Time to payoff car?

chimmytime

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I've got some $5800@4.9% left on my car loan. I've got about $8000@3.8% in my savings account.

I might also be changing jobs to a startup within the year that has a higher risk and reward factor.

Should i just go ahead and payoff the car now, so that i have one less bill to worry about, or save the money "just in case." I also don't have any other major expenses, but i would also like to save up for a down payment for a condo.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: hellman69
Pay it off and put the monthly pymt amount in your savings account.

Trevor
Pay off the car! You're LOSING MONEY on the interest on the loan!
 

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Lifer
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Don't pay off the car. Unless you want to live in it if and when the startup fails.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: toekramp
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: hellman69
Pay it off and put the monthly pymt amount in your savings account.

Trevor
Pay off the car! You're LOSING MONEY on the interest on the loan!


at 1.1% difference in interest, then Id say the $63.80 he would lose in a year is minimal compared to the risk of a new job and needing to carry a balance on a 12% rate CC

 

Penth

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Also, if your loan is like most, you will be paying less interest on your remaining balance than you make on your money in the bank.

I was just looking this up the other day. If I got an $8000 36-month auto loan and didn't have it paid off in 21 months, I would be better off keeping the remaining balance in the bank.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Penth
Also, if your loan is like most, you will be paying less interest on your remaining balance than you make on your money in the bank.

I was just looking this up the other day. If I got an $8000 36-month auto loan and didn't have it paid off in 21 months, I would be better off keeping the remaining balance in the bank.

Explain. $5800@4.9% > $5800@3.8%
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: chimmytime
I've got some $5800@4.9% left on my car loan.

Is $5800 the payoff amount or the amount left if you made monthly payments?

If that is the number for monthly payments, call and find the payoff amount.

I just found out that on my loan, if I go 19 more months and pay the set amount versus paying it off before the end of February, I'm only saving $48 or so. A spare $48 is great, but if I have to live like a poor person for the next couple of months just to pay it off now, I'm not going to do it. $48 dollars spread over 19 months isn't worth the risk of not having any backup funds if I think it's going to be tight.

I think there are same states where your insurance decreases when you own the car. If you live in one of these states, will that significantly add to the benefit of paying it off?

What constitutes "changing jobs within the year"? Are we talking a month or two away, or more towards the middle/end of summer? If you still have a few months to put some more in your savings, them by all means, pay it off and drink a beer to celebrate.

 

Injury

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Penth
Also, if your loan is like most, you will be paying less interest on your remaining balance than you make on your money in the bank.

I was just looking this up the other day. If I got an $8000 36-month auto loan and didn't have it paid off in 21 months, I would be better off keeping the remaining balance in the bank.

Explain. $5800@4.9% > $5800@3.8%

Because you pay the interest of the loan off first. By the time you get well over half way in your loan, you've already paid off the interest, you're just paying on the price tag of the car. At least that's what I've always been told.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Injury

Because you pay the interest of the loan off first. By the time you get well over half way in your loan, you've already paid off the interest, you're just paying on the price tag of the car.

Ummm... not unless they're using shady math. Interest accrues faster in the beginning because the principle is higher in the beginning, so more of your payment goes toward interest in the beginning. But this is $5800 vs. $5800. Same amount. 4.9% interest on $5800 is > 3.8% on $5800

His car is currently accruing ~$24 a month in interest. His savings account is earning him $18.85 on the payoff amount ($5800).

Pack a lunch one day instead of going out and call it even.
 

herrjimbo

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maybe i'm misunderstanding here, but, he's paying 4.9% on the car loan and he's earning 3.8% on his savings acct. wouldn't earning be better than paying? i personally would pay off the car loan and as hellman stated, put his monthly payment into his savings acct.
 

Engineer

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Pay off that bastard!

<---- Hates debt! :shocked: ...and paid off mortgage yesterday!
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: herrjimbo
maybe i'm misunderstanding here, but, he's paying 4.9% on the car loan and he's earning 3.8% on his savings acct. wouldn't earning be better than paying? i personally would pay off the car loan and as hellman stated, put his monthly payment into his savings acct.

I think he gets that, but it's more of a question of "should he do it and play the risk of having less money should something happen".

If that's the case, he needs to see exactly how much money he saves by paying it off now as opposed to paying it out in payments and guage whether that amount is worth the risk.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Make sure there is no penalty for paying off the car loan early. If there isn't, pay it off. If there is, keep it in savings.
 

chimmytime

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Originally posted by: Injury

Is $5800 the payoff amount or the amount left if you made monthly payments?

What constitutes "changing jobs within the year"? Are we talking a month or two away, or more towards the middle/end of summer? If you still have a few months to put some more in your savings, them by all means, pay it off and drink a beer to celebrate.

thanks all for your responses.

$5800 is my payoff amount.

The plan was originally for me to come on in june/july, but recently there has been increased business, and i've been asked to move up my starting date.
 

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Originally posted by: herrjimbo
maybe i'm misunderstanding here, but, he's paying 4.9% on the car loan and he's earning 3.8% on his savings acct. wouldn't earning be better than paying? i personally would pay off the car loan and as hellman stated, put his monthly payment into his savings acct.

You're misunderstanding something. If he wants to earn the 3.8% on his $5800, he can't pay off the loan, therefore he'll be paying the 4.9% too. If he pays off the car he wipes out that 4.9% but loses his 3.8% he's earning on that money. It's both or neither, not either. Generally you put your money wherever the rate is higher (in this case the 4.9%). But in this case the rates are close enough that the amount he's losing on interest is negligible, and with his upcoming lack of job security, I wouldn't want to deplete my savings.
 

geekender

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It depends on whether you are wanting to build your credit with the payment history. You can take the money and invest at 4.25 with the HSBC on the hot deals forums. Then at least the spread isn't so great.
 

Penth

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Injury

Because you pay the interest of the loan off first. By the time you get well over half way in your loan, you've already paid off the interest, you're just paying on the price tag of the car.

Ummm... not unless they're using shady math. Interest accrues faster in the beginning because the principle is higher in the beginning, so more of your payment goes toward interest in the beginning. But this is $5800 vs. $5800. Same amount. 4.9% interest on $5800 is > 3.8% on $5800

His car is currently accruing ~$24 a month in interest. His savings account is earning him $18.85 on the payoff amount ($5800).

Pack a lunch one day instead of going out and call it even.


Because with most loans you don't pay 4.9% of each monthly payment to interest. For example. The loan I looked up was 5.49%. 36 payments of 241.53. On the first months payment $36.60 goes to interest, or over 15%. After 28 payments, only $9.72 goes to interest, or 4% and it only goes down from there. So the last 9 months I would pay less interest for my loan than I would earn having the money in the bank. So it would be stupid of me to put out $2173 to pay off the loan 9 months early. It would actually cost me more and I would have less padding in my bank account.
 

CrimsonChaos

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Originally posted by: Penth
Because with most loans you don't pay 4.9% of each monthly payment to interest. For example. The loan I looked up was 5.49%. 36 payments of 241.53. On the first months payment $36.60 goes to interest, or over 15%. After 28 payments, only $9.72 goes to interest, or 4% and it only goes down from there. So the last 9 months I would pay less interest for my loan than I would earn having the money in the bank. So it would be stupid of me to put out $2173 to pay off the loan 9 months early. It would actually cost me more and I would have less padding in my bank account.

The interest rate does not refer to the amount of interest you pay per month. It refers to the annual rate you pay in relation to your current balance. If you have a 5.49% rate on your loan, this means you will pay 5.49% compounding interest per year-- it does NOT mean that 5.49% of your payment goes toward interest. So, since your loan is $8,000... the first payment you'd pay $8000 * 0.0549 / 12 (balance * interest / # of months in a year) in interest, which is where they get the $36.60 from.

So as stated earlier in this thread, yes it's true you pay more interest up front but only because the balance of the loan is higher. So if you have $2,173 left on your loan then you are still paying 5.49% interest on the balance. Therefore, if you have $2,173 in your bank account accruing 4% interest, you will still come out behind in the end if you keep it in savings rather than paying off the loan.

For example, given your scenario, you'd pay this off in 10 payments (the last payment is only a partial payment) -- this would pay off your $2,173 in full. Now, that same $2,173 in a 4% savings account would earn you $73.53 over those 10 months, plus you'd deposit about $191 from the remainder of the last partial payment. Your ending balance would be about $2,437 at the end of 10 months.

Had you withdrawn money from savings and paid for the loan in full, then began depositing that $241.53 each month into a 4% saving's account, you'd end up with about $2,451 at then end of 10 months. As you can see, you'd have $14 more dollars by paying off the loan first. Granted, that isn't a lot of money but you still come out ahead.


 

compuwiz1

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Keep the money invested and pay the car off over time. As you have discretionary money, you might add a bit of principal to your payment, but your interest rate is quite decent. Your savings interest rate is only a point off your car interest rate.
Do not lose the use of your cash on a depreciating asset!

If it were me, I'd pay that car off in a year, funds permitting. When you get to the end, you have a paid off car and all your money intact. Looks good to me.
 

malbojah

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Whats the rule of paying off a car loan?? Something about as soon as you do, something big on your car breaks needing $2k in repairs?
 
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