Time is not infinite.

[LeiZaK]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Bv3
"when" the universe was created

When was that?

Edit: the whole idea of the beginning of time, whether you look at it from a religious or scientific perspective, makes my head hurt.

I think you answered your own question

 

[Bv3]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it.

Why?

It was created "when" the universe was created

Why?

and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies.

Why?

Time is a progression of events and change within space. When there is no universe, there are no events, and no change. There is no space and no time.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time is a progression of events and change within space.

Why?

For much of human civilization, numbers were defined as being greater than zero and with no maximum. Then, some brilliant mind defined the number zero. Later on, negative numbers were defined. Now we recognize numbers as being infinite - from fully negative, through zero, to fully positive.

Did numbers change over the years (Meaning did zero truely not exist until it was defined)? No, just the definition. You are currently using an archaic definition of time. Why cannot time exist before the beginning of the universe or after? Why can it not be a continuum with no limits in the postitive direction (from now) or negative direction (from now)?

 

[Monkey muppet]

Man created time to help him understand what he couldn't comprehend without it - therefore when mankind dies out, so will time

There is also no such thing as infinity - just lazyness

 

[ActuaryTm]

Originally posted by: mugs
When was that?

t=0?

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: TWills
^^^forgot to post in "Highly Technical" instead of "I'm just waisting brain cells tonight"

heh,
I forgot what the actual theory is called, but they proved because of neutrinos that the universe will not collapse onto itsellf. Its only a theory.

 

[Bv3]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time is a progression of events and change within space.

Why?

Well, I'm not very good at explaining my ideas about this but I'll try.

If you could freeze eveything in the universe right now that would be one moment. You could think of this as one possible universe-state. There might be infinite possible universe-states or maybe just a really large number. I don't know.

Within this one frozen-cross section of the universe where nothing is changing and nothing is occuring, no time is elapsing. Time is the sequential progression of these moments. Without a universe within which these moments can occur, there can be no time.

 

[Bv3]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time is a progression of events and change within space.

Why?

For much of human civilization, numbers were defined as being greater than zero and with no maximum. Then, some brilliant mind defined the number zero. Later on, negative numbers were defined. Now we recognize numbers as being infinite - from fully negative, through zero, to fully positive.

Did numbers change over the years (Meaning did zero truely not exist until it was defined)? No, just the definition. You are currently using an archaic definition of time. Why cannot time exist before the beginning of the universe or after? Why can it not be a continuum with no limits in the postitive direction (from now) or negative direction (from now)?

It's true that numbers didn't change, only our understanding of them. The difference is that numbers are only theory. In reality you can't have an infinite number of anything. There are finite limits to all real things within our universe. (Unless the universe is infinite which seems unlikely.)

 

[HumblePie]

Originally posted by: Bv3

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time is a progression of events and change within space.

Why?

Well, I'm not very good at explaining my ideas about this but I'll try.

If you could freeze eveything in the universe right now that would be one moment. You could think of this as one possible universe-state. There might be infinite possible universe-states or maybe just a really large number. I don't know.

Within this one frozen-cross section of the universe where nothing is changing and nothing is occuring, no time is elapsing. Time is the sequential progression of these moments. Without a universe within which these moments can occur, there can be no time.

Ahh, but that is the same argument people use when they use the line, "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?"

Your definition of time is that same thing, that YOU must have a perception of it or SOMETHING must have a perception of it (in this case the universe must have a perception) to make it real. Just because that is what you beleive doesn't make is so Scotty.

And then there are some wild theories of time. Such as there being no such thing as time and that EVERYTHING happens at the same moment but WE can only perceive stuff as if it happened linearly. There is just as much evidence for this version of time as there is for the current with one exception, our perception.

That is what a theory is, a guess based off perception or events that fit the current dilema and acts a working answer. It is by no means right, but it fits the facts we have. Usually there are multiple theories, like creation versus evolution, because NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE. Not to say one or the other is right or wrong, but it is still a theory.

Cool thing about good theories, is you can work with them usually. Like the theory of electricity. You know we can actually PROVE electricity exists right? Doesn't mean we don't use a force that acts exactly like what we defined electricity through math equations to be.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: The Pentium Guy
Posted this in 2 other threads tonight. But:

It's funny how these threads:
"Topic Title: Since the unverse is expanding, there is no such thing as infinity"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642777&enterthread=y
"Topic Title: Time is not infinite."
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642790&enterthread=y

Spewed from my original thread:
"Topic Title: The concept of Infinity.... no beginning nor no end"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1642760&enterthread=y

All are parodies of my thread. My thread is a parody of a thread talking about a parody of a parody OF a parody (no kidding)!
"Topic Title: Parody: Parody: Is Anandtech down?"
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=38&threadid=1642539

Heh. ATOT Pwns all.

Heh, yeah, that's how it gets started. Pretty soon, you have air popping out of air conditioners.

 

[Electric Amish]

Don't you mean "if" the universe collapses on itself and dies...

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
Don't you mean "if" the universe collapses on itself and dies...

Yeah, I'm gradually getting Bv3 to think about that too.

How does Bv3 know there was a beginning? How does he know there will be an end? How do we know the universe is finite? Suppose you believe in the big bang. What if there were 2, 3, 2^30, 999^9999, or even infitite separate big bangs? What if one big bang collapses on itself and bangs again?

 

[crystal]

What is time?

What do you call the period before the universe comes into being? Or is the universe always there? What do you call after it is gone? Since we know the universe is not static, we could guess there is a begin and an end. Since there is a begin & an end, then time has to exist before that for it to be a begin & an end.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Bv3

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.

I like the "therefore..." LOL

As if the first statement is quintessential truth. IT is just some astrophysicist, philosopher prick masturbating on paper.

You might as well say: "I like waffles...therefore, captian Spock is president of the USA."

Instead of hurling insults, please tell me your views on this subject.

You will note that I did not hurl a single insult. I laughed at your use of someone's wild conjecture as sole support of a tremendous claim which you stated as "an obvious consequence" of said wild conjecture (if it were, in fact, true).

I then stated my "view" that all this posturing, speculation, and conjecture by "scientists" ( I apply the term losely), such as the one you quoted, is just one big circle jerk...it is pure ego stroking, plain and simple. There is no possible way that this guy coud know what he conjecturing and there is no way to prove or disprove it.

There are real, fundamental scientific available today that need to be solved...and we have people just wasting time making wild speculations. Why don't they work on something pratical: cure cancer, design a better electron microscope, etc.

Theoretical astrophysics ranks right up there with scientology...

 

[Toasthead]

time was created by humans

 

[LeiZaK]

time is death, death is change, change is life, life is death, death is time

 

[Bv3]

Originally posted by: crystal

What is time?

What do you call the period before the universe comes into being? Or is the universe always there? What do you call after it is gone? Since we know the universe is not static, we could guess there is a begin and an end. Since there is a begin & an end, then time has to exist before that for it to be a begin & an end.

I don't think that there is a before, after, beginning, or end. Those things are all functionally related to time. You could say the universe has always existed because "always" is also a function of time. It has existed for as long as time has existed. However it's history is finite.

 

[Bv3]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Bv3

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Bv3
Time exists within the universe not separate from it. It was created "when" the universe was created and will cease to exist "when" the universe collapses in on itself and dies. Although not really "when" because there was no time. There is no true end or beginning to the universe because ends and beginnings require time.

Therefore, the Cosmological Argument is defunct. Every temporal event has a cause, but cause and effect only occurs within time. Outside of our universe and outside of time there is no before and so the origin of our universe requires no cause.

I like the "therefore..." LOL

As if the first statement is quintessential truth. IT is just some astrophysicist, philosopher prick masturbating on paper.

You might as well say: "I like waffles...therefore, captian Spock is president of the USA."

Instead of hurling insults, please tell me your views on this subject.

You will note that I did not hurl a single insult. I laughed at your use of someone's wild conjecture as sole support of a tremendous claim which you stated as "an obvious consequence" of said wild conjecture (if it were, in fact, true).

I then stated my "view" that all this posturing, speculation, and conjecture by "scientists" ( I apply the term losely), such as the one you quoted, is just one big circle jerk...it is pure ego stroking, plain and simple. There is no possible way that this guy coud know what he conjecturing and there is no way to prove or disprove it.

There are real, fundamental scientific available today that need to be solved...and we have people just wasting time making wild speculations. Why don't they work on something pratical: cure cancer, design a better electron microscope, etc.

Theoretical astrophysics ranks right up there with scientology...

I wrote the content of my post and you called me a prick. I took that as an insult, but if you meant it in a nice way then I apologize.

You are right that there are many other important scientific problems in the world. Unfortunately, I don't know how to cure cancer or design electron microscopes. I do know how to make wild speculations about unsolvable mysteries, and it's kind of fun to think about these things.

 

[Literati]

Time is not even a question of universe, it's a question of existence.

 

[BatmanNate]

I own a weedeater, therefore I am not gay!

 

[BigLouis]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
time was created by humans

I believed this, but how to you explain time dilation that has been proven in actual experiments?