Tired of goofballs saying that conservatives hate America. Get a clue!

[EXman]

America where Healthcare is a right but your hard earned money isn't. It is the peoples money!

I hate YOUR VERSION of America damn straight!

Where personal responsibility is traded for lackluster expensive healthcare run like the post office. Where no one gets great healthcare because it is not fair so everyone gets marginal healthcare! WOO HOO! That is insentive to work hard! Where some asshole who sits at home and plays PS3 gets to get that marginal healthcare at your expense! Woo Hoo! Where my employer will pay a 40% tax on my HSA because it is called a cadillac plan. My HSA where I MYSELF reduce my own healthcare costs by paying cash and shopping for hotdeals on treatment. I actually get cash discounts. Not for Long! I have to give up saving money so that fat bastard on that PS3 can have marginal healthcare and not have to take care of himself, develop diabetes and then we'll all pay for his treatment! Oh great now I'm on the same plan too. Where I don't know any costs except the cost of my time wasted sitting in a lobby for marginal healthcare.

What makes America Great to a progressive Lib? Everything being fair! with an exemption for Unions because they vote Democrat. Fining people who don't pay into healthcare. Taking money away from the healthy to pay for people in poor health. That sounds fair right? Mandated healthcare or a Fine! Sounds like Liberty to me! You Betcha!

No what makes America great is that if you work hard you can make yourself successful. You all want to tax people all to hell. What makes the government know better what to do with your money than you do? What Happens when people and business cannot afford your taxes? There goes your tax dollars! Workers will not work as hard. Even Doctors under the healthcare plan purposed they can make up to only so much money so when they are done with that vacation the rest of the year and wait till next year when they can get paid for working.

Say goodbye to innovation! Should we be no longer rewarded in the market if we build a better widget? If it has taken thousands or millions of dollars to develop that widget but then the government says sorry you cannot make that much why bother trying to innovate? With a centeralized Government do we get to really keep what is ours? What if the government wants it? There is no more GM or Chrysler as we have known it.

Banks are told not reward anyone. Not even the sucessful honest hard working people. Everyone is bad. There goes all the talent. Anyone with a brain that was left will find a new place to work as their compensation is capped by a beaurcrat that could barely get a job in the mail room. Sure there are bad guys in each industry and they do not deserve gloden parachutes. I think they should get 2 weeks money and send them packing if they were stealing or frauding the company they should be prosecuted as well. But Branding all people in specific industries as bad and then taking over their companies and running them is not a recipe for long term success in America.

The government feels more and more entitled to our money. That is a problem. This is a limited Government for the people and not vice-versa. I do not support your utopian dream of a broke but fair America. Freedom isn't free. And Liberty is a punchline and not a right anymore. What has happened to Liberty? Why is pursuing it wrong now? Can we only have Life now?



<puts on flamsuit>

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Don't pay attention to dave and other fringe nuts here.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Yeah, America would be great if it wasn't for all those less fortunates bringing us top five percenters down.

 

[HeXen]

Wow, you care way too much. Drink a few beers and chillax.

 

[CPA]

Yeah, America would be great if it wasn't for all those less fortunates bringing us top five percenters down.

I know saying less fortunate makes people feel guilty and good inside at the same time, but why don't you ask why someone is "less fortunate" or if that's even the right word to use.

 

[Ronstang]

They can hate Conservatives all they want. I guess it really bugs them that Conservatives built this great nation and without them there wouldn't be that many jobs or much of a tax base to steal money from to pay for all the things on their wish list.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I know saying less fortunate makes people feel guilty and good inside at the same time, but why don't you ask why someone is "less fortunate" or if that's even the right word to use.

Are you implying that "less fortunate" is just a euphemism for "lazy and poor?" And that all those, or a majority of those, beneath a certain level of wealth are there because they are lazy? Or that being poor so awesome that poorness itself isn't enough motivation to work harder? And that working harder is all it takes to go from poor to not poor?

[conservative rage] If those damn welfare mamas would just get a damn job and quit having crack babies I wouldn't have to pay for their health care and I could buy another boat. [/conservative rage]

 

[Hacp]

Less fortunate=Lazy

 

[sandorski]

Perhaps it would make you feel better if they said you hated Americans?

What we got here is, failure to communicate. What to you, specifically, is "America"? For most on the Left or Left of your position, it is the People.

You are part of the People, but it seems that your position is that You want to be all the People and to hell with anyone else.

 

[Lemon law]

The flaw in the EXman argument is that he talks all about EXman, EXman, and Exman. When the problem is and remains, we must talk about a health care system that delivers the greatest good for the greatest numbers.

Exman may be lucky to have an employer with a great health care plan, but as our existing employer based health care system breaks down, more and more employers are opting out or bankrupting themselves. And as more and more employers opt out, all the costs get passed on to the few remaining employers who still offer a plan.

Health care costs have been growing at double digit rates for decades, and if we do not reform our existing system, it will bite everyone. Including EXman in the fullness of time.

 

[Hacp]

The flaw in the EXman argument is that he talks all about EXman, EXman, and Exman. When the problem is and remains, we must talk about a health care system that delivers the greatest good for the greatest numbers.

Exman may be lucky to have an employer with a great health care plan, but as our existing employer based health care system breaks down, more and more employers are opting out or bankrupting themselves. And as more and more employers opt out, all the costs get passed on to the few remaining employers who still offer a plan.

Thats code for taking from the hard working to give to the lazy. Obama keeps mentioning health care for all. NO! We don't want health care for all. We want health care for those who can afford health care.

Health care costs have been growing at double digit rates for decades, and if we do not reform our existing system,

That is a different problem. Why do you liberals always combine these two different problems into one? You can lower costs WITHOUT providing free health care to the lazy.

 

[Bowfinger]

Less fortunate=Lazy

True, in the same sense that conservative=greedy, self-absorbed hick.

In both cases, the stereotype applies in some cases and is completely off the mark in others. It does, however, avoid the need to actually have a clue about what one is talking about. Just attack the stereotype and lean back smugly satisfied you understand.

 

[sandorski]

Thats code for taking from the hard working to give to the lazy. Obama keeps mentioning health care for all. NO! We don't want health care for all. We want health care for those who can afford health care.

The secret to being a good Troll is to not be so blatant about it. Otherwise people just start tuning you out.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Thats code for taking from the hard working to give to the lazy. Obama keeps mentioning health care for all. NO! We don't want health care for all. We want health care for those who can afford health care.

What a lot of you "conservatives" don't understand is that, as time marches on with things as they are, that group that can afford health care is less and less likely to include YOU.

 

[Hacp]

The secret to being a good Troll is to not be so blatant about it. Otherwise people just start tuning you out.

Don't you live in Canada? Why don't you go back to talking about Canadian politics.

 

[Vic]

Don't pay attention to dave and other fringe nuts here.

This

 

[dmcowen674]

I hate YOUR VERSION of America damn straight!

What makes America Great to a progressive Lib? Everything being fair!

Say goodbye to innovation! Should we be no longer rewarded in the market if we build a better widget?

Banks are told not reward anyone. Not even the sucessful honest hard working people. Everyone is bad. There goes all the talent. Anyone with a brain that was left will find a new place to work as their compensation is capped by a beaurcrat that could barely get a job in the mail room.

Sure there are bad guys in each industry and they do not deserve gloden parachutes. I think they should get 2 weeks money and send them packing if they were stealing or frauding the company they should be prosecuted as well. But Branding all people in specific industries as bad and then taking over their companies and running them is not a recipe for long term success in America.

The government feels more and more entitled to our money. That is a problem. This is a limited Government for the people and not vice-versa. I do not support your utopian dream of a broke but fair America. Freedom isn't free. And Liberty is a punchline and not a right anymore. What has happened to Liberty? Why is pursuing it wrong now? Can we only have Life now?

I have great news for you and your buds that feel this way.

Since this is America, you are free to leave to forth and find the Utopia you are looking for.

If this was China or North Korea, you would not be able to leave.

So please go forth and best of luck with whatever country you find that doesn't have Liberals that love America.

 

[spidey07]

What a lot of you "conservatives" don't understand is that, as time marches on with things as they are, that group that can afford health care is less and less likely to include YOU.

That's totally not true. I work, I have a job, I will always have a job because I'm motivated to work. With this job comes money, and I can always find people that want to sell me health insurance.

If I don't work, I don't have money and can't eat, shelter, transportation or buy health insurance. See how that works? Without those even the most lazy of lazy will get motivated to work.

 

[Ronstang]

True, in the same sense that conservative=greedy, self-absorbed hick.

Who is the greedy self-absorbed one? He who educates himself and works hard his whole life to provide for his family all the while making sacrifices to save for his future retirement and the needs of his children.......or the one who sits on his ass expecting the aforementioned to pay for all of his shortcomings through the force of government?

 

[sandorski]

Don't you live in Canada? Why don't you go back to talking about Canadian politics.

Why don't you talk about Politics at all? Not this crap you spew, but actual Discussion about issues?

 

[sandorski]

Who is the greedy self-absorbed one? He who educates himself and works hard his whole life to provide for his family all the while making sacrifices to save for his future retirement and the needs of his children.......or the one who sits on his ass expecting the aforementioned to pay for all of his shortcomings through the force of government?

Most of the Uninsured are Working People.

 

[Carmen813]

America where Healthcare is a right but your hard earned money isn't. It is the peoples money!

I hate YOUR VERSION of America damn straight!

Where personal responsibility is traded for lackluster expensive healthcare run like the post office. Where no one gets great healthcare because it is not fair so everyone gets marginal healthcare! WOO HOO! That is insentive to work hard! Where some asshole who sits at home and plays PS3 gets to get that marginal healthcare at your expense! Woo Hoo! Where my employer will pay a 40&#37; tax on my HSA because it is called a cadillac plan. My HSA where I MYSELF reduce my own healthcare costs by paying cash and shopping for hotdeals on treatment. I actually get cash discounts. Not for Long! I have to give up saving money so that fat bastard on that PS3 can have marginal healthcare and not have to take care of himself, develop diabetes and then we'll all pay for his treatment! Oh great now I'm on the same plan too. Where I don't know any costs except the cost of my time wasted sitting in a lobby for marginal healthcare.

What makes America Great to a progressive Lib? Everything being fair! with an exemption for Unions because they vote Democrat. Fining people who don't pay into healthcare. Taking money away from the healthy to pay for people in poor health. That sounds fair right? Mandated healthcare or a Fine! Sounds like Liberty to me! You Betcha!

No what makes America great is that if you work hard you can make yourself successful. You all want to tax people all to hell. What makes the government know better what to do with your money than you do? What Happens when people and business cannot afford your taxes? There goes your tax dollars! Workers will not work as hard. Even Doctors under the healthcare plan purposed they can make up to only so much money so when they are done with that vacation the rest of the year and wait till next year when they can get paid for working.

Say goodbye to innovation! Should we be no longer rewarded in the market if we build a better widget? If it has taken thousands or millions of dollars to develop that widget but then the government says sorry you cannot make that much why bother trying to innovate? With a centeralized Government do we get to really keep what is ours? What if the government wants it? There is no more GM or Chrysler as we have known it.

Banks are told not reward anyone. Not even the sucessful honest hard working people. Everyone is bad. There goes all the talent. Anyone with a brain that was left will find a new place to work as their compensation is capped by a beaurcrat that could barely get a job in the mail room. Sure there are bad guys in each industry and they do not deserve gloden parachutes. I think they should get 2 weeks money and send them packing if they were stealing or frauding the company they should be prosecuted as well. But Branding all people in specific industries as bad and then taking over their companies and running them is not a recipe for long term success in America.

The government feels more and more entitled to our money. That is a problem. This is a limited Government for the people and not vice-versa. I do not support your utopian dream of a broke but fair America. Freedom isn't free. And Liberty is a punchline and not a right anymore. What has happened to Liberty? Why is pursuing it wrong now? Can we only have Life now?



<puts on flamsuit>

You sound extremely naive about how health insurance works. The healthy have always paid for the sick. One man's oppression is another man's liberty. The elimination of pre-existing conditions and state or national exchanges would greatly expand my liberty.

I've also been on your poor mans lazy health care (i.e., Medicaid) until...well, five hours from now when it expires. Guess what, I never stopped working or looking for work. Guess your straw man just collapsed on itself.

 

[Hacp]

What makes America Great to a progressive Lib? Everything being fair! with an exemption for Unions because they vote Democrat. Fining people who don't pay into healthcare. Taking money away from the healthy to pay for people in poor health. That sounds fair right? Mandated healthcare or a Fine! Sounds like Liberty to me! You Betcha!

<puts on flamsuit>

Liberals want everything to be equal. Fairness implies fairness. The hard worker gets more money than the lazy. Equality implies the same thing for everyone.

 

[spidey07]

Liberals want everything to be equal. Fairness implies fairness. The hard worker gets more money than the lazy. Equality implies the same thing for everyone.

This defines conservatives vs. liberals.

Conservatives want equal opportunity
Liberals want equal outcome

 

[sandorski]

This defines conservatives vs. liberals.

Conservatives want equal opportunity
Liberals want equal outcome

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