Titan owners and GTX 780

[2is]

And that translates to them forcing you to pay $1000 how? Seems we can read, you just don't understand the implications of way you're saying.

You not buying an expense nv card does nothing. They'll still sell out. Instead of cutting off your noise to spite your face, you could take this as a learning lesson and make a more informed buying decision next time. Seems you were the only one caught off guard.

But what am I thinking, that's something someone who takes responsibility, and doesn't shift blame would do. You have clearly demonstrated that doesn't apply to you.

 

[Lepton87]

And that translates to them forcing you to pay $1000 how? Seems we can read, you just don't understand the implications of way you're saying.

No, Lonbjerg lacks basic reading comprehension, I didn't speak for all Titan's owners and even said multiple times I'm in the minority. And your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand, I won't participate in straw-man arguments. I'm done arguing with you, you just repeat all the things I said myself and are very happy with the way NV handled that situation. I disagree. The end of argument.

 

[2is]

Yet you keep pouting at every opportunity, even outside this thread as if someone at nVidia is going to feel sorry for you and perform an act of charity.

 

[Lepton87]

Yet you keep pouting at every opportunity, even outside this thread as if someone at nVidia is going to feel sorry for you and perform an act of charity.

Yet lots of people agree, I just don't like how they milked their customers. I don't want NV to feel sorry, I just won't buy from them again, at least not a high-end card. So by milking costumers during this generation they lost me as a customer who always bought high-end cards.

 

[cytg111]

just friggin sell it and get those two 780'ies .. problem solved .. you'll still get a good dollar for the titan, they're in short supply and as i understand sells for above the 999$ mark

 

[2is]

At the risk of repeating myself...

You not buying an expense nv card does nothing. They'll still sell out. Instead of cutting off your noise to spite your face, you could take this as a learning lesson and make a more informed buying decision next time. Seems you were the only one caught off guard.

But again, this isn't something I expect from someone who blames others for his mistakes.

 

[Lepton87]

This topic wasn't meant to be about me, as was apparent from the first question I asked in my opening post. I'm going to repeat it.

How do you feel about your purchase in the light of incoming GTX780?

Then I expressed how I felt about it and wanted others to write how they feel about it. It's really ridiculous that people made this topic about me. I just wanted to know if people like the way NV handled that situation or not. It's getting harder and harder to have a discussion on this forum. I don't know what compelled people to reiterate what I already said in my opening post.

But again, this isn't something I expect from someone who blames others for his mistakes.

Stop with this idiotic straw-man argument. It's getting boring. Blaming myself and not liking how NV handled this situation is not mutually exclusive, in fact I don't like how they handled this whole generation. Is it that hard to understand?

just friggin sell it and get those two 780'ies .. problem solved .. you'll still get a good dollar for the titan, they're in short supply and as i understand sells for above the 999$ mark

I'm in Poland, Titans are not in short supply over here, they weren't really selling before a 780 launched, right now almost nobody buys them over here. Anyway this is OT.

 

[Wall Street]

Yet you keep pouting at every opportunity, even outside this thread as if someone at nVidia is going to feel sorry for you and perform an act of charity.

This is a strawman. He isn't asking for charity or asking anyone to feel sorry.

nVidia is good at behavioral finance and anchors the price with the top of their line then works down. Whenever a new nVidia top end card comes out, the rule of thumb should always be to wait 3 months and see what else comes out. The GTX 570 was a better buy than the GTX 580, the GTX 670 was a better buy than the GTX 680 and the GTX 780 is a better buy than Titan (the 770 is still to be announced). Releasing the top of the range for a premium price, then releasing lower end cards is meant to frame the price of the lower cards against the top card (rather than cards below it) and to capture as many people to buy cards in each price segment before letting the specs of the lower cards out.

nVidia this time tried to play as if the Titan was separate from the GeForce lineup and powered by their server class parts. I can see how that could be interpreted as indicating that GK110 cards wouldn't be in the 700 series. This was smart of them as they unanchored the pricing expectation from the normal $500 high-end expectation. Imagine if nVidia released the 780 first for $650 then released the "Titan" as a GTX 785. The articles would all compare the price of the GTX 780 to the GTX 680 price instead of the Titan price.

 

[Keysplayr]

Yet lots of people agree, I just don't like how they milked their customers. I don't want NV to feel sorry, I just won't buy from them again, at least not a high-end card. So by milking costumers during this generation they lost me as a customer who always bought high-end cards.

I'm not sure why you bought from them in the first place. It goes against every grain in your body to own Nvidia yet you keep buying them. Lepto, just do yourself a solid, sell the Titan and get what you really want. Problem and buyers remorse will be cured.

i cannot believe I actually had to type this out.

 

[chimaxi83]

I'm not sure why you bought from them in the first place. It goes against every grain in your body to own Nvidia yet you keep buying them. Lepto, just do yourself a solid, sell the Titan and get what you really want. Problem and buyers remorse will be cured.

i cannot believe I actually had to type this out.

I can, inflammatory bs in response to any negativity about Nvidia is all you post nowadays.

 

[Keysplayr]

I can, inflammatory bs in response to any negativity about Nvidia is all you post nowadays.

Inflammatory?!? It is a solution to someone who continually buys Nvidia products ESPECIALLY when they live in a country where Nvidia is priced even higher than the norm for us here in the US, and make the OP a happier person.
All he does is complain and if it was a 7990 he was complaining about right now and I said what I said, you would be silent. Fact.

 

[Lepton87]

I'm not sure why you bought from them in the first place. It goes against every grain in your body to own Nvidia yet you keep buying them. Lepto, just do yourself a solid, sell the Titan and get what you really want. Problem and buyers remorse will be cured.

i cannot believe I actually had to type this out.

I bought from them because they offered the fastest single card on the market and before I had QuadFire 6990 that was getting on my nerves, so I wanted a single card. I had no beef with nv until now. I won't go thru all the hassle of selling my Titan just to buy a GTX780. Also I've got a problem with the warranty for my card which pretty much precludes selling it. AMD doesn't offer anything compelling to me at the moment.

This is a strawman. He isn't asking for charity or asking anyone to feel sorry.(...)

Well said. They didn't use their conventional naming scheme because they wanted to create an illusion that this card is something special, that they want to satisfy people who want a true high-end card with a server part and the rest will be served by the refresh of GK104, many people thought that to be true. I said many times that he's arguing against a point I didn't make, maybe he isn't familiar with the notion of straw-man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw-man_argument

 

[NIGELG]

Inflammatory?!? It is a solution to someone who continually buys Nvidia products ESPECIALLY when they live in a country where Nvidia is priced even higher than the norm for us here in the US, and make the OP a happier person.
All he does is complain and if it was a 7990 he was complaining about right now and I said what I said, you would be silent. Fact.

Hey you kind of work for Nvidia so give the Titan buyer some support or try to woo him back into your overpriced company's customer base again.

I would be upset too but I guess you get what you pay for....

 

[JayManB]

http://forum.techinferno.com/nvidia...d-vbios-more-control-better-overclocking.html

Using the second BIOS from that link allowed me to run both my Titans over 1200Mhz and 3500Mhz memory stable in everything I tested. It lets you fine tune your voltages. I recommend not using EVGA precision or afterburner to overclock, just use them for monitoring. Create nvidiainspector shortcut profiles for your overclocks as recommended in that thread.

That BIOS lets you get everything you can from the cards. I still use the stock BIOS though as the extra oomph is not worth the hassle of running the cards modded imo. Another 100mhz core clock or more memory speed is not a deal-breaker when the only game that goes under 60FPS is Metro LL. :awe:

Yeah I'm just running stock bios to. My card at stock boosts to 1058 and stays there in most games. In benchmarks it throttles down.

I'm a gamer. I only benchmark to check that I'm getting the correct performance. I'm starting Metro tonight and really looking forward to it.

 

[wand3r3r]

Heh heh... NV marketers can't let this thread fly without trying to tarnish OP.

You have a couple valid points. The titan was named to imply it would be the top of the line, reviews rehashed NV marketing materials perfectly, saying it's 'in a class of it's own' etc. It was nothing more than NV milking people for all it can. It waited just long enough and tried keeping hype up about the card (selling more than the likely dismal sales of the 690).

I certainly didn't expect 780 models to touch it. The gap itself was pitiful for the premium so you should have seen that coming (30% for $550 is insane). A lesson learned I guess. The funny thing is seeing people defending NV no matter what, despite this obvious fleecing of the customer. If titan was truly in it's own class they could have released the 780 simultaneously, but they did what they did intentionally. I guess they deserve credit because they managed to fleece their customers (again - it's not the first time).

I'll guess that OP isn't 'amd' biased just because his original cards were amd, or at least I've seen no indication but I guess that's the easiest way to throw dirt in his image.

 

[Lonbjerg]

The OP is a Titan owner...who didn't do his "research"...and is unhappy.
I am a Titan owner...who DID his research.

Looking at the thread title...what is your "mission" here?

To tell Titan owners (me) that other whiney Titan owners (the OP) is right on a subjective matter?

FACT:
You side with the guy against NV..due to his own uninformed purchase.

 

[wand3r3r]

The OP is a Titan owner...who didn't do his "research"...and is unhappy.
I am a Titan owner...who DID his research.

Looking at the thread title...what is your "mission" here?

To tell Titan owners (me) that other whiney Titan owners (the OP) is right on a subjective matter?

FACT:
You side with the guy against NV..due to his own uninformed purchase.

Cool story bro.

Yeah he made the mistake, this thread isn't implying everyone's unsatisfied and he takes most of the blame on himself. I suggest you read it again. People are trying to throw dirt on the OP, which I feel is unjustified. I can see his point, others are just trying to bury/discredit the OP due to their allegiance to a corp.

Of course NV did everything they could to fleece the customers, pretending it's an exclusive etc. etc. but in the end he shouldn't have bought it and he admits it. No need to sit and whine about OP. In general releasing a high end before mid range is nothing unusual but they got the reviewers to pretend it's an exclusive (and it felt like they are trying to promote it despite/justifying the absurd price).

 

[Lonbjerg]

Let me inform you then, as a Titan owner:

I am happy with my purchase, which was made well informed about the upcomming GTX780.

And thus we are square back at the OP whining, due to errors on his part.

 

[5150Joker]

If a few hundred dollars is going to cause alarm for a Titan owner then its a clear indication they shouldn't have purchased it in the first place. People that bought Titan knew it was way overpriced and just wanted the best and guess what? It's still the best.

 

[2is]

Cool story bro.

Yeah he made the mistake, this thread isn't implying everyone's unsatisfied and he takes most of the blame on himself. I suggest you read it again. People are trying to throw dirt on the OP, which I feel is unjustified. I can see his point, others are just trying to bury/discredit the OP due to their allegiance to a corp.

Of course NV did everything they could to fleece the customers, pretending it's an exclusive etc. etc. but in the end he shouldn't have bought it and he admits it. No need to sit and whine about OP. In general releasing a high end before mid range is nothing unusual but they got the reviewers to pretend it's an exclusive (and it felt like they are trying to promote it despite/justifying the absurd price).

There's a difference between "defending" nVidia and simply recognizing they're not to blame for the mistake of the buyer.

If a few hundred dollars is going to cause alarm for a Titan owner then its a clear indication they shouldn't have purchased it in the first place. People that bought Titan knew it was way overpriced and just wanted the best and guess what? It's still the best.

Exactly

 

[Lonbjerg]

If a few hundred dollars is going to cause alarm for a Titan owner then its a clear indication they shouldn't have purchased it in the first place. People that bought Titan knew it was way overpriced and just wanted the best and guess what? It's still the best.

And it's not like the GTX780 has 1/3 DP either...it's 1/24..another reason for the added price.
3GB vs 6 GB is another factor.
ROP's and SMX's another factor.

But all in all...rumours of the GTX780 were plentifull a LOOOONG time ago...the number of CUDA cores were pretty much spot on....so we are back to the main cuulprit in this thread:

"selfinduced buyers remorse due to own inactions".

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Titan isn't just a gaming card, it's a HPC card for low budget professionals as well.

I think maybe some people were so excited to actually see a real high end GPU on 28nm they lost their heads. Even the name, Titan, is a direct indication of it's roots.

If that wasn't enough to clue you in, than the option to enable 1/3 DP on a gaming card, which is utterly worthless for gaming should have been a huge red flag. Have you ever seen this before from an Nvidia gaming card? No, red flag, red flag, it's called Titan after the worlds fastest supercomputer, has 1/3 double precision and costs $1,000 well beyond any price we've ever seen for a Geforce product...


To that end, a second tier card costly substantially less, out performing the higher priced card at stock with an overclock isn't even news... Is this your first generation? A $350 GTX 570 with an OC easily beat the $550 GTX 580, a GTX 470 OC could easily best the stock GTX 480... None of this should come as a surprise to anyone, even the fact that the GTX 780 has the same ROP and BUS as Titan really shouldn't be a surprise since Titan wasn't actually given the typical moniker, it was a specialty card. Even a 40 ROP 320 BUS card though would exceed Titans stock performance with a decent overclock.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Titan isn't just a gaming card, it's a HPC card for low budget professionals as well.

I think maybe some people were so excited to actually see a real high end GPU on 28nm they lost their heads. Even the name, Titan, is a direct indication of it's roots.

If that wasn't enough to clue you in, than the option to enable 1/3 DP on a gaming card, which is utterly worthless for gaming should have been a huge red flag. Have you ever seen this before from an Nvidia gaming card? No, red flag, red flag, it's called Titan after the worlds fastest supercomputer, has 1/3 double precision and costs $1,000 well beyond any price we've ever seen for a Geforce product...


To that end, a second tier card costly substantially less, out performing the higher priced card at stock with an overclock isn't even news... Is this your first generation? A $350 GTX 570 with an OC easily beat the $550 GTX 580, a GTX 470 OC could easily best the stock GTX 480... None of this should come as a surprise to anyone, even the fact that the GTX 780 has the same ROP and BUS as Titan really shouldn't be a surprise since Titan wasn't actually given the typical moniker, it was a specialty card. Even a 40 ROP 320 BUS card though would exceed Titans stock performance with a decent overclock.

I never got the OC vs Stock part.
Compare stock vs stock and OC vs OC to give the true picture IMHO.

It's not like the Titan cannot be OC'ed ^^

 

[Erenhardt]

Titan isn't just a gaming card, it's a HPC card for low budget professionals as well.

It is not. HPC is not about hardware, it is more about software.

 

[Lepton87]

Titan that was released two months ago isn't even the fastest card, I don't get why people keep repeating this misinformation over and over again, it won't make it true. There were no custom Titans, I wonder how EVGA would treat a request in their step-up program if someone wanted to exchange his Titan to 780SC, would they actually give the price difference back?

And not even an oced Titan is faster then 780SC for an absurd 1150$
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_Titan_Amp_Edition/26.html
Those cards are dead even.

95 and 94 is within margin of error, 7970GHz and 680 are both at 69% and 71% of their performance.