Originally posted by: MrPickins
It's derogatory because it paints all hispanics as illegal immigrants.
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
but it wasn't intended or used as a racial slur. they're talking about your backing getting wet from sweating because you have no AC!! wtf?
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: buck
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
Almost forgot it's ok to offend Hispanics on AT.
How is this offensive to hispanics? If anything, it's offensive to backs.
I guess you wouldn't understand if you're not Hispanic.
are you Hispanic? if so, enlighten us as to why it's offensive.
Yeah I am.
Wet back refers to people who migrated from Mexico to the US via the Rio Grande. Anyways the term started to be used to identify all Mexicans by white americans (even to those that came here legally). You'll only really here this in the South western states. But like MrPickins said, Wet Back = beloved patriot/N*word/FOB/etc.
I don't see how that word can be compared to beloved patriot/N*bomb. So these people had to swim so their backs got wet. I'm not being cynical here. I just think people LOOK to get offended far too often.
How about the word beloved patriot. Do you want to tackle that one? Do you call white people Gringos from time to time?
beloved patriot is not a derogatory term for white people. It was merely a word for Hispanics to refer to white people without white people knowing they were being referred to. Here look at some of the history behind the word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/beloved patriot.
Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Defenders of this ad, your arguments are combinations of (faked?) ignorance, and BS.
Would you similarly defend someone selling car wax who used the phrase "Tired of Those Dull Blacks in your Neighborhood?" in a print ad, and went on to explain why their car wax was the best choice to shine-up a black car?
Don't you think it could be worded much, much differently, without the dual connotation? Wouldn't you think it should?
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
but it wasn't intended or used as a racial slur. they're talking about your backing getting wet from sweating because you have no AC!! wtf?
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
but it wasn't intended or used as a racial slur. they're talking about your backing getting wet from sweating because you have no AC!! wtf?
I'm sorry, but you guys are going that "I'm oblivious to everything around me" "Head in the clouds" "Why should anyone take offense to anything" crap again.
The term used in that ad had two meanings (no matter how it was INTENDED to be directed). One was about the A/C and the other (when taken in context of this being in Texas) makes for a very offensive ad. PERIOD.
ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOT PRINT THAT SHIT.
I'm really find it hard to believe that SO MANY of you don't see the issue here. It's almost astounding when it's staring you right in the face.
**Stepping into REALLY rocky territory here**
If I were to run a newspaper ad that said:
"After a roll in the hay, why not smoke a i love you, then throw it out back."
If it were printed in England, people might not bat an eye. Print that in America and your ass is TOAST!
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
but it wasn't intended or used as a racial slur. they're talking about your backing getting wet from sweating because you have no AC!! wtf?
I'm sorry, but you guys are going that "I'm oblivious to everything around me" "Head in the clouds" "Why should anyone take offense to anything" crap again.
The term used in that ad had two meanings (no matter how it was INTENDED to be directed). One was about the A/C and the other (when taken in context of this being in Texas) makes for a very offensive ad. PERIOD.
ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOT PRINT THAT SHIT.
I'm really find it hard to believe that SO MANY of you don't see the issue here. It's almost astounding when it's staring you right in the face.
**Stepping into REALLY rocky territory here**
If I were to run a newspaper ad that said:
"After a roll in the hay, why not smoke a i love you, then throw it out back."
If it were printed in England, people might not bat an eye. Print that in America and your ass is TOAST!
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
but it wasn't intended or used as a racial slur. they're talking about your backing getting wet from sweating because you have no AC!! wtf?
I'm sorry, but you guys are going that "I'm oblivious to everything around me" "Head in the clouds" "Why should anyone take offense to anything" crap again.
The term used in that ad had two meanings (no matter how it was INTENDED to be directed). One was about the A/C and the other (when taken in context of this being in Texas) makes for a very offensive ad. PERIOD.
ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOT PRINT THAT SHIT.
I'm really find it hard to believe that SO MANY of you don't see the issue here. It's almost astounding when it's staring you right in the face.
**Stepping into REALLY rocky territory here**
If I were to run a newspaper ad that said:
"After a roll in the hay, why not smoke a i love you, then throw it out back."
If it were printed in England, people might not bat an eye. Print that in America and your ass is TOAST!
um...you're an idiot...
no one would even think to make an ad like that in America, not because it's "offensive", but because we don't use the fucking word i love you over here for a cigarette! how can you not understand that?
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Darthvoy
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
This is fucking ridiculous.
Edit: The 'public outcry,' not the headline.
you obviously don't know how offensive that word to Hispanics is. I would like calling a black person a n****r.
but it wasn't intended or used as a racial slur. they're talking about your backing getting wet from sweating because you have no AC!! wtf?
I'm sorry, but you guys are going that "I'm oblivious to everything around me" "Head in the clouds" "Why should anyone take offense to anything" crap again.
The term used in that ad had two meanings (no matter how it was INTENDED to be directed). One was about the A/C and the other (when taken in context of this being in Texas) makes for a very offensive ad. PERIOD.
ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AND NOT PRINT THAT SHIT.
I'm really find it hard to believe that SO MANY of you don't see the issue here. It's almost astounding when it's staring you right in the face.
**Stepping into REALLY rocky territory here**
If I were to run a newspaper ad that said:
"After a roll in the hay, why not smoke a i love you, then throw it out back."
If it were printed in England, people might not bat an eye. Print that in America and your ass is TOAST!
um...you're an idiot...
no one would even think to make an ad like that in America, not because it's "offensive", but because we don't use the fucking word i love you over here for a cigarette! how can you not understand that?
And no one in their right mind would use the term Wet Back in Texas and use it in advertising and send it to Hispanic organization and not expect someone to take issue.
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Defenders of this ad, your arguments are combinations of (faked?) ignorance, and BS.
Would you similarly defend someone selling car wax who used the phrase "Tired of Those Dull Blacks in your Neighborhood?" in a print ad, and went on to explain why their car wax was the best choice to shine-up a black car?
Don't you think it could be worded much, much differently, without the dual connotation? Wouldn't you think it should?
cars come in more colors than black, so that ad wouldn't be used.
Originally posted by: pontifex
so it would be ok to use in, say, Montana?
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: HammerCurl
I like how there's 4 question marks at the end of backs. And "Wet Backs" is capitalized in the ad. No way it was going to be a sent out advertisement. Someone was probably f'in around and hit send on accident from the joking advertisement.
Bullshit. The ad is for air conditioned seats. Without the air conditioned seats, in hot weather, what would your back tend to do? Sweat? Would that cause it to get wet? And what would you call a back that was wet?
Wet Backs is capitalized because it is in a fucking headline.
I think it's naive to think it was accidental. Sounds like a pretty lame attempt at a joke. If it wasn't intended to have a double meaning, the word "the" wouldn't be in there.
Originally posted by: nace186
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: HammerCurl
I like how there's 4 question marks at the end of backs. And "Wet Backs" is capitalized in the ad. No way it was going to be a sent out advertisement. Someone was probably f'in around and hit send on accident from the joking advertisement.
Bullshit. The ad is for air conditioned seats. Without the air conditioned seats, in hot weather, what would your back tend to do? Sweat? Would that cause it to get wet? And what would you call a back that was wet?
Wet Backs is capitalized because it is in a fucking headline.
I think it's naive to think it was accidental. Sounds like a pretty lame attempt at a joke. If it wasn't intended to have a double meaning, the word "the" wouldn't be in there.
No it's not naive. First of all, I never heard of the term wet back as being bad, so when I first read the ads, I thought it meant: are you tired of all the wet backs you've been having since your car doesn't have ac?
Originally posted by: nace186
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: HammerCurl
I like how there's 4 question marks at the end of backs. And "Wet Backs" is capitalized in the ad. No way it was going to be a sent out advertisement. Someone was probably f'in around and hit send on accident from the joking advertisement.
Bullshit. The ad is for air conditioned seats. Without the air conditioned seats, in hot weather, what would your back tend to do? Sweat? Would that cause it to get wet? And what would you call a back that was wet?
Wet Backs is capitalized because it is in a fucking headline.
I think it's naive to think it was accidental. Sounds like a pretty lame attempt at a joke. If it wasn't intended to have a double meaning, the word "the" wouldn't be in there.
No it's not naive. First of all, I never heard of the term wet back as being bad, so when I first read the ads, I thought it meant: are you tired of all the wet backs you've been having since your car doesn't have ac?
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
So beautiful ray of sunshine is a derogatory term for all Hispanics. The derogatory nature of the term is the implication that all Hispanics have wet backs (i.e. swam across a river to get to the U.S.). If you are a Hispanic who did not swim across a river to get to the U.S., tell me how this is offensive to you?
MotionMan
Because people now use it as a derogatory term for all hispanics even if it didn't originally include all hispanics. Do you think a black person shouldn't be offended by being called a porch monkey just because they've never sat on a porch?
But what is "derogatory" about it? Is it just because we have all agreed that it is a bad word?
MotionMan
It's usage is historically derogative. Like all derogative terms, it's all about the context that it's used. The word bitch by itself is fine if describing a dog but when applied to people it takes on a whole new meaning. beautiful ray of sunshine, the terminology, may not have an inherent negative interpretation but the context of its use is what has deemed it a negative term.
I should add that with derogatory terms, it's obvious that it's not the word that is causing the harm but the intent of the person behind the words. You can argue that people grow thicker skin and some people probably should, but you cannot conclude that because you believe people should have thicker skin that all people need to develop thicker skin. As a society, in order to remain intact, people need to get along and the best way to disrupt the cooperation needed is by discriminating a group of people instead of evaluating individuals by themselves.
It's arguable that generalizations is an evolutionary process developed by the mind to sort the world in an order that's comprehensible. Too much data overloads the mind so it has to simplify. It is thus easy to imagine that those who have not evolved past this simple mindset of generalizing that they may be simple minded.
Yes I did, which is stupid. But I can't think of a reason why people don't evaluate on a personal level.Originally posted by: Exterous
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
So beautiful ray of sunshine is a derogatory term for all Hispanics. The derogatory nature of the term is the implication that all Hispanics have wet backs (i.e. swam across a river to get to the U.S.). If you are a Hispanic who did not swim across a river to get to the U.S., tell me how this is offensive to you?
MotionMan
Because people now use it as a derogatory term for all hispanics even if it didn't originally include all hispanics. Do you think a black person shouldn't be offended by being called a porch monkey just because they've never sat on a porch?
But what is "derogatory" about it? Is it just because we have all agreed that it is a bad word?
MotionMan
It's usage is historically derogative. Like all derogative terms, it's all about the context that it's used. The word bitch by itself is fine if describing a dog but when applied to people it takes on a whole new meaning. beautiful ray of sunshine, the terminology, may not have an inherent negative interpretation but the context of its use is what has deemed it a negative term.
I should add that with derogatory terms, it's obvious that it's not the word that is causing the harm but the intent of the person behind the words. You can argue that people grow thicker skin and some people probably should, but you cannot conclude that because you believe people should have thicker skin that all people need to develop thicker skin. As a society, in order to remain intact, people need to get along and the best way to disrupt the cooperation needed is by discriminating a group of people instead of evaluating individuals by themselves.
It's arguable that generalizations is an evolutionary process developed by the mind to sort the world in an order that's comprehensible. Too much data overloads the mind so it has to simplify. It is thus easy to imagine that those who have not evolved past this simple mindset of generalizing that they may be simple minded.
Wait....did you just use a generalization in an argument that claims people who use generalizations are simple minded?
Originally posted by: Captain Howdy
Thank you so much for posting that. I have been looking for it but did not know what it was called. "Bring your wife..." lol
The rest of this thread is just silly.
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: nace186
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
Originally posted by: HammerCurl
I like how there's 4 question marks at the end of backs. And "Wet Backs" is capitalized in the ad. No way it was going to be a sent out advertisement. Someone was probably f'in around and hit send on accident from the joking advertisement.
Bullshit. The ad is for air conditioned seats. Without the air conditioned seats, in hot weather, what would your back tend to do? Sweat? Would that cause it to get wet? And what would you call a back that was wet?
Wet Backs is capitalized because it is in a fucking headline.
I think it's naive to think it was accidental. Sounds like a pretty lame attempt at a joke. If it wasn't intended to have a double meaning, the word "the" wouldn't be in there.
No it's not naive. First of all, I never heard of the term wet back as being bad, so when I first read the ads, I thought it meant: are you tired of all the wet backs you've been having since your car doesn't have ac?
You're in the minority. So far, only two posters, including yours, did not know what the term meant. Considering the origination of the word and the location of the ad, it would be naive to believe that people of that region did not understand the connotations involved. It would be like a person living in South Carolina never hearing the word n*gger.
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Train wreck thread full of morons who think it's OK because:
1) They are acting dumb and claiming to not see the use of Wet Backs is clearly used in the context related to South American immigrants.
2) It's 'OK' to rag on Hispanics.
3) People are closed minded bigots most of the time.
If the car ad was worded properly it should have been, 'Tired of a wet back???'. Using 'The' clearly addresses a group, not an individual or an individual experience, which having a wet back in a car can only ever be.
Twenty blinkered dipshits will disagree with me and nit pick my post after this, but it won't change a thing. It was a deliberate use of a political hot potato to sell cars. Pretty fucking sad.
FTR-I never said it was okay. Just wanted to point that out.
It was really a stupid thing to put in an advertisement.
I keep thinking of the "save the green backs" commercials when I hear this.