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CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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lol 15m is ridiculous. I could see a couple grand maybe? But of course you can sue for any reason and any amount so may as well just make up a big number. He'll need that 15m to upgrade his cpu fab.

At first I was more on his side because of how ridiculously the school handled this, but more and more it seems he's just seeking attention at this point. Let the situation go and move on.
...and yet you still haven't apologized for your vitriolic reaction to people who came to that conclusion before you did. You unjustifiably attacked people who you agree with now.

Remember that next time.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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...and yet you still haven't apologized for your vitriolic reaction to people who came to that conclusion before you did. You unjustifiably attacked people who you agree with now.

Remember that next time.

At the start that was not actually determined. People were just jumping to conclusions. I like to wait till the actual facts come out before making any calls. But despite the fact that it turns out he just did it for attention the school still did not act right about it. He still deserves some kind of compensation, just not 15 freaking million.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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At the start that was not actually determined. People were just jumping to conclusions. I like to wait till the actual facts come out before making any calls. But despite the fact that it turns out he just did it for attention the school still did not act right about it. He still deserves some kind of compensation, just not 15 freaking million.

I think we FIRMLY established that the only side "jumping to conclusions" was yours. Every single bit of the information needed to determine that this was a fraud was there the moment the picture came out and there was every reason to be suspicious of their claims even before that.

Sorry, but an apology is in order.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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Oh! You're still doing it by the way. You are assuming that he "just did it for attention." Are you even considering that the family put him up to it for the shot at the millions they are asking for? I call that a "payday," not "attention."
 

Red Squirrel

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True now that this lawsuit came out it was probably more than just for attention, but for money. As much as I think he deserves an apology from the school, and some kind of compensation for what he was put through, 15 mil is just ridiculous and I hope he loses. Well, it's not so much him, it's the parents.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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True now that this lawsuit came out it was probably more than just for attention, but for money. As much as I think he deserves an apology from the school, and some kind of compensation for what he was put through, 15 mil is just ridiculous and I hope he loses. Well, it's not so much him, it's the parents.

You weren't expecting the lawsuit from the start? The payday has always been the suspected incentive for the fraud (not mere "attention"). The school most likely reacted exactly like the family wanted/planned/manipulated them to and he wasn't "put through" anything he wasn't counting on.

Does the person who purchased a human thumb on the black market to put in her Wendy's chili to sue Wendy's deserve an apology from Wendy's?
 
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Let it go to trial and sort out what happened. It is just how the justice system works for him to request an outlandish figure, so getting worked into a tizzy over that is just stupid. Even if he wins he won't get that much.

Regardless of his intentions, police detained and questioned him without legal representation. That is outright indefensible, and considering how regularly some of you have made a fuss about government oppression, I have no idea why you seem to think that is ok. It is entirely possible to take major issue with that, and also take issue with the kid and his parents' actions. But then it's pretty clear what the intentions of certain people have been. Both can be wrong here.

Red Squirrel, you should really learn to actually know what the hell you're talking about before you post. You are so regularly astoundingly wrong or just saying whatever hyperbolic shit you think without bothering to know.

Sorry CZroe and your twin, but what you've presented is hardly absolute fact, so stop pretending it is (and you've got to be fucking kidding demanding apologies considering some of the shit you two have pulled). I seem to recall you did the same bullshit over the Ferguson situation, acting like the evidence proved something absolutely and then brushed it off when shown that the expert claim that you were using to prop up your argument was disputed by the exact same expert. Weird how you dismissed that, but now its ok to post trash literally made up by blogs? Also odd is how you're making such a fuss about this kid being evasive when you dismissed outright lies with regards to Ferguson. That both of you have made a big deal about how the media are people and are flawed yet somehow you two act like you're not is straight bullshit. You two chastise others when you pick and choose facts almost as bad as anybody.
 

Ruptga

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That post above is ridiculous. They don't pick and choose almost as bad as anybody.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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Let it go to trial and sort out what happened. It is just how the justice system works for him to request an outlandish figure, so getting worked into a tizzy over that is just stupid. Even if he wins he won't get that much.
The school system has their hands tied and they are not legally allowed to release their evidence because of laws that protect student records and such. They are not allowed to discuss the exact reasons why he was detained including the exact words that he said to them unless the parents allow them to release it. They have strongly implied that if the family would allow them to share this information that they would be fully exonerated, but the family has not allowed it.



Regardless of his intentions, police detained and questioned him without legal representation. That is outright indefensible, and considering how regularly some of you have made a fuss about government oppression, I have no idea why you seem to think that is ok. It is entirely possible to take major issue with that, and also take issue with the kid and his parents' actions. But then it's pretty clear what the intentions of certain people have been. Both can be wrong here.
That is how the family wants to portray it. Authorities absolutely can detain someone and ask questions without legal representation. They can do it to you or me too. You don't have to answer and they don't have to provide legal representation unless they charge you. There are differences when dealing with a minor but they are still certainly allowed to ask questions and detain him. It's clear from the start that the parents intended to represent this as someone who was arrested unjustly and denied rights when we are not allowed to see their justification for detaining him and his rights were not denied (the parents were notified/called and conveniently never showed, sending the sister instead, etc). Are you seriously saying that an uncooperative individual carrying a device that very likely INTENDED to look like a bomb who intentionally answers vaguely or refuses to answer specific questions should not be held and questioned? I could easily carry my replica and answer in ways that would justifiably get me in the same situation.

What is this?
-I made it.
What it it?
-A clock.
Why did you put it in this case?
-It's a clock.
Did you want people to think it was a bomb?
-It's a clock.
Why did you bring it to school?
-I wanted to show my teacher.
Was it part of a school project?
-It's just a clock I made!
We know. We want to know why. Why did you break it apart and put it into this case?
-*silence*
Why did you set it to go off in class?
-It's a clock.
WHY did you break open a clock and put it into this pencil case to show your teacher?
...

Red Squirrel, you should really learn to actually know what the hell you're talking about before you post. You are so regularly astoundingly wrong or just saying whatever hyperbolic shit you think without bothering to know.



Sorry CZroe and your twin, but what you've presented is hardly absolute fact, so stop pretending it is (and you've got to be fucking kidding demanding apologies considering some of the shit you two have pulled).
It's ABSOLUTE FACT that it was clearly an off-the-shelf manufacturers clock and that was obvious from the moment that the picture came out. He FLIPPED HIS LID at the suggestion that this clock was not home made and attacked us personally with laughably misguided assumptions including:
It was better than we could do at his age (nope; we actually built real electronics)
We had more resources (nope; his family are millionaires while we were raised by a single jobless mother on welfare)
We were attacking this kid because we are hateful (nope; we started out just pointing out that he didn't build anything and that the media was mischaracterizing it until more evidence of a scam came to light)

There is NO EXCUSE for his ignorance here because he knows more about electronics than us and should have been able to tell at a glance just like we could. Instead he ignorantly ignored the PROOF that was right in front of his face and chose to continue claiming that the kid built it for far longer than it would take to actually read and understand why it was clearly a manufactured clock. Even that wasn't enough, he had to also continue attacking anyone who said otherwise and continue calling them racists and Islamophobes. NOTHING could dissuade him from assuming the most outrageous assumptions implied by their claims and the headlines until he read it from *other* sources and could no longer deny it. That is not intelligent discourse.

What? I don't have the authority to point out that:
The ribbon cables are solid-core and soldered with no headers (only makes sense in manufacturing)
The AC transformer is designed to be internal (again, only makes sense in manufacturing for economies of scale)
The remote button board would not exist without an enclosure to mount to (not to mention, actual buttons)
Even with a dual-power design (external/battery) a hobby/home-built clock would have a DC power source, unlike manufactured clocks that frequently have AC+9v battery
Anyone prototyping for mass manufacturing with the skill/understanding to engineer the clock AND an AC PSU would never allow a loose inductive power transformer in a metal box (simply too dangerous)
...and that's all IN ADDITION to the laughable interviews he was giving and the stuff he was showing them and the contradictions he kept making (breaking the lock and tying with wire makes it "less suspicious?!").

I seem to recall you did the same bullshit over the Ferguson situation, acting like the evidence proved something absolutely and then brushed it off when shown that the expert claim that you were using to prop up your argument was disputed by the exact same expert. Weird how you dismissed that, but now its ok to post trash literally made up by blogs?
Honestly, I have no Earthly idea what you are talking about. We called Ferguson from the day we became aware too and I am, once again, proud to have stood against the exact same kind of ignorance that was demonstrated in this thread. It was the same BS with people bandwagoning on baseless biased claims that the evidence ultimately proved wrong. We took the same position that you can't believe their ridiculous claims that fly in the face of reason and, once again, we were right.

Also odd is how you're making such a fuss about this kid being evasive when you dismissed outright lies with regards to Ferguson. That both of you have made a big deal about how the media are people and are flawed yet somehow you two act like you're not is straight bullshit. You two chastise others when you pick and choose facts almost as bad as anybody.

Still going with this? Here's another one for you: we called the Zimmerman vs. Appleguy (I still refuse to call him by his name) case too while everyone was jumping to conclusions.

Honestly, it would make more sense to attack me for saying that we should wait for evidence before rushing to condemn Cosby and Jared based on nothing more than claims... which was exactly my position on the Ahmed and Ferguson incidents. Strange, huh? People were calling for Jared's head before there was even an accusation against him (investigators were supposedly collecting evidence against his friend) and as soon as evidence came out with charges/accusations I was 100% on board with prosecuting him. I said all along that there's a good chance that Cosby is guilty but that all we have are claims for now. I didn't take a side and defend it without evidence. I never proclaimed that Cosby or Jared were innocent because I knew damned well that they may not be (and said so).
 
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edro

Lifer
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Cover their attorney fees and award $100k 529 plan and call it a day.
We are sick of this story.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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Cover their attorney fees and award $100k 529 plan and call it a day.

We are sick of this story.

I'm not. If they really did try to scam us, wouldn't you like to know/see it all blow up in their face?
 
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JM Aggie08

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"The lawsuit alleged that Mohamed, an African-American Muslim, was discriminated against based on his race and religion."

I don't remember where his father is from, but I don't recall ever hearing them referred to as "African."

Could have been Egypt, bro.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...acism-lawsuit-against-city-school-and-police/

“Clock boy” family loses racism lawsuit against city, school, and police

Of note:
The officers also had "arguable probable cause," justifying the use of reasonable force to make the arrest, the ruling said. It was alleged "that A.M. brought to school a device in a small box containing a circuit board, wires, and a timing display, repeatedly disobeyed a teacher who had told him to keep the device in his backpack, displayed and activated the device during class after being told to keep it in his backpack, and was less than forthcoming when he was questioned about the device," the ruling said.
 

DigDog

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Clock boy was a massive bait. I did fall for it for the first 5 minutes, and then read some reasonable observations (i.e. CZroe's post) and it was obvious that he either 1) is a massive idiot, or 2) he was baiting a lawsuit.
shame that not only social media took it hook, line and sinker, but even Obama gave him credit for "his interest in science".
 

JM Aggie08

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Is anyone else filled with seething hot rage when people, such as this kid, get undeserved attention/rewarded for their bullshit behavior? First off, the kid didn't invent shit -- he deconstructed a clock and put it in a briefcase. Second, from the start his/his family's claims of racism and the kid being treated unfairly were utter BS. BUT, in today's society where any indication of someone being mistreated, specifically if race is even mentioned (baseless or not), celebrities and other entities fire up the ol' circlejerk, and start handing shit out to these 'victims.' Jesus Christ, didn't he get offered an internship at NASA?

Let's not forget -- his 'invention' did look somewhat suspicious, and he was asked not to bring it in multiple times.

/rant.
 
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