Time to start this: discussion of who should win the presidency in 2012

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Ausm

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
25,215
14
81
Huntsman is the sole GOP candidate that I can stand. I would actually consider voting for him over Obama, but he has no chance in the primary. Failing that, I will hold my nose and vote for Obama. I suppose there is a marginal chance he will be better in a second term, where he won't consider how every last thing he does will afffect his chance of re-election. I would support a progressive candidate in the primary, but it's irrelevant as Obama will be the nominee.

I agree with you Wolfee that Huntsman is the only good GOP candidate but he wouldn't make the grade because he is reasonable and not an extremist.
 
Aug 14, 2001
11,061
0
0
craig234 logic: Who cares about who wins a presidency in 2012. First, that's basically a year away and there are so many other problems that we have to address within that year. Second, some countries don't even have elections whatsoever. Think about that first. Third, there are some countries where they don't even have elections AND people are starving to death. That's even worse. It's amazing that you can talk about an election that is more than a year away when there are issues that this country needs to address tomorrow and there are other places in the world with even worse problems!
 

momeNt

Diamond Member
Jan 26, 2011
9,297
352
126
Agree, Krugman thinks we need to fake an alien attack to get the economy jump started. Craig is a fucking moron for having this buffoon as his hero.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/15/paul-krugman-fake-alien-invasion_n_926995.html

What if the alien attacks were real? NASA and Penn State believe that aliens could attack us to save the planet from us due to global warming. If this study wasn't laughed at we could be preparing for the alien invasion now. Financial crisis GONE in 18 months flat.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
But to repeat, I think it's Obama continuing as he has, versus disasters. I think it's important we re-elect Obama.

Not long ago I said you would do just this. The Democrats depend on Progressives as being Whores of Babylon in order to keep everyone else out. Don't feel bad because you are in good company. The fundamentalist Right is your counterpart and though they won't get to ban abortions nor change how evolution is taught they'll vote Republican.

You are both being used and wouldn't have it any other way.
 

Nintendesert

Diamond Member
Mar 28, 2010
7,761
5
0
Hillary Clinton should run against that limp-dicked Obama. She should have won the first go round.
 

boochi

Senior member
May 21, 2011
984
0
0
What if the alien attacks were real? NASA and Penn State believe that aliens could attack us to save the planet from us due to global warming. If this study wasn't laughed at we could be preparing for the alien invasion now. Financial crisis GONE in 18 months flat.

I think you missed your ship.

 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,894
47
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
Time to start this: discussion of who should win the presidency in 2012

The tea party faction (we really shouldn't call it a 'party', it's a faction of the Republican party de facto however much they protest that, no more a party than the progressive wing of Democrats) is actually mixed to review on this. They basically endorse a terrible pro-wealth ideology and were born from a Wall Street whine about the poor, get funding from the most corrupt right-wing sources and serve their interests (kill the EPA!), but they do have a strain opposed to corporate corruption, an independence.

They are utterly nuts, but that's not the issue here; their votes against TARP, their desire to not raise the debt ceiling, are terrible but not a corporate sellout position.

Clearly Obama has failed in every way possible and we need to elect a Republican to make things worse.

You have to hit rock bottom before having any chance of coming back up.

The country will hit the bottom under another Republican so have no choice but to make sure Obama is a one term President.
 

brxndxn

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2001
8,475
0
76
Another Ron Paul voter here.. Don't really care if Obama gets re-elected. At this point, it's Ron Paul vs Other Establishment Candidate.
 
Jun 27, 2005
19,251
1
61
While I have my complaints about Obama, all of them are based on facts. So I figure I should help you have your complaints be actually based on facts instead of stupid ranting nonsense that it seems to be.

http://lezgetreal.com/2011/08/fact-of-the-day-presidential-vacations/

You're welcome.

Wow... I think you missed my point completely. I'll dumb it down for you.

Obama is a black hole of leadership. He doesn't have an ounce of leadership in his body. The country of France has more initiative and leadership ability on the world stage than Obama does in the US.

A turtle on a post.

Even worse than a president with no ideas and no leadership is a rudderless congress with no ability to see (or care about - take your pick) the forest for the trees. Based on that, it doesn't matter who the president is (regardless of how much vacation time he has or hasn't racked up) until we get people in congress who are worth a shit.

Stop getting butthurt over the wrong things.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
349
126
Hillary Clinton should run against that limp-dicked Obama. She should have won the first go round.

I supported Obama over Hillary; she has a background of corporatism, former Wal-Mart board member, part of the Clinton pro-corporate de-regulation.

He ran against her from the left, taking progressive positions; IMO he misled the voters what he would do.

At this point, I'd give her a try - she has been a lot better at how to deal with the right. She was right about the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' stuff she was talking about.

She seems to have a better understanding what their agenda is and to appreciate how badly they behave. They shouldn't be able to 'hold every national need hostage'.

I wonder if she'll run in 2016.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
349
126
Not long ago I said you would do just this. The Democrats depend on Progressives as being Whores of Babylon in order to keep everyone else out. Don't feel bad because you are in good company. The fundamentalist Right is your counterpart and though they won't get to ban abortions nor change how evolution is taught they'll vote Republican.

You are both being used and wouldn't have it any other way.

Wrong.

Progressives are a minority of voters in the country. That's the problem. It makes sense to elect a candidate better than the far right. We don't need to repeat picking Nixon over Humphrey, Reagan over Carter, almost picking Bush over Gore. That simple strengthens the right to hold power, despite the backlashes against their bad governing.

The left makes sense to pick the better candidate over the far right. And we need to move more in the country to support a progressive.

And to fix the corruption of money in elections.

The fact Wall Street is one of the most destructive parts of our society, and that the people 'choose' the candidate Wall Street funds the most, is not a good thing.

A lot of what this 'right left', 'tea party against others' stuff does is to split the people's vote, canceling it out, instead of it unifying against Wall Street. The second you say 'here's a candidate who is for the people and against Wall Street', he's immediately assigned 'left-wing' or 'right-wing' and has half the country against him.

The lack of a point in your post is shown by the lack of what you are saying progressives should do. Vote for the corporatist Dem, vote for a Republican, nominate their own candidate, don't vote. Those seems the choices. At some point, progressives might need to refuse to vote for the corporatist Dem, to push the Dem to the left. But right now that would mean electing a disaster we can't afford to elect. If the Republicans would nominate a half-way decent candidate, it would be easier to do.

We've seen how this goes, such as with Bush getting the presidency in 2000 - repeating that with 'worse than Bush' Perry won't help.

Progressives are recruiting a primary nominee against Obama in 2012, and I plan to support the candidate, but not enough voters do.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
13,312
1
0
Anyone not towing a Red or Blue party line should be elected. Just to mix it up.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126

For someone who is always "wrong" I predict fairly well don't I? Yes I do.

I've stated my point before. You will always be an ineffectual minority if the parties can profit best by using you and gaining monetary support from those whom you say you don't like. Again you aren't unique but the current visible example. You could have been someone voting for Bush and the Republicans who hoped to ban abortion. All we need would be more of you in that party. What you don't seem to understand is that you aren't wanted. "More Progressives" is like more body lice to the people in charge who can and will defeat you at every turn. In the mean time while you are waiting for the day that never comes you vote for those people. Why? Like I said, you are saying that the Republicans are worse and since you hate them more than the people who use you, you will support them at all costs, even your soul. They don't even need to throw you a bone since you are stumping for them now.

The problem is that the system we use to give people the opportunity to run for office prevents "more Progressives". One might point out the theoretical possibility, but your party (and the Republicans to be fair) ARE a corporation for practical purposes. All you have to do is work hard enough and you'll be "promoted", and by the way there is an old bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

The consequences are that you will spend the rest of your life just where you are, arguing for those who are happy to get your vote, but don't bother them. They have funds to raise.
 
Last edited:

Carmen813

Diamond Member
May 18, 2007
3,189
0
76
The people who should win do not run for President. The way we select candidates and hold elections is, in my view, rather flawed.

/thread
 
May 11, 2008
20,055
1,290
126
Here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine_Capitalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_economy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic

Some of you immediately might think of China, but it is not please read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirigisme

When you grasp this, start emailing your favorite candidate with questions about these subjects. If they feel they want to speak personally with you about this : WIN !

If you get someone speaking on there behave : FAIL !
If they laugh it off : FAIL !
If they think you are crazy : FAIL !
If they call you a commie : FAIL !
 

a777pilot

Diamond Member
Apr 26, 2011
4,261
21
81
It's a long, long ways till 6 NOV 2012, but, if today my choices were obama or a "three day old popcorn fart", I would happily vote for the "three day old popcorn fart". It would be an improvement over the Fool we have now.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
50,879
4,266
126
It's a long, long ways till 6 NOV 2012, but, if today my choices were obama or a "three day old popcorn fart", I would happily vote for the "three day old popcorn fart". It would be an improvement over the Fool we have now.

You are in the same boat as Craig and the rest of us. You'll vote against Obama just as he'll vote against the Republicans. We rarely vote "for" anyone. As for me I haven't seen a reason to spend my gas money to go to vote. No matter who our choices are you can be sure they are party vetted and that means by, of, and for the party.
 

davmat787

Diamond Member
Nov 30, 2010
5,513
24
76
Wrong. *snipped rest*

But isn't that what you would expect a whore who gets used and abused to say? I agree with HayabusaRider here in regards to how the fringe elements are seen and used by both main parties.

"But he loves me when he hits me! It is for my own good!"
 

davmat787

Diamond Member
Nov 30, 2010
5,513
24
76
You are in the same boat as Craig and the rest of us. You'll vote against Obama just as he'll vote against the Republicans. We rarely vote "for" anyone. As for me I haven't seen a reason to spend my gas money to go to vote. No matter who our choices are you can be sure they are party vetted and that means by, of, and for the party.

It is like you are reading my mind or something.

Given how the end results of either party are so similiar, I am starting to wonder if the best solution is tremendous voter apathy. Just don't vote. Maybe if the Demoplublicans start realizing they have to start doing something different and unique from the status quo to get votes, we will see someone actually worthy of that gas to go vote.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |