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gothuevos

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Op Ed about trumps desire to kill. The type of conservatives that vote for Trump post on these very forums


Why are we acting like this is a new thing? Don't you remember all the "GEOTUS" and "American Caesar" memes from 2016?

Yes, a large enough portion of the electorate is ok with this that it's the way we're trending. About to get the govt we deserve, good and hard.
 

ch33zw1z

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Why are we acting like this is a new thing? Don't you remember all the "GEOTUS" and "American Caesar" memes from 2016?

Yes, a large enough portion of the electorate is ok with this that it's the way we're trending. About to get the govt we deserve, good and hard.

I'm not acting like it's a new thing. Trump was always this way, as long as he's been in the spotlight. My first dose was as a teen and his anger towards the central park 5:

 
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Moonbeam

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Why are we acting like this is a new thing? Don't you remember all the "GEOTUS" and "American Caesar" memes from 2016?

Yes, a large enough portion of the electorate is ok with this that it's the way we're trending. About to get the govt we deserve, good and hard.
So close. You and the rest of us afraid to know what we fear are creating the government we feel we deserve not the one we really deserve. You are not cursed, you are self afflicted.

People in the West have plenty of opportunities in their accumulated cultural wisdom to have had the opportunity to understand this.

“Cowards die many times before their deaths. The valiant never taste of death but once.”

“We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”

“Fuck Carter, there’s no miasma here. Vote for Mr. Optimism, Ronald Reagan. He will serve you beef. Just please please don’t tell me I’m sad because I’ll kill you.”
 

APU_Fusion

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You're joking, but this week's ruling makes the "can a President pardon themselves?" a moot point. There is no need to pardon someone that is immune.
I know. I was just joking. Can’t pardon a yourself when you are immune already. It is sad watching the collapse of America into a theocratic dictatorship.
 

MrSquished

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Jan 14, 2013
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If the North wasn't stupid and timid and punished the South properly, we might not be in this mess right now. They got to memorialize the Confederacy. Insane.

I feel the Democrats today have some similarities with the North from that war, not enough balls in areas that count, and too timid to rock the boat. We see that holding back the party not just today, but all over recent history.
 
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Muse

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Can't you just see this SCOTUS arguing over the legitimacy of Trump pardoning himself? Those 6 conservative injustices can't walk and chew gum at the same time.
You're joking, but this week's ruling makes the "can a President pardon themselves?" a moot point. There is no need to pardon someone that is immune.
They will find several reasons to do so.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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2 presidential prerogatives I am against:

1. Immunity

2. Pardons

The second one does seem kind of weird, I'd like to see a debate on this one.

Off the top of my head, in a sane society then presidential pardons are just plain wrong because they undermine the whole justice system. On the other hand, let's accept that society isn't entirely sane and that people go to jail for unjust reasons, the worst being political / bigotry related. A sane President can therefore help right a few wrongs. But then again, isn't that the job of the system to correct rather than some one-in-a-million wildcard option?
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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The second one does seem kind of weird, I'd like to see a debate on this one.

Off the top of my head, in a sane society then presidential pardons are just plain wrong because they undermine the whole justice system. On the other hand, let's accept that society isn't entirely sane and that people go to jail for unjust reasons, the worst being political / bigotry related. A sane President can therefore help right a few wrongs. But then again, isn't that the job of the system to correct rather than some one-in-a-million wildcard option?
I don’t have an issue with the pardon power, it’s limited to federal crimes so it isn’t even all powerful and many governors have similar power at the state level. The only restriction I would like to see explicitly implemented is that a president can’t pardon themselves.

The immunity decision is the one that is truly dangerous to this country.
 
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