'd be ok for me. But I wouldn't want to splurge on the board only to have to replace it in 2018. So as I said, I'm sort of torn between a 1900x/1920x Designare build or a Ryzen 1700 stop-gap "budget" build.

 

[Kelwayne]

I'm still about six weeks away from pulling the trigger on a TR build. Planning on the Taichi but it would be nice to find out Thunderbolt could be added on. Audio interface low latency issues would vanish.

Anyone ever replaced the fans on the Enermax LiqTech 360? I was thinking of throwing on three Vardar F4-120ER and using two of the Enermax fans on the bottom of the case, use PWM the same as the rad fans, to boost airflow. Save the third fan as a spare...

 

[Paratus]

So most of my parts are here, (except for a Vega GPU - sigh).

I might have a problem with the Enermax Liqtech cooler. There’s about 5-10 drops of propylene glycol / water mix in the plastic bag containing the pump.

Anyone else seen a few drops in the bag or do I have a leak somewhere?

 

[eek2121]

So most of my parts are here, (except for a Vega GPU - sigh).

I might have a problem with the Enermax Liqtech cooler. There’s about 5-10 drops of propylene glycol / water mix in the plastic bag containing the pump.

Anyone else seen a few drops in the bag or do I have a leak somewhere?

Sounds like You might.

 

[eek2121]

I'm still about six weeks away from pulling the trigger on a TR build. Planning on the Taichi but it would be nice to find out Thunderbolt could be added on. Audio interface low latency issues would vanish.

Anyone ever replaced the fans on the Enermax LiqTech 360? I was thinking of throwing on three Vardar F4-120ER and using two of the Enermax fans on the bottom of the case, use PWM the same as the rad fans, to boost airflow. Save the third fan as a spare...

I added 3 SP120s in push/pull config. However, I am about to revamp my build and remove the SP120s and the enermax fans. I will be replacing them with ML120 RGBs. Lower cooling performance, but I think it will work out.

 

[eek2121]

I reached out to MSI and they gave me a beta BIOS that fixes the fan profiles! REJOICE! lol. My commander pro is defective, so I had to send it back. Thank god that the fan profiles work now.

The ML120s don't do a very good job at keeping the 1950X cool, probably due to the 1600 RPM. I'll have to spring for some SP120 RGBs when I have the chance. It looks like you really do need those high RPM (2300+) fans in order to keep things running cool under load when overclocked.