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[Cookie Monster]

Link

:laugh:

The icying on the cake is all the ad banners surrounding the article!

 

[Wreckage]

The fact that AMD advertises on his site, is a huge negative in my book. Corporate sponsored FUD.

Just another reason I refuse to support their products.

They have the worst business practices that only hurt consumers.

 

[Hauk]

Charlie's pulled so much out of his ass, it must be minivan size by now..

 

[bfdd]

lolol that is hilarious i haven't laughed that hard in awhile.

 

[waffleironhead]

wondering what level of accuracy you can shoot for these days and still be "semi-accurate" 5%?


That article aside, I am wondering how much not having a dx11 product is going to hurt nV's sales this quarter.

 

[gigahertz20]

How can he write stuff like this, if it turns out this is all BS which it most likely is, nobody will ever trust what he has to say again.

What has he wrote in the past? Lots of same crap that turned out to be not true or what?


Anyways, Nvidia is a concern of mine, I purchased stock in their company awhile back and I'm wondering if I should sell it and just take the loss before it drops even further.

 

[Schmide]

I can't believe so many fell for satire. Go read the onion.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I half expected that to be from the onion.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The fact that AMD advertises on his site, is a huge negative in my book. Corporate sponsored FUD.

Just another reason I refuse to support their products.

They have the worst business practices that only hurt consumers.

Dude just stop, it is getting old...

The link, although suggestive and anti-nvidia attitude does make cause for concern. If Nvidia stops production of the lower end models it means the 295 would be the only gfx card for sale. The 295 chip cost quite a bit in terms of manufacturing, this would mean that they are not getting the return needed on the lower end models.

Unfortunately, it would seems Nvidia is pulling out (if reports are accurate) of the high-end Gfx card production. I mean, would you continue to manufacture products that do not cover total cost needed for production? R&D, manufacturing, marketing all must be added into the equation. It is a pretty well known fact Nvidia spent more then desired on R&D the past two years.

My 2 cents.

 

[Nathelion]

lolz

And wreckage - you're almost as bad as Charlie, except with the opposite bias.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The fact that AMD advertises on his site, is a huge negative in my book. Corporate sponsored FUD.

Just another reason I refuse to support their products.

They have the worst business practices that only hurt consumers.

Dude just stop, it is getting old...

The link, although suggestive and anti-nvidia attitude does make cause for concern. If Nvidia stops production of the lower end models it means the 295 would be the only gfx card for sale. The 295 chip cost quite a bit in terms of manufacturing, this would mean that they are not getting the return needed on the lower end models.

Unfortunately, it would seems Nvidia is pulling out (if reports are accurate) of the high-end Gfx card production. I mean, would you continue to manufacture products that do not cover total cost needed for production? R&D, manufacturing, marketing all must be added into the equation. It is a pretty well known fact Nvidia spent more then desired on R&D the past two years.

My 2 cents.

reports are accurate? you mean this dude spitting out fud? yeah ok....

 

[*kjm]

I hope it is not true but I have seen it before..... Read Cause of decline

I would love to see two or more companies for our benifit but in the past history it has been proven with only two one can fall hard. If they would all work together it would be a perfect world for us and them but.......

 

[Tempered81]

Yah Charlie often entertains us by making an ass of himself, and it does seem like he pulls sh*t out of his behind, but take a look at some of the stuff he wrote back when he was at theINQ. He is eerily correct about much which was largely unknown to the masses; and he wrote this almost half a year ago:

A look at the Nvidia GT300 architecture
By Charlie Demerjian
Thursday, 14 May 2009, 01:55

...It is still set for June, which means best case, June 1st. Add six weeks for first silicon, two more for initial debug, and you are at eight weeks, minimum. That means the go or no-go decision might be made as early as August 1st. If everything goes perfectly, and there is no second spin required, you would have to add 90 days to that, meaning November 1st, before you could see any boards. So, if all the stars align, and everything goes perfectly, Nvidia could hit Q4 of 2009. But that won't happen.

...The basic structure of GT300 is the same as Larrabee. Nvidia is going to use general purpose 'shaders' to do compute tasks, and the things that any sane company would put into dedicated hardware are going to be done in software. Basically DX11 will be shader code on top of a generic CPU-like structure. Just like Larrabee, but from the look of it, Larrabee got the underlying hardware right. Before you jump up and down, and before all the Nvidiots start drooling, this is a massive problem for Nvidia. The chip was conceived at a time when Nvidia thought GPU compute was actually going to bring it some money, and it was an exit strategy...

...with the GT300 approach. There is no dedicated tesselator, and if you use that DX11 feature, it will take large amounts of shader time, used inefficiently as is the case with general purpose hardware. You will then need the same shaders again to render the triangles. 250K to 1 Million triangles on the GT300 should be notably slower than straight 1 Million triangles. The same should hold true for all DX11 features, ATI has dedicated hardware where applicable, Nvidia has general purpose shaders roped into doing things far less efficiently. When you turn on DX11 features, the GT300 will take a performance nosedive, the R870 won't.Worse yet, when the derivatives come out, the proportion of shaders needed to run DX11 will go up for Nvidia, but the dedicated hardware won't change for ATI. It is currently selling parts on the low end of the market...

GT300 will be quarters late, and without a miracle, miss back to school, the Windows 7 launch, and Christmas.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inq...dia-gt300-architecture

 

[veri745]

His article on cratering the prices of the GTX260/GTX275 is semi-believable. The G200 chips are awfully large to be selling them at $100/ea. nVidia may not be loosing money as he supposes, but I bet they're pretty unhappy about their margins.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: *kjm
I hope it is not true but I have seen it before..... Read Cause of decline

"3dfx's creditors decided to initiate bankruptcy proceedings. 3dfx would have had virtually no chance of successfully contesting these proceedings, and instead opted to be bought by Nvidia, ceasing to exist as a company"


http://www.istockanalyst.com/a...icle/articleid/3531730

"In fact, the problem is so acute, three weeks ago, the perennial No. 2 to Intel ended up on a list among the top 20 U.S. corporations with the highest probability of declaring bankruptcy within the next 12 months."

:shocked: AMD files for bankruptcy and NVIDIA buys them. History repeats itself. :shocked:

 

[T2k]

Suuure... too bad currently NV has worse outlook for the next couple of quarters than AMD has.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: *kjm
I hope it is not true but I have seen it before..... Read Cause of decline

"3dfx's creditors decided to initiate bankruptcy proceedings. 3dfx would have had virtually no chance of successfully contesting these proceedings, and instead opted to be bought by Nvidia, ceasing to exist as a company"


http://www.istockanalyst.com/a...icle/articleid/3531730

"In fact, the problem is so acute, three weeks ago, the perennial No. 2 to Intel ended up on a list among the top 20 U.S. corporations with the highest probability of declaring bankruptcy within the next 12 months."

:shocked: AMD files for bankruptcy and NVIDIA buys them. History repeats itself. :shocked:

Yep you got the jist of my post:disgust:

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
What has he wrote in the past? Lots of same crap that turned out to be not true or what?

I haven't been able to find the article again, but I think a year ago Charlie wrote on TheInq that Nvidia absolutely positively read-Charlie's-lips will be unable to put two GT200 cores on one graphics card.

 

[happy medium]

So Nvidia is loosing money with every g200 product they sell?
Are they clearing stock to make room for a windows 7 launch?
This is odd?

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15831/1/

 

[n7]

It will be funnier if this turns out to be true.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: gigahertz20
What has he wrote in the past? Lots of same crap that turned out to be not true or what?

I haven't been able to find the article again, but I think a year ago Charlie wrote on TheInq that Nvidia absolutely positively read-Charlie's-lips will be unable to put two GT200 cores on one graphics card.

I thought he was half right about that... didn't they require a 55nm shrink to pull that off? Or did they already have 55nm parts out when he wrote that? I can't remember, it's been a while.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: happy medium
So Nvidia is loosing money with every g200 product they sell?
Are they clearing stock to make room for a windows 7 launch?
This is odd?

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15831/1/

I find this more believable than nvidia closing up shop.

 

[Nox51]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The fact that AMD advertises on his site, is a huge negative in my book. Corporate sponsored FUD.

Just another reason I refuse to support their products.

They have the worst business practices that only hurt consumers.

Yes and nVidia is a saint when it comes to consumers as we all know!

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: happy medium
So Nvidia is loosing money with every g200 product they sell?
Are they clearing stock to make room for a windows 7 launch?
This is odd?

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15831/1/

I find this more believable than nvidia closing up shop.

So will fermi be able to compete in the midrange? If not nVidia is giving up a big chunk of the market for several months. Must hurt.

 

[dev0lution]

Originally posted by: Zap

I haven't been able to find the article again, but I think a year ago Charlie wrote on TheInq that Nvidia absolutely positively read-Charlie's-lips will be unable to put two GT200 cores on one graphics card.

LOL...which one?

#1 - Can't do it...
"If you are thinking that NV will put out a dual card, don't hold your breath, they are power limited, die size limited, cost limited and production limited." - June 12 2008

#2 - OK, maybe they can make it, but it'll never be available...
"NV is in a real bind here, it needs a halo, but the parts won't let it do it. If they jack up power to give them the performance they need, they can't power it. Then there is the added complication of how the heck do you cool the damn thing. With a dual PCB, you have less than one slot to cool something that runs hot with a two slot cooler. In engineering terms, this is what you call a mess.

Given NV's problems of late with cooling, it is in a bind, but there is no way out of this, none at all. The only thing it can do is resort to unethical tactics, and that is what we think it will do here. The only solution open to NV is to cherry pick ultra low power GT200b parts and make a small run of GX2s that don't burn a hole in the bottom of your case on their way down to the center of the earth.

If this case follows past tactics, NV will make a very small run of parts and claim there is full production. Think 1000 parts or so, most of which go to reviewers. The rest will go to high-profile marketers, think Newegg, and they will sell out. When people cry for more, the usual 'high demand' lines will be spun, and they will dribble out 10-20 cards here and there to keep up appearances." - October 9, 2008

#3 - They can't make it (again) aka "I never should have doubted my genius intuition"
"That brings us to the GX2/dual card. Suppliers tell us that it is quite dead. We thought it was an impossible thing to pull off when we first analysed the part, and it looks like several universal physical constants agreed with us. Thermodynamics is a bitch." - November 4, 2009

#4 - I'll pretend I never said it was impossible - but it'll still never be in stock...
"It looks like the on-again, off again GT200GX2 is on again, and it is called the GTX295. Yay."

"Given the lack of gains with the B2 stepping, the GX2/GTX295 still seem unmakable in volume, but such trifling concerns have never stopped Nvidia in the past. We hear they are going to launch it even though they can't make it, along with the requisite 19 parts to Newegg so they can claim it is on sale. Real volume won't happen until (if?) they can fix the power problems." - December 3, 2009

#5 - It's dead - this time I really mean it! (even though there's 12 models in stock at newegg 7 months later..)
"Remember, when we said they were limited and gone once they were gone, some spinners denied it vehemently. Nvidia will probably trickle out a few more to 'prove' this wrong, but the 295 is dead now, two month life span." - March 12, 2009

This from the guy who predicted NVIDIA was going to launch an x86 CPU at IDF 2008 and that Google was going to buy Valve.....