Tire technical

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Peter
This I said too - I see how a tyre warranty works for actual manufacturing defects, but trying to claim a warranty case purely because of wear? Not going to work.
(And I don't want to experience the wet grip of such an 80,000-mile tyre EVER AGAIN, thank you very much.)

You're doing the right thing, buy a tyre that works for what and how you drive. When it's worn down IN A PERFECTLY NORMAL WAY, then it's because you used it up, not because it's been faulty. Why is it that these days, the bleeding obvious so often ends up as a court case?

Because if I pay for an 80,000 mile tire, it better last 80,000 miles. If I wanted a tire that was going to wear out after 40,000, I would have bought a 40,000 mile tire. Why is this so difficult?

 

[Peter]

Why is it so hard to get that it's absolutely feasible and quite easy to scrape that 80,000-mile tyre down to nothing in a matter of weeks - depending on your definition of normal use? It isn't defective, and it hasn't failed due to poor craftsmanship or design. You wore it down, used it up. It's a consumable. Its warranty warrants that it won't fail at any given time during its consumption.

When you've drank up your milk, you don't go back to the dairy shop to make a warranty claim "because the label said it'd be good until Friday, it's only Wednesday and it's empty already". Same thing.

 

[Steve]

My car just got four new tires on it. Can't remember if this is the second or third or whatever set, but my mother owned and drove it since '97, and I only started driving it on a regular basis (i.e. not summer only, but year-round) a little over a year ago. Even before then, I'd take it on the occasional long-distance trip, but nothing extreme.


It only has 83,000 miles on it.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Peter
Why is it so hard to get that it's absolutely feasible and quite easy to scrape that 80,000-mile tyre down to nothing in a matter of weeks - depending on your definition of normal use? It isn't defective, and it hasn't failed due to poor craftsmanship or design. You wore it down, used it up. It's a consumable. Its warranty warrants that it won't fail at any given time during its consumption.

When you've drank up your milk, you don't go back to the dairy shop to make a warranty claim "because the label said it'd be good until Friday, it's only Wednesday and it's empty already". Same thing.

Milk is consumed on the basis of volume, not time. The milk is sold as a gallon of milk. If I use it at a rate of one gallon per week and it runs out in less than a week, I got hosed. Similarly, if I bought a tire that is sold as being good for 80,000 miles and it runs out in less than the advertised time, then I'll want my money back. Why? Same reason as for the milk - I didn't get as much out of it as advertised. Now, if I spill my milk on the floor or burn out every time I start my car, then I no longer have a reasonable expectation of reimbursement for getting less out of my investment than was advertised.

You have some preconceived notion of tire wear warranties which is completely false. As you say, I can burn out my tires in one week or ten years and it's heavily dependent on how I drive. However, if I don't do anything extraordinary, then they should (even MUST) last as long as advertised or I will demand my money back. It's the same with any product: if used as directed, it must last up to the warranty or you will be giving me my money back, period.

 

[MysticLlama]

I can't even imagine 80k miles out of a $50 tire, for nearly any car.

I expect to get about 10-12k miles out of my rear tires, and about twice that out of the fronts.

Hard driving once every couple of weeks when out and about, but no spinning the tires or sliding.

No warranty that I recall, maybe 5k if at all.

Bridgestone Potenza Pole Position S-03s

$800ish per set.

Of course, 1000x better than the other "performance" tires that were on there before, not even close.

I need to get another car to commute around in so I can buy some 47k tires for $200.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
If I use it at a rate of one gallon per week and it runs out in less than a week, I got hosed.

Seems to me if you consumed at a 1Gal/wk rate, it would be used up in a week. To be used up in less time means you were consuming at a greater rate, at some point or all along.

Could you please explain?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: sm8000


Seems to me if you consumed at a 1Gal/wk rate, it would be used up in a week. To be used up in less time means you were consuming at a greater rate, at some point or all along.

Could you please explain?

It implies that the amount of milk sold to me was not one gallon - I didn't get what was advertised (assuming, of course, that my consumption rate is correct ).

 

[Steve]

I see, thank you for clarifying. Guess I kinda forgot that critical factor


Now, are you saying the tires are advertised to last 80,000 miles? Hope not.

 

[TTM77]

The tire is worn down by the mileage that it get use/driven on. The manufacture warranty 80,000 miles because they are sure that tire will not worn completely down until you reach 80,000 miles or more. The amount of material that make up that tire will last for 80,000 under normal condition (as in you don't burn rubber with your sup up car, just normal every day driving). And I am sure in some way they tested to make sure it lasts for 80,000 miles.

My Toyota camry is '96 and I already put over 160k miles on it. Work is 35-40 mins drive each way at about 70mph speed. Some of the maintenant I have done on it includes tires/surspension all 4/ breaks / antifreeze / coolan liquid / steering liquid / light bulbs (including headlights) / oil change / spark plugs / and other parts that I don't know the name for. I do keep this baby in good shape and check. The gas milleage is about 29mpg.

So it hurts when someone say I neglect my baby.

 

[Peter]

The tire is worn mostly by the number and intensity of acceleration and braking maneouvres. Just rolling along does practically nothing to its wear.

Tyre wear is not a linear function of mileage.

And I've never seen someone so stubbornly failing to see that. It's bleeding obvious.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Now, are you saying the tires are advertised to last 80,000 miles? Hope not.

Uh, they're called 80,000 mile tires for a reason - they're advertised to last 80,000 miles. When I buy tires, they are guaranteed for the mileage rating that they have. Else what is the point of the mileage rating?

Originally posted by: Peter
The tire is worn mostly by the number and intensity of acceleration and braking maneouvres. Just rolling along does practically nothing to its wear.

Tyre wear is not a linear function of mileage.

And I've never seen someone so stubbornly failing to see that. It's bleeding obvious.

No one is arguing that, strawman.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: sm8000
Now, are you saying the tires are advertised to last 80,000 miles? Hope not.

Uh, they're called 80,000 mile tires for a reason - they're advertised to last 80,000 miles. When I buy tires, they are guaranteed for the mileage rating that they have. Else what is the point of the mileage rating?

Exactly where in the fine print does it say words to the effect of "These tires will last 80,000 miles"?

 

[MysticLlama]

Look at it from a marketing point of view... not saying that this is true, but it's a possibility:

Market tires with an 80k mile warranty, completely expecting them to last an average of 50-60k miles.

The tires obviously don't go for 80k miles, so the customer brings them in at 60k inquiring about the warranty.

There choices are to take a new set of tires with a discount amount pro-rated to the warranty of the tire, so say 25% off, or to go elsewhere and buy a new set at full price.

It would effectively lock a bunch of people into buying tires from the same manufactuer or the same chain by giving them the equivalent of a good customer discount, or a sale price.

Not really a bad idea.

So if they don't to it like that already *patent pending* *patent pending* *patent pending*

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Exactly where in the fine print does it say words to the effect of "These tires will last 80,000 miles"?

Show me the warranty/receipt for 80,000 mile tires and I'll show you. I think the IQ of this forum just went through the floor courtesy of this thread alone. This isn't rocket science, here. You sell me a tire claiming that it will last 80,000 miles - it darn well better last 80,000 miles, barring something extraordinary.

 

[TTM77]

Why fight? Go read it for yourself.

Dumb people.

 

[Peter]

How about you provide a copy of the ACTUAL warranty, not just a link to an order form for it? I assume you got the actual terms of this warranty right there in front of you, given how strongly you word your rant?

Oh, and stay above waistline. This isn't kindergarden.

 

[TTM77]

Originally posted by: Peter
How about you provide a copy of the ACTUAL warranty, not just a link to an order form for it? I assume you got the actual terms of this warranty right there in front of you, given how strongly you word your rant?

Oh, and stay above waistline. This isn't kindergarden.

I was gonna introduce you to a search engine called Google, but that would be hitting below the belt so I'm not gonna say it. LOL This link talks about the milleage warranty of Michilen but it's about the same.

Anyway, I am sure before any company put any warranty on their product they already think of millions of way customer can take advantage of that warranty. You think they haven't thought of how their tires get abuse(by the customer) and cause the wear to precede it's time?

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Peter
How about you provide a copy of the ACTUAL warranty, not just a link to an order form for it? I assume you got the actual terms of this warranty right there in front of you, given how strongly you word your rant?

Oh, and stay above waistline. This isn't kindergarden.

dude, i used to think you were smart, but now you seem to have the intelligence of what i flushed down the toilet a few minutes ago. if you cant comprehend why we think you are a tool, then there is no use trying to explain it further. also, if you have to tell people to play nice, that just means you suck that much more. grow some skin and ignore them if it bothers you.

 

[Peter]

I've been working in retail for long enough to know which customers have a point and which ones are trying to make a big fuss to strongarm you into granting their pointless claims.

I'm still grinning ear to ear about how the people at Walmart instantly identified you as a member of category #2. This thread is just more proof about how right they were.

As for the "missing" warranty terms ... you're claiming that wear is covered, so it's up to you to bring the facts.

 

[Deepstrike]

Just curious, what's the make, model, and year of the car?

 

[TTM77]

I"m done with this thread. Was here to get different opinion and what ppl exeriences are.

I bought new tires, bought extra warranty for a couple more bux. Just wait for closer to winter time and give to my mechnique, he'll install them and check/do everything needed.