Titan owners and GTX 780

[Lepton87]

How do you feel about your purchase in the light of incoming GTX780? If it's going to land at 599-650$, I will be pretty angry for basically wasting 300$ because I feel Titian only warrants a 100$ price premium over GTX780 because GTX780 is only slightly more cut-down and it's going to be 10% slower at most. If it indeed lands at 599$-650$ or even 700$ I'm never going to buy a single GPU that costs over 500$.
Titan basically feels like a huge money grab, I'm pretty sure NV could have released GTX780 along with Titan just like it released k20 along with k20x, but few people would buy a titan then, because its value proposition would've looked even worse then it did. Even if NV couldn't do that it would be a lot more fair if GTX780 was at least announced but basically I feel that 99% of the blame is on me for not thinking about a slightly more cut-down GK110 at a significantly lower price point coming just a while later. Still, NV didn't make more money on me by acting like it did, because at 600-650$(maybe even at 700$) I would've bought two GTX 780's, also I'm going to be way more wary to spend a lot of money on a graphics card from NV in the future. Buying 7970 at release was a stellar use of money by comparison even at the release price, for 550$, when overclocked it was the fastest card for 1.5 year until the "mighty" Titan came. Titan reminds me of GTX280, its release price looked silly just a while later when AMD released Radeon4870, now I think that the same thing is happening only it's NV that will make its own flagship card's price look really ludicrous.

 

[Grooveriding]

Still, NV didn't make more money on me by acting like it did, because at 600-650$ I would've bought two GTX 780's...

Maybe, maybe not. Considering the past cost of manufacture/marketing on nvidia's big die cards, there is probably a good $700-$750 of profit on a Titan sale, the lion's share going to nvidia with a little to the retailer and a little to the AIB. They could very well make more on a single Titan than they will on two 780s.

It doesn't bother me, there is always new hardware coming out that has a downward affect on the value of existing hardware. Anyone going into spending $1000 on Titan hopefully knew they were not getting their money's worth and were getting fleeced big time. I usually sell my hardware once I am done with it and expect to take the biggest loss I've seen reselling video cards when I sell the Titans.

Right now we are seeing pre-hype hysteria like there was before GK104 came out and the thought it would be $300. These 28nm cards have totally changed the way pricing has been compared to the past few generations; $1000 flagship single GPU cards, dual gpu cards that cost as much and even more than the same configuration in two single gpu cards with the same die, mid-range cards for $500 etc. That will not change with the 780/770, which are from what I have heard going to replicate the GTX280/260 launch pricing without a 4870/4850 launch to cause price drops.

The 780 will still be a hugely better deal than the Titan. $300-$350 less for just 10% or a shade more less performance and the same good amount of overclocking headroom you can get on a Titan. If I wasn't so lazy I'd tear my loop apart and sell the Titans and buy three 780s with the proceeds. They are going to be compatible with Titan waterblocks, so I'd just need to get another block, if I wasn't so lazy of course.

 

[DooKey]

Doesn't bother me a bit. Early adopter fee and all of that. Those that waited will get a better deal. Nothing to see here.....

 

[Lepton87]

GTX680 didn't really affect 7970's value that much, it was never cheaper then 7970 in Europe and only 10% cheaper in the US while delivering less then 10% better performance at high resolutions, it was much more faster at 1080p tough. Right now after the drivers have matured 7970 and 680 are basically even at high resolutions. Over 40% cheaper and 10% slower is a hugely better deal. If I could sell my Titan I would, but that's going to be difficult in my country, we have 22% VAT(23%, I actually forgot that they raised it over a year ago ) tax so everything is at least that much more expensive and the average wages are like 3 times lower the in the US or your home country Canada. So 1250$ is considered a lot of money in my country, unlike in the US where it's not that much. Due to above stated reasons selling it for a fair price is basically going to be impossible for me I would be willing to sell it for 15% less then I bought it for. I'm going to list it for that much, maybe someone will buy, unfortunately I sold only a few items on our ebay equivalent, people tend to stay clear of unproved sellers when that much money is involved.

 

[Grooveriding]

You could always try for a local sale. Most everything I sell is to someone within driving distance and the odd time I ship something somewhere else in the country. Never sell anything outside of Canada though, just too much hassle.

 

[Rvenger]

How do you feel about your purchase in the light of incoming GTX780? If it's going to land at 599-650$, I will be pretty angry for basically wasting 300$ because I feel Titian only warrants a 100$ price premium over GTX780 because GTX780 is only slightly more cut-down and it's going to be 10% slower at most. If it indeed lands at 599$-650$ or even 700$ I'm never going to buy a single GPU that costs over 500$.
Titan basically feels like a huge money grab, I'm pretty sure NV could have released GTX780 along with Titan just like it released k20 along with k20x, but few people would buy a titan then, because its value proposition would've looked even worse then it did. Even if NV couldn't do that it would be a lot more fair if GTX780 was at least announced but basically I feel that 99% of the blame is on me for not thinking about a slightly more cut-down GK110 at a significantly lower price point coming just a while later. Still, NV didn't make more money on me by acting like it did, because at 600-650$(maybe even at 700$) I would've bought two GTX 780's, also I'm going to be way more wary to spend a lot of money on a graphics card from NV in the future. Buying 7970 at release was a stellar use of money by comparison even at the release price, for 550$, when overclocked it was the fastest card for 1.5 year until the "mighty" Titan came. Titan reminds me of GTX280, its release price looked silly just a while later when AMD released Radeon4870, now I think that the same thing is happening only it's NV that will make its own flagship card's price look really ludicrous.

No worries, it will be priced more than 600, just wait and see.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

I don't care too much. I've had my Titan for nearly 3 months now. If I bought one within the past month, I'd probably be a little bit upset, but when I bought mine, I knew I was going to be hit with the early adopter fee at some point. And... life right now is too good to care about these things. Yes, I will enjoy it, while it lasts.

 

[AdamK47]

Not faster, don't care.

 

[Lepton87]

You could always try for a local sale. Most everything I sell is to someone within driving distance and the odd time I ship something somewhere else in the country. Never sell anything outside of Canada though, just too much hassle.

I'm going to try it, it costs nothing, but people rarely look for such expensive products on craig's list or an equivalent site. It seems I'm the only one irked by the Titan's price getting so ridiculous in comparison to the other products from the same manufacturer that fast. Probably because I live in a way poorer country then most Titan owners here and to boot Titan was an impulse buy for me when I wasn't exactly sober and I got very mad at complications with my Quad Fire set-up in FarCry3. I actually spent 1250$ without getting better performance, one of the dumbest things I've ever done.

Not faster, don't care.

If I got money growing on trees in my backyard like you do, I wouldn't care either, alas I'm not that well off. Good for you tough.

I don't care too much. I've had my Titan for nearly 3 months now. If I bought one within the past month, I'd probably be a little bit upset, but when I bought mine, I knew I was going to be hit with the early adopter fee at some point. And... life right now is too good to care about these things. Yes, I will enjoy it, while it lasts.

That's what irks me the most, I got it about a month ago, and I still haven't got the time to enjoy it, I only finished SC2 hots, so I didn't even make it sweat.

 

[AdamK47]

If I got money growing on trees in my backyard like you do, I wouldn't care either, alas I'm not that well off. Good for you tough.

I had a money tree and I didn't even know. Time to build that $50K gaming PC.

 

[Lepton87]

I had a money tree and I didn't even know. Time to build that $50K gaming PC.

The only thing I can think of that could cost that much is an OLED 4K monitor. Maybe you should consider upgrading your monitor, it should be a noticeable upgrade. Give those Titans a good workout, driving your monitor is just a warm-up for them most of the time, you could launch a game with 2D clocks and not even notice it

 

[UaVaj]

why would u even be angry at 780's pricing?

$650 for a 780 that is estimated 20% slower and has 3gb vram less sounds about right.

as for that extra $300 you spent on the titan. that is for 20% extra performance and extra 3gb vram. the only thing you should be angry about is having that extra 3gb of expensive vram on the titan where you will never ever make use of. a single titan will choke before all 6gb of vram is ever maxed.

if you still worry. a buddy of mine just sold his evga titan (fresh warranty exchange) for $980 on ebay a week ago.

there is nothing to compete with 780/titan. you reallie got nothing to worry about.

 

[ams23]

Titan has twice as much VRAM as GTX 780, in addition to a higher number of CUDA "cores", so a price premium is expected. From Titan's initial reviews it was clear that it would never offer the most perf/$ for pure gaming purposes.

 

[Grooveriding]

And... life right now is too good to care about these things. Yes, I will enjoy it, while it lasts.

This is the best sentiment. Whatever your budget for stuff like this, if you're not spending an amount of money that you are comfortable with being gone altogether, you're spending too much.

A Titan is nothing compared to that $5000-$10000 you lose the moment you sign and drive off in your new car. Besides, apart from the price being a shocker, the card is a real beast. Compare it to the GTX 580 and you see the best flagship performance increase in a long time, it's almost as good as what we saw with the 8800GTX compared to the past generation. It's a really good card, just really over-priced.

 

[Lepton87]

why would u even be angry at 780's pricing?

I already explained the best I could. I bought it "quite late" in its short cycle, that is about a month ago and I didn't even use it in a way that it would prove useful. I only finished SC2 hots and just fiddled with other games, I didn't game more then for an hour aside from SC2. And now a hugely better deal comes along.
BTW. Why do you think it's going to be as much as 20% slower that a titan? I thought it would be something on the order of 10% slower so basically an insignificant amount and hardly noticeable.

This is the best sentiment. Whatever your budget for stuff like this, if you're not spending an amount of money that you are comfortable with being gone altogether, you're spending too much.

A Titan is nothing compared to that $5000-$10000 you lose the moment you sign and drive off in your new car. Besides, apart from the price being a shocker, the card is a real beast. Compare it to the GTX 580 and you see the best flagship performance increase in a long time, it's almost as good as what we saw with the 8800GTX compared to the past generation. It's a really good card, just really over-priced.

agreed, I spent too much on a single card, more then I'm really comfortable with, yes it's a huge increase over GTX580, did someone actually benchmarked it against it and determined how much faster it is? I got a feeling that it's even faster then GTX580s in SLI so that's the first time a new flagship is faster then two former flagships working in SLI/CF since 8800GTX. I didn't see it benchmarked againts GTX580s in SLI so I'm not really sure it's actually faster but my gut feeling tells me it is. GTX680 was just 30% faster then GTX580 so clearly it was not meant to be high-end even though a lot of people insisted that it was.

 

[UaVaj]

speaking of titan's pricing.

for the same performance/price ratio in contrast to 680 and 7970ghz. titan should had been priced at ~$849 for the 6gb version. there should also be a 3gb version too. priced at ~$749.

the true premium is ~$150. T=$35, I=$25, T=$35, A=$30, N=$25.

 

[DooKey]

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BTW. Why do you think it's going to be as much as 20% slower that a titan? I thought it would be something on the order of 10% slower so basically an insignificant amount and hardly noticeable.

I agree with this. Anyone who crows about 10% difference in performance between cards is really just crowing about nothing.

 

[lavaheadache]

Not faster, don't care.

well said

 

[5150Joker]

Its a $700 part with a cut down core, doesn't bother me one bit. I'm very happy with my Titans.

 

[Tempered81]

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Did you try that Naenon 1.225v bios over at OCN for your GTX titans? 1170 sounds about right but with water, I'd think you could be around ~1250mhz with no throttling. Maybe the 3500mhz mem is the show stopper for the core.

Nice cards man!

 

[guskline]

I don't own Titans. It's hard for me to be sympathetic to anyone who bought a Titan and complained about the price. Good Lord, no one put a gun to your head and "forced" you to buy a "$1,000" GPU. You knew they were a premium GPU.

Most posters who bought them are extremely happy with them.

Complaining about Titans being overpriced is kind of like someone who buys a Corvette ZR1 and then complains it's overpriced!

 

[willomz]

I already explained the best I could. I bought it "quite late" in its short cycle, that is about a month ago and I didn't even use it in a way that it would prove useful. I only finished SC2 hots and just fiddled with other games, I didn't game more then for an hour aside from SC2. And now a hugely better deal comes along.

I really don't understand why you bought it at all if you just fiddle with a few games. What did you upgrade from?

People who make more use of their Titans probably aren't as bothered.

 

[guskline]

Not faster, don't care.

Love your avatar. At 62, I remember the first GTO I ever saw. Fire engine red with the HO engine

 

[5150Joker]

About the performance difference, this is some graph from chiphell, not sure how accurate it is:

Edit: Well now that i see it says 40 ROPS and 5 GB so its probably bs.

 

[2is]

It's not like you didn't know it's a niche, limited edition card selling for an unprecedented [for a single GPU] $1000 when you bought it and it's not like you didn't know new cards get released. Heck, there was rumors about Titan LE with 780 specs and pricing almost as soon as Titan was announced. These are all factors you were aware of and were seemingly ok with at the time of your purchase.