New reports seem like he is planning a sneak attack. First he wishes us a "Happy New Year" and promises not to use nukes unless he is attacked... then he sneak nukes us.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/31/asia/kim-jong-un-new-year-address-nuclear/index.html
The "Sneak Nuke" is one of the 8 Noble Paths to Nuclear annihilation.
I think he's mostly speaking about politicians/leaders of countries that will never see the war that they send millions of their people to die in.Each time we have a conflict my family always ends up fighting in them as do many poor families. I have a war time service ribbon..do you?.
I understand and its true that most leaders who send young people off to fight these wars have never served nor will their children ever serve. Commander in chief bone spur should look in the mirror before speaking badly about a service member.I think he's mostly speaking about politicians/leaders of countries that will never see the war that they send millions of their people to die in.
Not sure what you mean. I was obviously referring to us striking them pre-emptively. It's a bad idea no matter how we approach it. No way the high death toll could be confined to NK alone.
That can't stand or every despot in the world will...
If it comes to military action we'd have to deliver a knockout punch to their war machine. Each time they are able to achieve even more wmd's without any intervention it increases the likelihood of a more horrible situation downstream. When the time comes for them to launch a nuke on a population center what will you say? The longer you wait to stop them the higher the price will be for it.
Each time we have a conflict my family always ends up fighting in them as do many poor families. I have a war time service ribbon..do you?.
I think back to the first time we were there and how difficult it was to achieve set goals. The armistice that currently exists has lasted for over half a century because the north will not commit to a peace treaty.We are here now due to the constant ignoring this simple fact for so long on all sides of the political spectrum and all countries ( esp the UN ). This would have been much easier to have handled it decades ago.
There are no good options left. The best we could hope for is for China to take over NK. I seriously doubt they want to do that.
Thank you for your service sir. Having a campaign ribbon along with being compensable is worth a 15 point civil service advantage, however, I don't work for the government.Thanks for your service Puffnstuff!
From a fellow service member.
I didn't mean to sound like my comment was directed solely at you as it was a general question towards those who would oppose military action irrespective of factual evidence that they were about the commit an act of war against innocent peopleBy the way, my comment wasn't directed at you, I know you've served and I know some people who have served who think we should strike North Korea. My thinking is that North Korea is unlikely to launch a nuclear or chemical strike against the West unless they feel that they have no other options. If we attack them, they'll almost certainly shell Seoul if not worse.
People are thinking military solutions but I don't see any kind of solution at all. Diplomacy won't work because Kim wasn't interested before and he surely isn't now.
People are thinking military solutions but I don't see any kind of solution at all. Diplomacy won't work because Kim wasn't interested before and he surely isn't now. Kim wants absolute rule to the point where his country can't function economically. He also does not care about his people and they cannot, indeed will not, remove him.
Kim's MO is to "come to the table" with promises of stopping his nuclear program and the world gives him money which he uses for his own purposes including developing nuclear warheads.
Kim's personal lifestyle may be impacted as well as his conventional military so what can he do? "Come to the table" again with promises, but not of "I'll stop development" but "I'll not use them", and we have nuclear blackmail. That can't stand or every despot in the world will recognize that profits can be had and then what? What won't happen is extortion by the Mouse that Roared.
I didn't mean to sound like my comment was directed solely at you as it was a general question towards those who would oppose military action irrespective of factual evidence that they were about the commit an act of war against innocent people
We don't need a manufactured war with deliberately skewed evidence like with the first gulf war. If NK keeps making public threats and physical evidence supports that he's going to hurt people then we need to act to preserve life.
I think back to the first time we were there and how difficult it was to achieve set goals. The armistice that currently exists has lasted for over half a century because the north will not commit to a peace treaty.
Thank you for your service sir. Having a campaign ribbon along with being compensable is worth a 15 point civil service advantage, however, I don't work for the government.
What kind of physical evidence are you talking about? Physical evidence like he shoots a nuke at Japan?
Since when is "do not attack us" blackmail? Iraq and Libya have clearly shown the world that it's either WMD deterrent, or death.
North Korea already has nuclear weapons, let alone all the other !@#$ they can throw out. South Korea wouldn't exist. Russia and China might come to North Korea's aid. You think we can stand world war 3 more than the status quo?
I don't know. Now that he has a good pile of nukes he might think that negotiations of some sort can work. Anyone with half a brain knows going into the negotiations that he isn't going to give up his nukes so that isn't even on the table. Sure he loves to wag his dick around but so does our dear leader but maybe he really does want peace now that he thinks he is on some sort of equal ground with the west. Regardless, it sure as hell doesn't hurt to give it a shot.
There's no easy answer to solving this crisis as Russia and China will circumvent the sanctions.Past actions have been that Kim agrees to go off his nuke quest and in return gets financially rewarded. Now that he has them he is still going to want sanctions lifted and money sent to him. What can he do? Continue the blackmail but with nukes to back that up. Shall I put you down in favor of nuclear blackmail which would strongly motivate everyone to acquire them?
One thing that I think is quite sad is that the sanctions have already failed, he has upwards of 60 nukes already and that fact isn't going to change even if he stopped his nuclear program right now. In the meantime a metric shitton of innocent people are starving in large part, but by no means only, due to those sanctions. Obviously we can't just lift them and "reward" North Korea but they have been nothing but a failure.
I have always said, you want to fix North Korea then start air dropping millions of Iphones, TVs, Xboxs and stuff like that.
What does Kim have that anyone would want in trade? Pretty much nothing and Kim has no interest in anything other than Kim. What he wants is stuff and more stuff and that creates a precedent no one can afford.
There's no easy answer to solving this crisis as Russia and China will circumvent the sanctions.
They don't need starving refugees streaming across their borders.