Titan owners and GTX 780

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Lepton87

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Is this thread for real?

Comparing factory overclocked boost 2.0 to reference, which is also on the chart for both Titan and the 780 clearly show reference vs reference Titan is faster...

So you're criticizing Nvidia for slotting in their mid-range card against AMD's high end card, despite similar performance? That's a whole different topic!

Do you have a link where Nvidia suggested Titan would be the only GK110 chip released?

Reference GTX 780 is like 10% slower, isn't it? Or are you comparing the factory overclocked aftermarket cooled 780 to the stock Titan again?

They wouldn't release a 2880 shader GK110, it doesn't have the ROP to Shader ratio needed to make it work, which is why even the GTX 780 looks so good against Titan. From a gaming perspective the GTX 780 is a more well balanced card. Whereas Titan is shader heavy with 1/3 DP because it's not just a gaming card, it's a HPC card as well.

Sounds like you're delusional, the performance gap between GK104 and GK110 is simply too high and it had been nearly a year since GK104 came out... Where do you think Nvidia was going to get the chips to refresh their top end product stack, GK104? This is Jen-Hsun Huang we're talking about here, he probably hated GK104 as x80 even if it competed that isn't what he's about.

The GTX 680 was an underwhelming flagship, it competed against AMD's flagship card watt for watt and was well below 200w while being noticeably faster than the last gen 240w flagship. Nvidia could have called it the GTX 660 Ti and sold it for $500, or $250, or something else, who knows... The only thing we know for sure is they were competitive with their mid-range gpu in the flagship slot and gained market share with it.

I'd really like to see your evidence that Nvidia insinuated that Titan would be the only GK110 gpu on the market before going to 20nm.
OMG, there's also a factory overclocked Titan on the the second chart which performs exactly the same as 780SC while being two times more expensive.
 
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Lepton87

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You understand how boost 2.0 works, how designs like the EVGA dual fan suck in SLI, and how Titan was meant for SLI?

There's lots of mobos that have enough clearance between slots that dual fan cards is not a problem. For example my board. Non-blower cards become problematic only with 3 card installed, but there are mobos that don't have that problem even with 3 cards. Of course NV didn't out-right say that Titan is going to be the only consumer GK110 card, but even the name suggests it.
Titan should've been handled just like Intel handles their Extreme Edition CPUs, their either launch simultaneously with their regular CPUs or everybody knows that such CPUs will be released soon. Obviously people were not so sure that would be the case with Titan, just compare how many people have Extreme Edition CPUs on this forum and how many have Titans.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Right, because Nvidia always releases their low end prior to their high end cards............

You made a mistake, instead of trying to assign blame somewhere else, perhaps you should use this as an opportunity to better yourself.

Making baseless assumptions where you ended up being wrong is your problem, not Nvidia's. They follow pretty much the exact same release cadence every generation.

Guess what's next? GTX 770? No way!
 
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JayManB

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Right, because Nvidia always releases their low end prior to their high end cards............

You made a mistake, instead of trying to assign blame somewhere else, perhaps you should use this as an opportunity to better yourself.

Making baseless assumptions where you ended up being wrong is your problem, not Nvidia's. They follow pretty much the exact same release cadence every generation.

Guess what's next? GTX 770? No way!

I dont know why you are being such a jerk about it. Lepton is right.

Quit trying to act like you knew the 780 was gonna come out in June and be within single digits of the Titan. I read every piece of information on the internet leading up to and immediately following the release and then waited a week to order. If there would have even been a hint the 780 was coming out I wouldnt have bought the Titan. All anybody online was talking about was complaining about the price.

NV should have at least released the specs of the 780 and let the consumer decide if they wanted to pay extra for the ram and to have the card a few months early. Leptons example of how Intel handles these things is spot on.

I think what would be telling is if NV had an exchange program your like new Titan for a 780 and a check for 350 dollars. I would be willing to bet that about 75% of Titan owners would jump all over it.

At the end of the day I got what I paid for and it was my decision to hit the add to cart button. Lepton has already pretty much said this same thing 3 or 4 times.

How people on this site can attack other hardware enthusiasts and stick up for NV in this matter is really hillarious.
 

Keysplayr

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I dont know why you are being such a jerk about it. Lepton is right.

Quit trying to act like you knew the 780 was gonna come out in June and be within single digits of the Titan. I read every piece of information on the internet leading up to and immediately following the release and then waited a week to order. If there would have even been a hint the 780 was coming out I wouldnt have bought the Titan. All anybody online was talking about was complaining about the price.

NV should have at least released the specs of the 780 and let the consumer decide if they wanted to pay extra for the ram and to have the card a few months early. Leptons example of how Intel handles these things is spot on.

I think what would be telling is if NV had an exchange program your like new Titan for a 780 and a check for 350 dollars. I would be willing to bet that about 75% of Titan owners would jump all over it.

At the end of the day I got what I paid for and it was my decision to hit the add to cart button. Lepton has already pretty much said this same thing 3 or 4 times.

How people on this site can attack other hardware enthusiasts and stick up for NV in this matter is really hillarious.

And some find your arguments and that of those you defend on an equal level of hilarity with a touch of pathetic peppered on top. Agree to disagree then?
 

MrX8503

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Why did anyone think $1k was worth it for a single GPU? Buyers remorse was inevitable.
 

willomz

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I dont know why you are being such a jerk about it. Lepton is right.

Quit trying to act like you knew the 780 was gonna come out in June and be within single digits of the Titan. I read every piece of information on the internet leading up to and immediately following the release and then waited a week to order. If there would have even been a hint the 780 was coming out I wouldnt have bought the Titan. All anybody online was talking about was complaining about the price.

Thing is that Lepton waited a lot longer than you did, he only bought it a month ago. At that stage rumours of the 780 were getting pretty solid for anyone with an eye on tech news.
 

Grooveriding

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Titan was rape, we all knew it was rape the day it released for $1000. Nvidia sat back knowing enthusiasts were salivating for GK110 in geforce and released it for $1000 to pick up massive profits from those who wanted it and could afford it. A few months later they drop the 780 for a price that many who couldn't buy Titan and were also salivating for GK110 would of normally scoffed at, but ended up seeing it as amazing in the light of Titan and now feeling like they could manage the lower GK110 price point. Consumer psychological manipulation at its best. They played up fluff like a .10cent LED and $1 in aluminium as 'premium product' only to put the same fluff on the 780.. lol.

Played us like a fiddle, but not seeing Titan was rape was impossible with the $1000 price tag. If you paid it you were aware you were not getting your money's worth and buying it because it was the only option in town and that was its price.

Feels like a one-off move to me, while some will buy another $1000 single GPU if it happens again, there will also be many who bought Titan that won't do it again because of how Titan and 780 has played out. The way they played this will cause there to be less sales than there were of Titan when/if there is another single GPU card at the $1000 price.
 

BallaTheFeared

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I dont know why you are being such a jerk about it. Lepton is right.

In your opinion.

Quit trying to act like you knew the 780 was gonna come out in June and be within single digits of the Titan. I read every piece of information on the internet leading up to and immediately following the release and then waited a week to order. If there would have even been a hint the 780 was coming out I wouldnt have bought the Titan. All anybody online was talking about was complaining about the price.

It's double digits outside of aftermarket, overclocked versions.

You mean like the 7950 being within 7% of the 7970 clock for clock, and easily exceeding the 7970, even GHz with an overclock? You know, what happens every single generation? Slightly cut card, lower clocks, overclocks to be faster than higher priced, higher end stock card? This is news to you and one other person it would seem.

The fact that Nvidia was moving to refresh and they pretty much needed to use GK110 since there was nothing disabled in GK104 was your hint.

NV should have at least released the specs of the 780 and let the consumer decide if they wanted to pay extra for the ram and to have the card a few months early. Leptons example of how Intel handles these things is spot on.

At what time has Nvidia ever released information on unreleased products? Have they released anything on the GTX 770? How is it that most people know it's coming? Think.

Intel can do what they want, Neither AMD nor Nvidia have to do anything because Intel does it a certain way. Intel isn't even releasing High End before Mainstream anymore, heck we're getting Haswell before Ivy Bridge E.......:whiste:

I think what would be telling is if NV had an exchange program your like new Titan for a 780 and a check for 350 dollars. I would be willing to bet that about 75% of Titan owners would jump all over it.

I think we should fantasize about realistic things.

At the end of the day I got what I paid for and it was my decision to hit the add to cart button. Lepton has already pretty much said this same thing 3 or 4 times.

That's great.

How people on this site can attack other hardware enthusiasts and stick up for NV in this matter is really hillarious.

How you can come to the conclusion that people are attacking and defending is beyond me. All I see is people stating their opinion and why.
 

Lonbjerg

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Why did anyone think $1k was worth it for a single GPU? Buyers remorse was inevitable.

No buyers remorse here, sorry.
But then agin, I knew what I was buying, what it cost, what I would do with it...and what was around the corner.
 

ArchAngel777

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How do you feel about your purchase in the light of incoming GTX780? If it's going to land at 599-650$, I will be pretty angry for basically wasting 300$ because I feel Titian only warrants a 100$ price premium over GTX780 because GTX780 is only slightly more cut-down and it's going to be 10% slower at most. If it indeed lands at 599$-650$ or even 700$ I'm never going to buy a single GPU that costs over 500$.

I didn't buy one, but I would not have been upset. The people who bought Titan, were able to enjoy the fastest (still, the fastest, by the way) single GPU for 3 months! Additionally, it is still the fastest single GPU.

If anything, I am more disappointed that something faster than Titan hasn't come out. But, that just isn't realistic these days. Can't wait for both AMD and NVidia to introduce the next set of flagships.
 
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$1000 for the second slowest card available? No thanks.

Overclocking cards doesn't count as I've heard here.
Out of the box the aftermarket 780's are the fastest cards available.
 

Lonbjerg

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$1000 for 1/3 DP...that also has the added sideeffect of being the fastest single GPU in the world....seems like a bargain to me over the K20X's +$3000 pricetag...and how does that card game again? ^^
 

2is

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This message is hidden because Lonbjerg is on your ignore list.

Funny how I don't even have to read it to know what he wrote. I blame everyone and other BS, even though in the OP I said the blame is on me, I knew how NV acts very well and I should have known better, but I can still criticize how they handled this generation. If you can't understand written English maybe you should write on a forum in your native language? Mid-range card selling as a high-end, releasing a high-end card and suggesting that it may be the only consumer GK110 card to be ever released, then 2 months later releasing a card that performs the same for 60% of its price. Now if they released a full GK110 with 2880 shaders for 750$ I have no doubt that people would still condone their release cadence. They didn't name Titan a GTX785 because it would be clear that a lesser GK110 card is coming, so they created an illusion that this card is something special. They used people's desire to get a true next-generation performance in a single card because GTX680 was such an underwhelming card. 8 pages and only a few people actually answered the question I asked.

You're responding to a member you ignored. If there was ever any evidence you're an impulsive person and make bad decisions on your own accord, this is it.

You make a post in a public forum to criticize for your own mistake, others are free to criticize you. You aren't the victim, you're the sucker.
 

BallaTheFeared

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IDC posted this in the CPU section for another issue someone was having, however I believe it applies here perfectly as well.

People getting screwed over for buying something that in the end turned out to be an unwise decision is as old as commerce itself.

That is why due diligence is required, unless one wishes to be a fool and be quickly parted from their money.
 

Remobz

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No buyers remorse here, sorry.
But then agin, I knew what I was buying, what it cost, what I would do with it...and what was around the corner.

I agree. I keep saying that is someone wants to waste money on something expensive then that is their choice and if it makes them happy then so be it.

OF course, for others we watch our pennies and try to get the best value for our dollars as much as possible.

In the end, if we both happy then who cares right?
 

Keysplayr

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You're responding to a member you ignored. If there was ever any evidence you're an impulsive person and make bad decisions on your own accord, this is it.

You make a post in a public forum to criticize for your own mistake, others are free to criticize you. You aren't the victim, you're the sucker.

Took the words out of my fingers. Thinking exactly the same thing. I think he bought the Titan on pure impulse and he knew full well about 780 rumors when he did it. He Is one of the more active participants in this forum. How could he not have known. Like i said, rage feign.
 

aigomorla

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I find it really funny how the nvidia guys are all strumming there drums claiming victory at such a large price gap for performance.

I also find it extremely funny the ATi people are living a river of denial / trying to defend there product to compete against a video card which is about 33-40% more expensive.

In honesty i think both cards are excellent at the budget assigned when picking the cards, and truely when one should start fighting each other is not in gaming performance, but in bitcoining mining as one card will net u more bitcoins.

But u guys fighting over game performance on 2 videocards not even simularly priced...

*sigh*

i feel bad for the mods who have to clean this thread up.
 

aigomorla

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No way Aigo. I know these cards are uber pricey and I'm not really happy about it.

yeah neither am i.
I really cant see myself getting a 1000 dollar video card... or even a 650 dollar one.
I was hoping for a sweet spot of arround 500... possibly even 550... but 1000 to 650... (sigh)
Do people realize the type of recession were expecting to enter in the following years?

I was really hoping to upgrade.
However looking at how my tri sli is holding up to today's games... i think i might be able to extend my upgrade to the refreshes.
 
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SirPauly

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And Titan will be the only card with 6GB.

That's what I did hear and have mixed feelings. Understand that nVidia desires to keep the 6 gigs for Titan differentiation and its added default performance but it's kinda odd seeing double the ram offerings for lower class sku's and yet to desire a 6 gig 780 -- one is forced to buy Titan.
 
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