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LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Citrix
Timeshares are a ripoff period.

Not really. There are several caveats.

1. Don't buy directly from the developer. Most "good" timeshare brands (Starwood, Marriott, Wyndham) can be found on Ebay for 35% of the price. Most recently I was in Maui and went to a Starwood presentation for a very nice resort. They pitched it at 60k. After we were done I went back to the hotel room and found the same point package at the same "home" resort for 20k.

Developer costs are ony about 35%. The remainder are comissions for the sales people and marketing with profits of ~10%.

2. Don't finance through the timeshare company. The lowest rates are typically 9.99%, if you can get a HELOC, or pay cash outright, it's a far better deal.

Typically, the people they "get" are people who buy on the spur, those who don't know the "full" story, or those who can't arrange cheaper financing.

3. Find a resort where you don't have to pay property taxes on your "fractional". This will save you a lot of money.

4. Buy with a company with many resorts, such as Marriott, Wyndham, Starwood, or Bluegreen. That way they have internal exchange points.

Overall, timeshares aren't horrible purchases, if done correctly. They get a bad name for people not being smart, but that's the same as any other item you purchase. It's certainly not for everybody (nor for me), especially if you like to travel around, like where there may not be an internal exchange.

However, for people who are smart it can be a great buy. Many of the new lines of timeshare a pretty damn nice, the Wyndham Presidential Club is *very* nice, far better than a hotel in many respects, and can be well worth the money. If you really like a destination and/or internal exchange program they can work reasonably well.
 

laketrout

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Well you can definitely come out on top with the timeshare companies, but you have to be a) a certain kind of traveler and b) and certain kind of financial strategist.

Royal Holiday resorts is supposed to have one of the best sales teams around, anyone heard of 'em? You can definitely come out on top with it, but I hear they have an exceptionally enticing sales strategy.

 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Question 1: You will get what you are promised
Question 2: it is not good. do not buy. think of timeshare salespersons as car salesmans on crack.

enter with both of your hands in a cast. do not sign anything. ANYTHING.

cliff notes: go in for the freebie. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. kill yourself before you sign anything.

I see you have attended one of these before haha
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Fmr12B
The ptich will be excellent - the sales people they have are highly skilled and do a very hard sell on you.

Others who have agreed will have champgen popping and celebrations while you sit there and keep saying no.

I wen't to a TrendWest one. The slideshows and video is gorgeous and the deal is pretty good. They break it down and it sounds great. They will hard sell on the financing and its a one time offer. Do realize these time-shares are bouhgt and sold on the open market and provided youo have cash and do not need thecreative financing you can be them for 40% lower than what the Sales people are offering them to you for.

Be patient and be very courteous, jst explain to them you are not an impulsive buyer and you need a few nights to sleep on it and you will gladly take all of their recomendations and brochures to consider it.

We own Worldmark(Trendwest) and we love it we bought it resale and have added on a couple of times. People that say that all Timeshares are a rip-off don't know what they don't know.

 

Scarpozzi

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Jun 13, 2000
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Timeshares are a tricky business. I bought one in Cancun 3 years ago....but what I bought was a 5 year membership that expires in 2010. I bought it so I could trade in my week for timeshare points...as a bonus, they gave me a crapload of extra timeshare points (3.5 times what it would be worth in 5 years) It's allowed me to travel 4 weeks for $800 total and get a round trip trans-continental plane ticket for $75. I've got about a third of my points left and can go back to cancun anytime I want....it was a great deal for a mere $2400.

Most US timeshares are deeded properties. If you purchase them, you have to pay yearly property taxes and maintenance fees. The problem is that by the time you pay all the fees, you're basically better off just renting timeshares from timeshare holders. It's important to know what networks they're affiliated with and how many yearly timeshare points you get. With RCI, you'll want at least 60-80k points to go anywhere cool.

The folks who really push the units are going to be either timeshare companies or the folks selling brand new units. Everyone else is just a reseller...those folks actually own the global units, so they may have more to offer you....kind of under the table. Never take their first offer.
 

Budmantom

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Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: laketrout
What did you do differently, Budman? I'd be interested to hear.

Most smart travelers make the most out of these deals... Then they share their memories (example): http://www.club.royal-holiday....ion=home.section&id=23

Part dumb luck and part research.

I feel we chose the right timeshare and buying resale at 1/2 the rate of original cost.

The benefit of our timeshare is it's not a fixed week, fixed size and we have 50+ resorts to choose from and no trading is involved. One of the other benefits is that it's relatively liquid, I have heard stories of people trying to give away their timeshare and not being successful but I have bought and sold this one (at a small profit) so liquidity is not a problem.

Timeshares are not for everyone but if you do your homework you should be fine.
 

laketrout

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Thanks for the info, Budman. Have you dealt with the RHC before by any chance?

This is one of the best examples of there being a smart way of purchasing a membership but there being way too many loud mouthed failures online.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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I think a lot of people are being duped into thinking a vacation package is a timeshare. Timeshares give one a deed and are guaranteed. Otherwise you are just buying 'futures' on hotel stays.

My parent's Marriott-hosted location I am heading to this next weekend. It's almost impossible to get time there, many owners buy additional weeks. They can trade to any other timeshare due to it's level and many there are successful in getting any other 'trade' they want. This is not always the case for some.

My parents got the deed for a steal, something like 1/4 of what any other had sold for in years. It was a matter of having a friend of a friend of a friend knowing they were looking.

My grandmother has two weeks down by the ocean too. So far the two properties next to her's sold out to a larger company that rebuilt them as mega-resorts and those that sold out made huge profits. The housing boom is over but that has now secured the value of her's.

In general the timeshares that have to have 'presentations' are usually the ones that aren't so in demand and usually in places where equal hotel bookings can be had for the same or less money.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: laketrout
Thanks for the info, Budman. Have you dealt with the RHC before by any chance?

This is one of the best examples of there being a smart way of purchasing a membership but there being way too many loud mouthed failures online.


I bought my last 2 from RPMI (Jeff Fudge).

Timeshares are not for everyone, that's for sure.
 

Budmantom

Lifer
Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
I think a lot of people are being duped into thinking a vacation package is a timeshare. Timeshares give one a deed and are guaranteed. Otherwise you are just buying 'futures' on hotel stays.
My parent's Marriott-hosted location I am heading to this next weekend. It's almost impossible to get time there, many owners buy additional weeks. They can trade to any other timeshare due to it's level and many there are successful in getting any other 'trade' they want. This is not always the case for some.

My parents got the deed for a steal, something like 1/4 of what any other had sold for in years. It was a matter of having a friend of a friend of a friend knowing they were looking.

My grandmother has two weeks down by the ocean too. So far the two properties next to her's sold out to a larger company that rebuilt them as mega-resorts and those that sold out made huge profits. The housing boom is over but that has now secured the value of her's.

In general the timeshares that have to have 'presentations' are usually the ones that aren't so in demand and usually in places where equal hotel bookings can be had for the same or less money.


I don't think that's true across the board, my timeshare is not deeded but the property is deeded back to my timeshare (if that makes any sense).

Marriott is top notch (we recently stayed in one in Newport, Ca.) but you lose something that makes it lose some value if you buy resale.
 
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By the way you can buy timeshares online for pennies on the dollar. My ex has one she is still paying on. Still owes like $6000. She can only hope to sell it online for maybe $500. And she is not alone. Tons of websites to buy peoples timeshares on.
 

TehMac

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Aug 18, 2006
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Question 1: You will get what you are promised
Question 2: it is not good. do not buy. think of timeshare salespersons as car salesmans on crack.

enter with both of your hands in a cast. do not sign anything. ANYTHING.

cliff notes: go in for the freebie. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. kill yourself before you sign anything.

I agree. I went to a timesharing program this weekend, and we could have easily signed into something, but we didn't. If you're intrigued by their sales WAIT.

Don't sign anything there, think it over. And don't forget pics of hot saleswoman.
 
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