Time for Immigration Reform?

Bitek

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Aug 2, 2001
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Latinos decided the election. Hard line anti-immigration policies cost Romney the election. Demographics will only get worse for GOP.

Obama will have to make a push. Will GOP concede to get in the good graces of Latinos?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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If the GOP wants to get back into the game they will need to work with the dems to get something passed.
 
Apr 27, 2012
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No more illegal immigrants, I am outraged that some hispanics are voting for obama since he will allow illegal immigrants in, they broke the law kick them out
 

chucky2

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We fought a war over slavery once in this country when far better men and Politicians on both sides existed. The American people are not going to tolerate their near slavery bitches called Illegal Invad, er, "Immigrants" being sent home or in any real way diminished. Mixed in with that you've got White Guilters, Bleeding Hearts, and DamnTheMans, pulling for every illegal that can possibly get here.

Politicians know this. The want to get elected/re-elected. Then factor in the increasing Latino vote coutesy of 30+ years of illegal invasion now producing tons of actual US citizens.

The shorter answer to this is: The only immigration "reform" will be to let even more in, and legalize the ones already wrongly here.

Laissez les bons temps rouler!!!

Chuck
 

Bitek

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Even Karl Rove is lamenting the loss in the Latinos. Party will be making a push to bring them in. Non of that is happening while you are threatening to card and deport them all the time.
 

ivwshane

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Even Karl Rove is lamenting the loss in the Latinos. Party will be making a push to bring them in. Non of that is happening while you are threatening to card and deport them all the time.

If we are lucky his wing of the party will be told to shut up and real republicans will finally start speaking up and we as a country will move forward. Is that likely to happen? Not based on history it won't.
 

chucky2

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That really depends on what you mean by 'move forward'. If it's Reagans 'move forward' with Amnesty 1.0, which just let them know to illegally invade more since we weren't going to do sh1t about them but give them jobs and hence money, then no, we really don't want to 'move forward'.
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Illegals... either we're going to have a civil war, or we're simply going to play half assed measures at insulting them until we finally FULLY embrace them. So why bother insulting them if you're not forcibly removing them?

There's no point in not welcoming your fellow Americans, because that's who they are. You're certainly not going to do a damn thing to change that.
 
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People need to stand up to these illegal immigrants, report them and help get them kicked out. They are one of the groups causing the demise of this country
 

Svnla

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Instead of getting more well educated and smart people for the next Google/Intel/PayPal/Yahoo/etc. (BTW, those companies are found or co found by LEGAL immigrants), we get more uneducated peasants with no skill. Very smart move there, NOT!!!

Barbarians at the gate, so true.
 
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Jaskalas

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People need to stand up to these illegal immigrants, report them and help get them kicked out. They are one of the groups causing the demise of this country

Who is going to kick them out? Go ahead and report them to Obama, he'll laugh in your face. Even better, what did Bush do about it the eight years he had? Nothing.

Whose going to do it!? Not Democrat, not Republican. Who did you vote for today? Part of the problem.
 

werepossum

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Doesn't really matter what the Republicans do, the left has won. By 2016 we'll have enough Latinos voting, legal or not, that either the Republicans eternally lose or they become just a second Democrat primary. Same policies, but you get two rounds of votes for who'll carry them out. I predict that 2016 is the year Texas goes blue, and after that there'll just be two parties competing to hand out the most loot.
 

davmat787

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One possible ray of light the Repubs might have is that many latinos are religious. I have heard that mentioned before, no idea how or if it will play out in reality.

As far as immigration, anyone else get frustrated that nowadays wanting to simply enforce existing laws and return to a sane, diverse, and orderly immigration policy is painted by many as anti-immigration? Or perhaps xenophobic? For awhile 'nativism' was the word du jour.

So sick of the disingenuous bullshit surround this issue, while both sides use the poor saps for political gain.

Does anyone think say Sweden or Denmark are racist xenophobic assholes for enforcing their immigration policies and not allowing people to freely cross their borders and setup shop? No?
 

Phokus

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Doesn't really matter what the Republicans do, the left has won. By 2016 we'll have enough Latinos voting, legal or not, that either the Republicans eternally lose or they become just a second Democrat primary. Same policies, but you get two rounds of votes for who'll carry them out. I predict that 2016 is the year Texas goes blue, and after that there'll just be two parties competing to hand out the most loot.

I'm going to laugh my ass off when racist white republicans lose their shit when Texas goes blue.
 

davmat787

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Doesn't really matter what the Republicans do, the left has won. By 2016 we'll have enough Latinos voting, legal or not, that either the Republicans eternally lose or they become just a second Democrat primary. Same policies, but you get two rounds of votes for who'll carry them out. I predict that 2016 is the year Texas goes blue, and after that there'll just be two parties competing to hand out the most loot.

What do you see happening to those who are turned off by the R's pandering to the religious right and social conservatism, but don't care for most of the Democrat platform either, say mainly due to being fiscal conservative? It seems like this is a growing demographic without a voice, could be wrong however.
 

werepossum

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What do you see happening to those who are turned off by the R's pandering to the religious right and social conservatism, but don't care for most of the Democrat platform either, say mainly due to being fiscal conservative? It seems like this is a growing demographic without a voice, could be wrong however.
I see them remaining a demographic without a voice for the foreseeable future. Neither the fiscally conservative nor the socially conservative parts of the Republican Party can be competitive alone, and each drives away some of the other. Democrats on the other hand promise something for everyone. What cares the person who wants others to pay for his health care if someone else is getting a free education or free day care or government subsidies for his solar telephone sterilizing company? We're importing (legally and illegally) more and more poor people who want "free" stuff, and we're creating with our outsourcing and welfare programs more and more poor people who want "free" stuff. It's a double whammy, and one for which the Republicans have no real answer. If the Republicans can't beat Obama they can't beat anyone on the left, so they have a choice, they can either choose to be a permanent minority party with increasingly less relevance and power, or they can choose to become the Democrats and promise more "free" stuff, or at least more efficient handing out of the "free" stuff. I predict the latter; I think they'll be more interested in holding office than in holding whatever principles they have. Essentially you can vote for the Democrat, or you can vote for the other Democrat. Fiscal conservation will mean nothing more than 75% of the country getting government checks rather than 76%, or 75% top brackets versus 90% top brackets.

The Pubbies had better choose quickly though, or the two parties will be Democrat and La Raza.
 

Svnla

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One possible ray of light the Repubs might have is that many latinos are religious. I have heard that mentioned before, no idea how or if it will play out in reality.

As far as immigration, anyone else get frustrated that nowadays wanting to simply enforce existing laws and return to a sane, diverse, and orderly immigration policy is painted by many as anti-immigration? Or perhaps xenophobic? For awhile 'nativism' was the word du jour.

So sick of the disingenuous bullshit surround this issue, while both sides use the poor saps for political gain.

Does anyone think say Sweden or Denmark are racist xenophobic assholes for enforcing their immigration policies and not allowing people to freely cross their borders and setup shop? No?

Not just Sweden or Denmark but any developed sovereign countries (I did check with Canada and Australia so far) would control their borders and enforce their immigration law.

I said this before and so far no one can give me the answer. Name one, just one, developed country that would let you sneak in ILLEGALLY/over stay your visa and then grant you LEGAL status.

There is no such country. Period.
 

Mursilis

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One possible ray of light the Repubs might have is that many latinos are religious. I have heard that mentioned before, no idea how or if it will play out in reality.

They're culturally religious, but that's not going to matter at the ballot box. I can't find any numbers from 2012 yet, but didn't Obama win the Catholic vote by a good margin in 2008?
 
Apr 27, 2012
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Who is going to kick them out? Go ahead and report them to Obama, he'll laugh in your face. Even better, what did Bush do about it the eight years he had? Nothing.

Whose going to do it!? Not Democrat, not Republican. Who did you vote for today? Part of the problem.

I voted for neither of those idiots. The system is corrupted but partisan idiots on here defend it. Ron Paul would fix the mess
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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They're culturally religious, but that's not going to matter at the ballot box. I can't find any numbers from 2012 yet, but didn't Obama win the Catholic vote by a good margin in 2008?

Yeah... religion? Pifft. They're going to be poor. We know who butters their bread.
 

Genx87

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They're culturally religious, but that's not going to matter at the ballot box. I can't find any numbers from 2012 yet, but didn't Obama win the Catholic vote by a good margin in 2008?

Most likely, Catholics vote democrat.

I thought Bush's plan was a good compromise. The idea we can forcibly remove 15 million people is laughable. Secondly we need to streamline the process to citizenship. Third we need to secure our own borders.
 
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